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- LANjackal, on 07/16/2009, -1/+699Or maybe the web should move on without IE6 in mind. Corporate IT depts won't upgrade without a huge reason to. And a big reason would be "hey, nothing loads in it any more".
- chadell, on 07/16/2009, -10/+394IT depts relying on IE6 only are useless
- PHLAK, on 07/16/2009, -40/+345Why stop at IE6? Let's go all the way and just say "IE must die for the web to move on".
Open standards for life!!! - jackpot51, on 07/17/2009, -2/+211Anyone relying on IE6 is useless
- Jdshald, on 07/17/2009, -9/+196***** IE6. (Someone had to say it.)
- Phych, on 07/17/2009, -6/+188KILL IT WITH FIRE....fox
- indyGuy, on 07/17/2009, -3/+160Once Youtube doesn't work, all kinds of employees (including executives and IT staff) are going to pich a royal fit... youtube could almost solely kill ie6...
- trs21219, on 07/17/2009, -3/+146As a web developer, i charge an extra 25% - 50% for total compatibility with IE6. i will make it look half decent if i feel like it but if you want it perfect you have to give me extra money for alcohol and for the things i break in my office due to the ***** that is IE... :)
- iPwnN00bs, on 07/16/2009, -2/+135It's so dumb that companies sit on IE 6. Even fully patched it's less secure then IE 8 or FF. Look at the last Active X security vuln. Wide open ax wound between IE 6's legs for people using XP and server 03 even if they were fully patched. Come on people upgrade your *****.
- orlandogeek, on 07/16/2009, -8/+139Still using IE6 is caused by 1 of 2 things: Ignorance (end-users), laziness (IT staff) and nothing more. I agree with N00bs, stop hobbling your site by using the IE6 workarounds. Let the page be broken in IE6 or just give them a redirect page.
- peterjmag, on 07/17/2009, -11/+106***** you guys, save IE6! http://www.saveie6.com/
On a more serious note, I truly wish I could I could completely ignore IE6 when I'm building sites, but doing so would make my company look incompetent and our clients look unprofessional. Most IE6 users have no idea that it's actually their browser that's breaking some of the sites they visit, so it would leave them with a poor impression of our clients. We can't afford that.
In the meantime, any site that I build on my own time will NOT cater to IE6. I don't need to bother. - mrsteveman1, on 07/17/2009, -1/+81Everyone is useless until proven otherwise.
- JasonCox, on 07/17/2009, -0/+74I love how the top comments are bitching at the corporate IT departments like they want to keep IE6 around; here's a clue guys, IT guys are (for the most part) techies just like us, they use Firefox or IE7+, the problem here is not that the IT department wants to keep users running on IE6, it's that they can't get the managers and VP's in the company to increase their budget so they can upgrade that 10 year old Intranet website that the business relies on, plus all those LOB applications, the VP who signs off on IT's budget is going to look at the existing application and say "Well it works just fine as it is right now, why should I spend $50,000 across the company to upgrade this?", you're going to reply back "Well it doesn't work in IE7, IE8 or Firefox" and he's going to look at you and say "So I can save us $50 grand if you don't upgrade from IE6?".
This isn't as cut and dry as it appears. I used to work at a nationwide commercial transportation insurance company and some departments, while running Windows XP, were still running software that was designed for Windows 3.1 because management refused to shell out the cash required to upgrade because the current "worked fine". - Qumahlin, on 07/17/2009, -2/+61You don't understand, these companies want to upgrade for the most part but they can't due to the vendors they are locked in with having apps that only work in IE6. The company does not have money to break their contract and switch vendors, and the vendor doesn't have enough money to invest in updating all of their IE6 specific apps.
Now as an IT Admin try explaining to your boss that it will cost you in excess of 50k to switch to a new vendor, and in excess of 100k to just rebuild the tools internally. Unless you can come up with a way to justify the huge costs aside from "well we won't be tied to IE6 for xxx" it ain't happening.
