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- MCA2142, on 02/28/2008, -6/+84Yeah... How dare you create a format that is nothing like the rest and only works on your own platform!
How dare you Sony? I mean... How dare you Microsoft! - holyskeleton, on 02/28/2008, -4/+82should've just stuck with .txt
- ImTheManWhoRU, on 02/28/2008, -9/+58I got an ooxml document from my uncle today and I still do not know what it says....
Microsoft is stupid for going against everyone else so let them face the consequences - sundancekid503, on 02/28/2008, -4/+42My BFF says OOXML is SOL and a POS, but that's just IMHO FWIW
- nekochan, on 02/28/2008, -5/+42so many acronyms.
- 6minuteabs, on 02/28/2008, -7/+30Google is just watching out for Google.
- MCA2142, on 02/28/2008, -5/+27Exactly.
- Lewiji, on 02/28/2008, -2/+23...Or we could just use the already proposed open document format, which also uses XML but was designed to be used by all word processors, hence the proposed rejection of Microsoft's attempt to make a new one purely for its own profit?
- theaceoffire, on 02/28/2008, -1/+20Which format are you attacking?
- 6minuteabs, on 02/28/2008, -9/+26Google opposes something from Microsoft. In other news, water is wet.
- diggrim, on 02/28/2008, -2/+18I'm sure OOXML has many features.
Here's one: type =WEEKDAY("1/1/1900") into Excel. What do you get? It returns 1, meaning Sunday. Now look at any reputable calendar created since Pope Gregory XIII. What day of the week was January 1st, 1900? The correct answer is Monday. So yes, Excel has a bug, and yes Microsoft has pushed to include this bug in an International Standard. ( source http://www.noooxml.org/1900 ) - argylesocks, on 02/28/2008, -16/+32Google is just watching out for consumers. They know If you want to run Google docs on your Gphone or Lotus Symphony is what your company uses on the desktop, you wont ever be able to use OOXML properly. Why would Microsoft let any of their large market share go by making their suite compatible? They wont. And this is why we need to be intelligent and say: We wont take it anymore. We are the consumers and we will not pay for the privilege of making crippled locked-in documents. Until now people only made documents on MS Office... this is no longer true. Most of us who use cellphones, UMPCs or PDA's will be using an alternative word processor the next time we buy a new device.
- expatcatalyst, on 02/28/2008, -7/+20ODF rocks, no matter what MS says. Works with and better than office.
- bherring, on 02/28/2008, -4/+15Screw all those crazy formats! ATASCII all the way!
- theaceoffire, on 02/28/2008, -0/+10OOXML can't be implemented by anyone. Even the version used in office is no longer the same as the version that MS is trying to get passed.
- ooshlahe, on 02/28/2008, -16/+26of course it has flaws it is made by microsoft no need to read any farther... please vote against it
- ElBeh, on 02/28/2008, -5/+14idk, my bff jill?
- future15tbd, on 02/28/2008, -2/+11The orignal post at the Google site is here:
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/renewed-wis ... - hueyha, on 02/28/2008, -0/+9No, he's not talking about Blu-Ray. Sony's actually relatively famous for making formats (including hardware connections) that only fit their products. I think their digital cameras use/d some obscure memory format...
- GothAlice, on 02/28/2008, -0/+9Stupid slashes not working... *pouts*
- Karai, on 02/28/2008, -0/+8I lol'd. Why are you being dug down?
- HonoredMule, on 02/28/2008, -0/+8I especially love how ODF's shortcoming is that it lacks capability to support MS's legacy document formats. What exactly are they saying...that they can't make their software save to a legacy .doc format if it can save to .odf? They should hire me as their very expensive consultant so I can teach them how to program...or at least rip off Open Office which already does just that quite expertly. Now I can really see how Open Office's reduced functionality really hurts productivity and document quality.
- Tippis, on 02/28/2008, -1/+9It's not even a windows-only format – there is *no software*, on windows or other OSes, that properly supports the spec.
- Aharoni, on 02/28/2008, -0/+8Ahh... the Memory Stick... what an overpriced piece of @*#&...
- inactive, on 02/28/2008, -5/+12Against OOXML!
- Tippis, on 02/28/2008, -1/+8Ehmmm.... A file format works better than software? How does that work?
- GothAlice, on 02/28/2008, -1/+7documentclass{article}
title{Down with Microsoft!}
author{Alice McGregor}
date{September 1994}
begin{document}
maketitle
Hell yeah!
end{document} - drowningfish, on 02/28/2008, -0/+6eh? Files with the .docx extension are OOXML files.
