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- DariusMonsef, on 10/11/2007, -6/+108From my post comments:
"I think competition is an absolutely important aspect of business, it keeps things improving and evolving... but there is a big difference between us and an old competition between Coke vs. Pepsi or Apple vs. Microsoft.
This is not two young start-ups competing in the same race... or two heavily backed Venture Capital goliaths going at eachother...
This is a guy with loans up against a company that had a dissapointing second quarter of 2006 with a net income of only $123.1 million." - extrasalty, on 10/11/2007, -10/+91I hope he gets a good lawyer and people digg the story- I'm sure he can settle out of court if the public creates some buzz. Great site that got ripped by big corporation.
- SpookyET, on 10/11/2007, -9/+54It's disgraceful Adobe. Pay the dude and fire the ***** development team that stole it.
- coolspray, on 10/11/2007, -4/+41I'm with you up to the part about using a 'U' in the spelling of colour. That seems to take it a bit far. In Britain, we spell colour with a 'U' anyway:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#-our_.2F_-or - thorgrim, on 10/11/2007, -11/+44Adobe ripped this and couldn't even do that right! Kuler should be renamed to Krap! I haven't seen a lot of innovation coming from Adobe, even Apollo seems to be lackluster.
- eponym, on 10/11/2007, -5/+28Why am I not surprised most diggers are condemning Adobe?
Here's the reality:
These aren't the only sites related to colour palette creation. Color Schemer is another that's been around since at least 2005. And, like Kuler, is imho better than colourlovers. It uses a gallery system but as an extension to a desktop palette creation app. One could argue Adobe ripped Color Schemer and not colourlovers.
And then there's the reality that there's absolutely nothing special about colourlovers. First, their UI sucks. It's low tech and simplistic (and you could argue colourlovers stole their gamut selection box from photoshop). Second, creating and saving colour palettes is nothing new. Hell, Adobe apps themselves have allowed saving/loading of colour palettes for years and years. And the gray interface? Puh-lease! Anybody remotely educated in colour theory knows that grays are the most suitable substrate for showing a colour. I'm actually shocked Color Schemer isn't in gray. And of course there's the inherent trendiness of gray web sites...
The only thing remotely original is the idea of a sharing system. And it's not even a very original idea. Admit it. You know it isn't. Especially in 2004. I've traded/shared Illustrator palettes lots of times prior to these systems.
Meanwhile Adobe is headed into a much more dynamic and interactive system. Kuler shares its UI system with the new Live Color that's in Illustrator and In Design. And there's export features to go between Kuler and the creative suite.
I'm not saying Adobe has invented the wheel here, or that they themselves have done something overly original. They just progressed colour interaction in the direction it needs to go. - dnos, on 10/11/2007, -11/+33This guy needs to grow up and realize the business world is a dog-eat-dog world.
His website is a VERY simple idea from a business standpoint and for another company (especially a company that has A LOT to do with colors) doing something similar isn't anything to cry about. Competition is good for the consumer.
It's funny too since the same fools on here talking about how the guy's idea should be protected are the same fools that cry foul when a big business gets a similar intellectual patent or something. - Napstaz, on 10/11/2007, -3/+24In Australia we spell it Colour not color
- marc2242, on 10/11/2007, -8/+28That sucks. Big business pushing the little guy around.
- streetstealth, on 10/11/2007, -3/+21I thought you guys were against software patents?
Look, I'd be bummed too if Adobe ripped off my idea for a tool. But what if it were the other way around, and some guy came up with a really good alternative to Photoshop (Gimp nonwithstanding)?
Ideas want to be free. Geminitojanus is being blunt about it up there, but it's true. It sucks when corporations take advantage of it, but it's the same freedom that should allow the little guy to compete with the big names. - lcarsdeveloper, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17I'm Australian and I spell it "color", but that's only because I've been doing HTML since I was 14 and I quickly learnt that "colour:#F00;" doesn't work :)
- Ordinathorreur, on 10/11/2007, -7/+22I think this is *****.
I've seen them take ColourLovers from zero to hero and I think it's great they are doing what they are. But Kuler is quite different and is only a natural progression if you look at Adobe's overall strategy. Plus I think they are taking it in quite a different direction.
I can understand the ColourLovers crew are a little dismayed to see such a big corporation move into a space they were in, but let's be honest now and acknowledge that they weren't the first to be doing this kind of thing. Instead of whining about Kuler all the time (believe me its starting to get real old) why not just suck it up and make ColourLovers the best colour sharing site. I think you'll probably agree it already is. - nendoke, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17I noticed that months ago Darius, First I thought that Adobe part powered by ColourLovers.