For those that think the above scenario is an exaggeration...you haven't worked in the IT field very long, or in a IT position in a niche industry - bnsweb, on 07/17/2009, -10/+68The article mentions that IT departments upgrading IE6 is too much of a hassle. Sounds like pure laziness to me. I thought that IT departments were supposed to deal with these exact kind of hassles. What's more of a hassle? Upgrading a seriously outdated, horrible excuse for a browser or having to rid your network of a virus, trojan or worm caused by that outdated, horrible excuse for a browser?
- whoismarlo, on 07/16/2009, -9/+51YES!!!! FINALLY SOMEONE HAS REALIZED THE NEED.
- yocouchdigga, on 07/17/2009, -1/+43Don't feed it.
- LesPaul75, on 07/17/2009, -4/+46IE6, IE7, and IE8 combined are steadily losing share to Firefox and Chrome. IE6 is the oldest of the three and is used by < 15% of all users according to W3C (or < 13% according to Wikipedia). I wouldn't say that IE6 "needs to die," I would say that it's already dead. If you're a web developer, just detect IE6 and display a "please upgrade" message, just like Facebook does. Or just let the page display incorrectly. That 13% will just upgrade that much faster when the pages they view are broken.
- takamalak, on 07/17/2009, -2/+42Most new sites we do are like this:
<style>
#if_ie6 { display: none; }
</style>
<!--[if lte IE 6]>
<style>
#if_not_ie6 { display: none; }
#if_ie6 { display: normal; }
</style>
<![endif]-->
<body>
<div id="if_not_ie6">
your content
</div>
<div id="if_ie6">
your browser sucks. here's a link to update to IE8 or Firefox.
</div>
</body> - FiveDollarYoBet, on 07/17/2009, -1/+40Or just stuck running a bunch of windows 2000 rigs :-(
- t0ny, on 07/17/2009, -1/+40Or stuck with custom built webapps that only support IE6.
- redtapemedia, on 07/17/2009, -3/+40If IE6 dies I want to resurrect it so I can kill it again
I hope IE6 rots in hell... damn you IT department, get rid of it! - Qumahlin, on 07/17/2009, -1/+37IT's not about upgrading the browser, it about upgrading the apps that won't work in ANYTHING but IE6
People fail to understand that when IE6 was released companies rushed to put tons of money into developing fancy web apps using various methods that were later considered insecure or just not optimal so they were removed in the following versions of IE. So unless said company has a ton of money laying around to re-write all of their apps the customers using them are forced to stick with IE6 for their business use.
The real issue is that most businesses don't allow the end user to install software, so they are forced to use IE6 for their normal browsing as well when they would gladly use firefox.
I actually run IE6 in a VM at work specifically because I need it to interface with one of our vendors and do everything else in Firefox. Most at a business aren't lucky enough to have that luxury. - sickthoughts, on 07/17/2009, -1/+34firefox and chrome work on win2k sp4 if i remember correctly
- snupples, on 07/17/2009, -3/+36IE8 is not even close to compliant.
- WafflesID, on 07/17/2009, -0/+33Uh...
NO.
Bad geek. BAD geek.
Take one for the team. There is no excuse for wanting IE6 compatible sites. - indyGuy, on 07/17/2009, -6/+38I get 60k page views a day on my homepage. 30% are IE6 users. I'm not giving up 30% of my audience. They'll go somewhere else if my site doesn't work for them.
Just sayin. - regulan, on 07/17/2009, -2/+34You should really know something about your IT department before you berate them. ***** I really hate people that think they know more about IT because they "play" with computers at home.
Here's one example why we didn't upgrade to IE7 until this year.
Take Cisco call manager 4.x, You can only maintain your call system through IE6, IE7 breaks everything. This includes everything from system administration to the end user options that run with the phones. CM 4 is still widely in use. CM upgrade aren't cheep either, most places need to call in a consultant due to complexity of integration with various apps such as Unity, exchange, AD or legacy IPCC. I run a IT department with a 500 user base. We have 4 people on the Infrastructure group and guess what I don't have enough resource to have a full time phone guy. We had to bring in a consultant that only ran upgrade to bring our phone system up to CM6, and that take about two weeks and when your talking a standard billing rate of $175 per hour it turns into a 20k adventure rather quick.
This is one example of why us IT types remain on an old software version, IT COSTS A METRIC ***** TON OF MONEY TO UPGRADE! - WorldGroove, on 07/17/2009, -1/+32Agreed....
