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- xXShadowstormXx, on 10/12/2007, -16/+203I'm going to buy an HD DVD player now.
- Nekko17, on 10/12/2007, -4/+169I'm going to do exactly what I was going to do before. Not get one.
- DiggingDeep, on 10/12/2007, -6/+117There's not much difference in buying one now than before the code was released.
Honestly, I can wait. Until a player reaches $100 and discs average $15, both HD-DVD and BluRay are too ridiculously expensive for the average consumer. I've always liked buying DVDs of good movies, and I'd hate to replace my entire collection every time a better format gets released.
If they had a trade-in incentive or something, I could see myself buying some titles today, but honestly, it'd be annoying to own the VHS, DVD, and HD-DVD/BluRay, not to mention the freakin iPod / AppleTV versions of the same movie. - DeskFlyer, on 10/12/2007, -12/+985T 0P P0 S7 1N GT HE FU CK IN GK EY AL RE AD YR ET AR DS
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+72Just a thought -- could this actually be the thing that puts HD-DVDs over the top of Blu-Ray? HD-DVD now has all of this publicity as being (illicitly) DRM-free, whereas Blu-Ray still lives in the shadow of Sony's rootkit problem.
- inkhead, on 10/12/2007, -17/+71Please stop posting the key, seriously it's just spam now. Stories are fine, but people who post the key in comments over and over, show us what a world run by 12 year olds are like.
- sofaKing812, on 10/12/2007, -24/+74I'm just glad that Digg is back to "normal", or at least as normal as it can be since the necessary events of yesterday.
- ArchieAndrews, on 10/12/2007, -1/+49It involves a series of genital mutilations and a very challenging harmonica solo.
- bluetytanium, on 10/12/2007, -1/+41I see what you did there.
- iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -4/+37The problem is, Digg is protected under the DCMA. They need to send Digg a letter for each infringment with URL), they only sent one or to. Digg only has to take those down. The burden is not up to Digg to seek and remove every variation, it's up to the plaintiff. They don't have a leg to stand on unless they send each and every url, and digg.com/*09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0*/* won't cut it.
- Gerz1219, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27Your question illustrates exactly why it was silly to shut down all those links for containing a hex number.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27Does your aunt want to adopt? Coz seriously, thats a pretty nice gift!!
- skyfire1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25He's a hex offender.
- loker269, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24I just want to say that there is no revoking the access key, if you read the Doom9 forums revoking this AACS key would mean killing 200,000+ Xbox 360 HD-DVD drives which pissing off 200,000+ customers would kill any chance HD-DVD has of winning the format war. (this is the way it was explained to me and seems logical...) So please everyone saying this publicity will cause AACS just to revoke the key they wont it is just not possible...
Basically arnezami's statement on the matter sums it up "They cannot revoke this hack." - NeilSkoglund, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23ill buy a hd player if they let me use the media on anything i like, untill then they can stay away.
- Cyberdactyl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24Yes indeed. While last night may not be earth shattering in the IT world for 2007, it will certainly be a footnote.
- tropican8, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18I hate to criticize ars, but they misunderstood arnezami. The "hack" isn't irrevocable. I know this is comment abuse, but people don't seem to realize that this processing key has already been revoked: http://digg.com/hardware/The_Number_Has_Been_Rendered_Useless_Does_Not_Work_On_Newer_Titles
What the Processing Key allows you to do is calculate the Volume Unique Keys for each movie. You combine it with a Volume ID key, unique to each film. The processing key is universal across all HD-DVDs of the same MKB version (time of release). There might be a way to make each film have it's own unique Processing Key as well. However, this would be really bad, since they are harder to retrieve than Volume IDs. The AACS LA has not expressed the desire to actually do this though. It could be too costly or too difficult.
The attack vector (if you can call it that) however cannot be broken. What arnezami did was read the keys directly from the memory of a player while it was decrypting a disk. Technically that isn't even cracking, and can't be protected against unless the industry starts requiring trusted computing models for all playback devices. - SambekZX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Can someone educate this noob on how one would go about using the number?
- MrFoof82, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14So would people who spread the code become Registered Hex Offenders?
- Shaman760, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14A classic example of the "Streisand Effect"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect - airwalkery2k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Diggindeep,
You are asking the film industry to do something nice for the consumer. Unfortunately, they don't explicitly say they are milking the customer again for that James Bond movie set. They prefer to sell it as releasing exciting new content "as you've never seen it before" and "just like you remember it from the theaters". - jsowder18, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Am I the only one that really doesn't know what to do with the key that I've copied and pasted into a notepad file???
- NoctemSaiyaku, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8If only America had the unity digg showed
- diggcensors, on 10/12/2007, -16/+24I'm not going to buy an HD DVD player, but I will, however, continue to use bit torrent.
- Juntistik, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Piracy and Porn will be a catalyst for whichever format, I read somewhere that sony is saying no to bluray porn.