~Faribourz - fatdog789, on 10/22/2007, -3/+18Let me get this straight: it's totally okay to rip off music and movies for free, but heaven forbid that somebody copy a ***** idea?
If his idea was so unique and valuable, he should have gotten a patent. Oh wait...you can't patent an idea. That stifles innovation.
This site of his should be able to compete on the basis of quality. It's better than Adobe's whatever. But if he can't keep up the innovation, he should just shut the ***** up.
EVERYBODY COPIES IDEAS. That's how innovation works. Apple's most famous "innovations" were copied from other people; they just did it better than the original creators/inventors. - bIuebonics, on 10/22/2007, -6/+20so, how come nobody ever complained that digg is just ripping off other site's ideas? do any of you think anything on digg is actually original? users rating comments? that's laughable. how about we turn down the hypocrisy a little bit.
- miles01110, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16More like the big guy stealing the little guy's candy in front of the entire cafeteria and then denying it.
- steveoco, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11"Part of infringing on trademarks is creating confusion in the market place. Last year if somebody was to tell you about a color website they found that was gray colored and had a funny was of spelling Color with a “U” there was only one website they could have been talking about. COLOURlovers."
Ummm Colour is spelled funny with a U in many countries. Including mine. - Mikeropology, on 10/11/2007, -7/+17@jdowdell: But that's the point, isn't it? It's not whether the interface is HTML or AIR; it's the whole concept (a community of users creating and essentially "digging" color schemes up or down) -- that's what Adobe stole. The fact that Adobe took the greyscale interface as well is only secondary.
- Error601, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11That sounds like an obvious concept to me and therefore should not be patentable. If you want people to use your version, you've got to make it better.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Hey GREAT! YOU GOT YOUR WISH! Your comment was buried - as lame.
- richardiscool, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11Hang on... you can't copyright an idea - ideas for websites get ripped off all the time. You don't see anyone dissing Virb because they stole Myspace's idea?
- streetstealth, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11You might want to do a little research yourself before correcting others on that.
Copyright only applies to original works, and Adobe certainly didn't lift any actual parts of COLOURLovers for use in Kuler. Patents are (roughly speaking) for "the way things work," which would have been this guy's only hope of legal action against Adobe.
But seriously, software patents suck. And Geminitojanus is right; this guy should have just gone and tried to compete with Kuler. RSS, color wheels -- he's free to try any of this.
And if Adobe tried to sue him for patent infringement, then I think we'd all have a really good reason to be pissed at Adobe. - HanSolo69, on 10/11/2007, -6/+14I can't wait till mother nature fries this guy for totally ripping off the rainbow.
- Giga, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8You expect us to believe that you were about to buy CS3 Master Collection but decided against it purely after reading this blog? I sincerely doubt it. Also, what the heck is "Common, do the right thing" supposed to mean? "Common" does not equal "come on"
PS: Anyone else noticed that the captcha system has been having issues lately? It sometimes rejects correct captcha data and a refresh to get a new captcha image is necessary... - NerveBand, on 10/11/2007, -7/+15I actually don't see what the problem is. Can someone actually show me a similar interface? Sure that they have similar functionality but what doesn't? It's not like they have ads on their site or anything. Colourlovers.com may have started it and Adobe just brought out a better competing product. If the guy really wants to shine, why not design and create a better interface (because in my opinion, Adobe Kuler looks much more cleaner and sophisticated).
So was the guys idea stolen? Probably.
Did Adobe do a better job presenting it? Yes.
Is this guy just whining that a company stole his idea? Yes.
Did Adobe ever claim that they came up with the idea? (help me?)
All companies do is take ideas and improve them. I mean if it matters to you that much more, neither side is gaining any money, just popuplarity. Your really fighting over nothing.
Its like saying the iPod already came out and then the Zune ripped off the iPod cause it can play music and the iPod did it first (which obviously it didn't!).
Good artists copy, great artists steal.
EDIT: ***** you Digg and your ***** gay comment system. - magic6435, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11Home depot has been giving me color swatches of paint for years. Shame on colorlovers!!!
Colourlovers man up or shut up. You don't have sole rights to sharing color swatches same as Digg doesn't have sole rights to news.
LAME! - arjie, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Agreed, I was wondering what the whole business was there. Did the colourlovers.com owner put the 'u' there without knowing that 'colour' is the British spelling?
- vonnie, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9What is wrong with copying someone elses idea? Let's not be hypocritical, if you are against software patents, you cannot be against adobe copying a concept or idea. I don't give up on my anti-software-patent principle just because this time it is the idea of a little guy that is copied by a big guy.