Way too much dev & QA time is spent supporting multiple IE versions, FF & Safari. And IE6 is the most problematic. Just do javascript appversion detection and put up a huge banner saying "Get out of the stone age!" I've seen cool features get axed from projects because it just couldn't work in IE6. Seriously, either 2009 or 2010, the majority of webdev-shops should just stop acknowledging IE6 exists. Screw whoever can't get off IE6 by now. If corps have some outdated internal webapp that needs IE6, then they can install FF for the rest of the modern world and only bring up IE6 for their legacy webapps. - mrpunman, on 07/17/2009, -2/+33Sadly, companies like HP and IBM will still use IE6 because CRM Siebel can't run on other browser
I have to use IE6 on a daily basis :( - rednaxela825, on 07/17/2009, -0/+30It's not going to just die. It must be killed. Just stop support for it and people will be forced to upgrade whether they like it or not.
- milkmage, on 07/17/2009, -1/+31don't pay attention to mrfoos.. he's from marketing.
- blackinthmiddle, on 07/17/2009, -1/+28For sure, it'll have to be because big name sites don't work anymore in IE6. My friend has a site that gets over 600K hits a month but says he wouldn't dare drop support for IE6 because about 15% of his traffic is still with that browser. He's trying to grow his site and can't afford to be dictating to his users what they should and should not use.
- killdashnine, on 07/17/2009, -6/+30And IE7, IE8, ...
- darkciti2, on 07/17/2009, -4/+28We need to have an organized "kill IE6 day", where all Web Developers force IE6 lusers to a redirect page, or add a server side delay before rendering their pages (along with a friendly message about their broken browser).
It's only in a monumental concerted effort like this that we can bring attention to this. The masses will remain clueless, unless a cataclysmic event forces them to change. People seek the path of least resistance. Putting up an IE6 wall for a day, might just cause them to change paths. - iPwnN00bs, on 07/17/2009, -2/+26ROFL
"You have been mislead by a vocal minority and are using firefox, which is clearly an inferior web browser to IE6. Please switch to IE6 and sign our petition."
That made my day I still LOLZING - Chewie67, on 07/17/2009, -1/+24Hey, if you want to use an antiqued browser for your internal apps, go for it. Use whatever works for you.
When you surf outside of your Intranet, however, don't expect anything to work. The web is evolving, with or without you.
Keep up, or fall behind. The rest of the world wants Standards Compliance and Security that IE6 doesn't have. - Spyder2k, on 07/17/2009, -11/+34I'm sure the majority of corporate networks have Youtube blocked
- ptFoe, on 07/17/2009, -1/+24not really it fails like it's predecessor in many features
like body onresize, which is triggered numerously - jeffkee, on 07/17/2009, -1/+23Eh not necessarily.. many companies found that forceful restriction against sites actually just increases stress, so they just let it be, so they can self-monitor.. depends on the corporate atmosphere though.
I can remember this one job I had back in the days - if Facebook was popular and up at the time, nobody would have given a ***** about self-control. - shrewduser, on 07/17/2009, -5/+26IE8 is the most standards complient IE ever released. that said it's still nowhere near up to par.
- Benno, on 07/17/2009, -1/+22http://digg.com/css/243/ie6.css
html { filter: expression(document.execCommand("BackgroundImageCache", false, true)); }
It's almost as if Microsoft wanted to stagnate the web intentionally. - sfcaptainrob, on 07/17/2009, -2/+23Mostly because you have no ***** clue what you're doing.
- arandomgeek, on 07/17/2009, -6/+26I didn't realize how much of a problem IE is until I started learning html and css a couple months ago. Since then, it's quickly become the biggest pain in my ass, that is, besides this giant dildo...
- wilhoitm, on 07/17/2009, -0/+20Dude, its the standards not supported by IE, not the silly tabs!
- redrider7, on 07/17/2009, -0/+20Siebel is a bigger piece of ***** than IE6.
- Benno, on 07/17/2009, -1/+20No you just like being contrary.
- kaosethema, on 07/17/2009, -0/+19those still on IE6 will be left behind after the singularity
- phpchris, on 07/17/2009, -1/+20Finally? people have been saying this for years now.
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