- Tenoq, on 02/28/2008, -1/+7Err, they're the same thing.
- luchid, on 02/28/2008, -1/+7Yes, OOXML is NOT open. It contains specs for propietary binary bkobs. It is also severely flawed.
- GMorgan, on 02/28/2008, -0/+6Yes but in a sane capitalist system the population doesn't simply shut up and take it up the ass. Nor do their competitors. This is capitalism at work, people are telling MS behave or we'll go elsewhere.
- Tippis, on 02/28/2008, -1/+6No it can't, since it contains a metric ton of attributes that aren't defined.
Not even Office 2k7 properly implements OOXML as written in the ISO proposal – it's quite easy to create a document that follows the spec to the letter, but which gets rejected by Office. - LordBoreal51, on 02/28/2008, -0/+5You realize docx uses OOXML right...
Just checking - glinsvad, on 02/28/2008, -1/+6LaTeX + GnuPlot + Inkscape + OpenOffice.org Draw + Python + C/Cpp + Sed = All you'll ever need for research (well that and gedit)
- trenchfever, on 02/28/2008, -0/+5absolutely. these should be taught to every child.
- holloway, on 02/28/2008, -0/+5OOXML is the base file but DOCX means "OOXML + Microsoft Extensions". In the OOXML specification within Part 5 it allows extensions in this way.
So they're not quite the same thing.
Extensions in themselves aren't bad things (ODF allows for extensions in section 1.5) however each extension should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis to see whether it should be included in basic OOXML. - cherwilco, on 02/28/2008, -2/+7Language interpretation:
your doing it wrong - shotgunefx, on 02/28/2008, -2/+6OOXML is *****.
Yes Google has their own agenda, but the agenda is better for users. Google makes money by data mining and serving ads, everything else is just an end to this means.
Microsoft is a product oriented company. It's in their best interests to lock you in tight, make their products proprietary, locking you and your data in. The goal being, making it costly, if not impossible to divest yourself of their products. - ConceptJunkie, on 02/28/2008, -3/+7Don't be fooled. Microsoft is trying to _look_ like they are opening up, but they will never allow other companies to compete with them on a level playing-field. Remember, they are not a software company any more, they are a monopoly company. Their primary business is maintaining their monopoly, software is just a means.
- bllambert, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3I honestly own a pair of sony headphones that only work in one Sony Network Walkman. The headphone jack is proprietary. In its defense. They are the best headphones I have ever owned, and they are noise canceling earbuds (powered by the player and not a separate battery.) but COME ON. Proprietary headphone jacks?? The only reason I supported the player was it was really really cheap.
- GMorgan, on 02/28/2008, -2/+5Not at all true. We are going to see a rise in smart phones and specialist computers like the Eee. MSO does not run on all these things.
The old era is gone, computing has changed and will change more. Office will still be around but it will have to use a format that can be compatible with these systems in both directions and OOXML isn't it. - EricMiIIer, on 07/10/2009, -0/+3"This is weird, there isn't a single douche bag on a laptop in here, I cant handle this..."
- inactive, on 02/28/2008, -2/+5Because not everything can be done in HTML, trust me. And even if that was worked around Microsoft is ***** up by not fixing their browsers shortcomings. Once Microsoft properly implements CSS2, then we'll consider this.
- luchid, on 02/28/2008, -1/+4How?
- SpeedSteamBoat, on 02/28/2008, -1/+4I don't understand why your are being dug down. You seemed to outline the key points against OOXML pretty well.
It's a superfluous format with an aim to destabilize open source software that is cutting into Office profits. It's an attempt to reestablish control of a market MS sees as potentially threatening to slip away from them. - Stonekeeper, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3yes. that's what i said.
- ZippyV, on 02/28/2008, -2/+5The bug originated from Lotus 1-2-3, and was implemented in Excel for the purpose of backward compatibility. Tell me, how many people are affected by this bug?
It's not the first time errors are included in a standard: the HTTP standard includes the wrongly spelled "refererer". - Billaeon, on 02/28/2008, -6/+9Man, does anyone actually do research anymore before jumping to asinine conclusions? If you Google: 'office 2007 converter' the first result is a *free* utility *built* by the same evil company forcing you to upgrade. /s
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?Fa ... - Sammi84, on 02/28/2008, -3/+6You most certainly did NOT get a OOXML file, as OOXML does not exist in any practical implementation, at least not the way it's defined in the ISO submission.
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