Imagine ColourLovers came after the Adobe Labs implementation, and Adobe tried to sue the little guy. Would we be yelling "yeah, colourlovers are a bunch of bastards that rip of the ideas of adobe", or would we be yelling "down with software patents! Ideas should be free!". - benlindelof, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10You are 100% wrong.
You're whining about someone else noticing Adobe stole an idea? Haha.
No one is whining over at CL. The only whiners are here at Digg. It's hilarious. - cfpresley, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Any one else with a mastery of the English language think that Kuler sould be pronounced like ruler or cooler? Kuller would rhyme with colo(u)r though.
- bIuebonics, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8just like digg should be taken down and everyone fired for stealing this concept too... yea, welcome to the web.
- BigBadger, on 10/11/2007, -6/+12Sadly enough, when you look through a lot of the comments here, most people seem to be backing adobe. I guess fighting for the little guy only counts when it's not against a corporation they adore.
- bIuebonics, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6you don't hear all these diggers compaining how digg stole its whole concept from other sites as well. they just haven't been able to get up on their soapbox and bitch about a big company lately. just ignore the kids.
- Aristotle, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Did you read the post? He's not interested in using the legal system against them:
"I’m over it. I was upset and worried when I first saw Kuler launch, knowing that it would get emailed out to millions of Adobe subscribers… and considering I had just taken a hefty loan to rebuild and expand COLOURlovers. But since the relaunch of COLOURlovers we’ve been growing rapidly, adding tons of new features and planning the next great additions to the community. Kuler is a nice color tool… but, one thing they missed when they borrowed the recipe was the amazing community." - SuitCase874, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Sounds like an effective boycott you've got going there.
- WiseWeasel, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5And in the end, the users win out as both competitors are forced to outdo each other.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I'm impressed with the entire CS3 offering.
- ilgaz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Flash latest beta has FINALLY got 2d/3d acceleration on OS X. Its CPU usage is down to some comical levels. That is something macromedia refused to do for all these years. What did Adobe do to Flash? Make it better? Add functionality to de facto artistic tools like Photoshop?
- JoCliMe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5In reading the last paragraph, I sort of lost a sick feeling. This site is obviously more popular than the adobe one (at least for now) and that is what business is about (free or otherwise) just look at the world, people copy other's ideas all the time, changing them only slightly to make them better. If this site stays more popular than the adobe one, then maybe adobe would get interested...hey, maybe even want to buy him out?
- ThankTheCheese, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6yes me too.i especially took offense by the line "...and had a funny way of spelling Color with a “U” there was only one website they could have been talking about...".
Also, I went to http://kuler.adobe.com/ and couldn't see colour spelt with a U anywhere. is he referring to the "u" in "kuler"? if so, then he's quite insane. Maybe slashdot should sue digg for its use of "D" in its title? - Rekzai, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4We Canadians do too.
- BigBadger, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7I didn't even know about either site, but I'll make a point of joining up at colourlovers, now.
- bIuebonics, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5wow, you're going to boycott something you don't use anyways? ingenious!
- madpie, on 10/11/2007, -5/+9>>Adobe certainly didn't lift any actual parts of COLOURLovers for use in Kuler
Other than the entire idea, the name, the color arrangements and the website design. The only "actual part" that Adobe came up with itself was the idea to steal all the work from somebody else. - bIuebonics, on 10/11/2007, -5/+9and digg should be renamed disggusting for being a ripoff site as well...
- busta, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4It was quite weird that they use the same set of colours... to be honest I thought the U thing was kind of a joke until he kept mentioning it over and overa gain though
- AgamousChild, on 10/11/2007, -12/+16Buried as lame. Honestly, complaining about the web site colors?? the letter U????
- Neticule, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4@Exact0
blogger even said "im over it."
and he wasnt implying that he designed a way to mix colors, dont know where the hell you got that. noob. lol. - wayniethep00p, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I wouldn't say Adobe completely destroyed Flash and Dreamweaver. Flash CS3 has a much cleaner and intuitive interface that's homogeneous with the CS3 suite, it handles vector from Illustrator much better than before, and the features go on.. Little things can really add up to increase the productivity of web / graphic designers [especially they all work together in one suite].
- wedesoft, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5It always has been a problem for small startups that a big company can drive them out of business with their manpower. And this is happening on a daily basis. But the law should not inhibit competition and the exchange of ideas. Otherwise it would not be possible to run projects like kpdf (http://kpdf.kde.org/) which in return is inspired by Adobe. And by being open and nearer to the community one has a stronger position and more possibilities. This is just one example, why people should prefer GPL-software instead of proprietary one. Even some people at Adobe are considering this this (http://opensource.adobe.com/).
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