And yes. people do want to watch porn in HD - supersaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7It was great to see diggers unite to fight for their right to free speech, wish more protests like these happened in real life.
- niner9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Perhaps this crack is what is going to win the war between HD DVD and bluray.
More people will buy HD DVD because of the crack.
Maybe it was planned? - trogdor282, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8That's a different key. The key the diggstorm was about is actually no longer used.
Seriously, there's like 800 different kinds of keys involved. The diggstorm was a political statement, not the end of DRM. - rhyss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Oh yeah, that was fun yesterday.
Stick it to the man with these bumper stickers:
http://www.09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0.US - javaroast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Ha ha ha ha ha. I remember when the same comment was made about DVD's. Look what happened with that. Anyway you win the those who forget history award of the day
- SwellGuy007, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8You must first build a complicated system of ropes and ponies ...
- KibibyteBrain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7There was already going back sadly, as this key has been revoked. So we can enjoy all the current titles, but probably no more.
- GotMex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@Tropican8
There's another hack that arnezani found using the Xbox's HD-DVD drive. That's the one that is irrevocable. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070415-aacs-cracks-cannot-be-revoked-says-hacker.html He uses a patched drive to get the Volume Keys needed to decrypt the videos, thus there is no need for a Device Key anymore which can be revoked as you pointed out.
MPAA, AACS, HD-DVD, Blu-Ray... whoever is in charge here needs to just suck it up, realize that their encryption efforts have done nothing but waste millions of dollars, and start reading the market to understand that consumers don't want DRM. Period. - pixelbender, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"people...show us what a world run by 12 year olds are like."
You must be new here. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6HD DVD is a standard that can't be changed to add stronger DRM, not at least if the MPAA and their members don't want to break every HD player already out there!
- O9f911O29d74e35, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Does anybody understand if the key can be changed for upcoming HD-DVD's without requiring everyone to buy new players? Or, is the point of this whole fiasco that HD-DVD's will never again have undefeatable DRM?
- undyboy91, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yes, and according to the article,
"...the existence of HD DVD cracks out of the pubic eye has backfired in a truly spectacular manner."
______________________________________^^^^^^ - Xorp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This whole thing is stupid... You don't even need the key anymore, you just use AnyDVD and it removes any copy protection with it's own algorithm . Been out for months...
- manitoba98xp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Erm...that's pretty old. It's been that way since Ars Technica's redesign.
- arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6In soviet russia, information ***** you!
...oh wait... - vhold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I own a PS3 ( Figured I'd buy it some time, so figured why not ) and I have to agree. The only thing I'm maybe remotely considering buying is the Planet Earth series on Blu-ray. Nothing else on Amazon's Blu-Ray bestsellers list looks even remotely worth owning.
- toppgun, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I own an HDDVD player for my xbox but I rarely use it. I got it as a gift from an aunt. TBH, I would have rather gotten a wii for the extra $50 than have the money wasted on it this early in the format war. The picture quality is good, but it doesnt really warrant the cost especially with the amount per a GB on a harddrive
- Caffeinate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think it's great that people can finally know that their software/PCs have been messed up for years because of invasive copy/content protection. Maybe they will start looking at the real culprits - the companies trying to sneak this kind of crap into things we buy.
The only reason Starforce went away, and Sony took responsible for their rootkit was because the secrecy surrounding them got dispelled. So yes, I think it does need to be said. The AACS, RIAA and MPAA certainly aren't going to tell you about these things, and neither are the cp vendors. Software security providers only succeed through secrecy, and if they are reckless, a lot of damage can be done before the root cause is determined. - Caffeinate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Hacking an XBOX 360 drive + it's USB port, decrypting the HD-DVDs, and taunting those seeking to abuse the DMCA is much more interesting than watching and/or listening to 95% of the crap they are trying to "protect". I submit "Date Movie", "The Wicker Man" and the latest Brittany Spears album as examples of the great entertainment treats that need to be "saved".
- grumpyrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@O9f911O29d74e35
I bet you are just worried about having to create a different digg username in the future. - acdcfanbill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2no one would make keys unique to disks, that would be prohibitively expensive. They would most likely make them title unique, or maybe each batch unique.
- togasan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Firmware updates can probably replace that key. That will generate its own "sticky" problems. They can make it so that the drive will not play any new titles without updating the key. However, updating the key may stop the drive from playing the older titles...
- tropican8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I used the word "revoke" when I shouldn't have. The processing key found using the HD-DVD drive is the one I'm talking about. Not the device key. It's not being revoked, just not used on newer titles, so it won't work. Whatever key that is being used has yet to be discovered. I explained better in the comments of the story I linked to I think ;-) Hope that makes some sense to you.
- MrSunshine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"HD DVD cracks: there's no going back"
""The Number" Has Been Rendered Useless, Does Not Work On Newer Titles" - acdcfanbill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2ohh, that wicker man remake was rancid!
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