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- chad3405, on 10/12/2007, -7/+31There is no way that any reputable business is going to trust an online word processor or spreadsheet with their confidential information.
- stillrobbo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26That has all the makings of a comment we'll look back and laugh at in 5 years time....
- minimaximus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19DIgg: How to convert wishful thinking into a frontpage story...
- digitalsin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Word and Excel 2007 blows away anything web based.
- Briankb68, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@gvibe06
Actually Google's servers went down last year due to a DNS attack. - saralk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Web applications will always stay a novelty IMO.
They are too reliant on other factors, if Google's servers (god forbid) goes down, your internet goes down, your find youself without an internet connection (i.e. at an airport), or the telecoms get their way and throw Google onto a dirt track internet, slowing down your connection to google, then you are stuck. You could get to a point where you are being forced to pay some ridiculous amount at Starbucks just to get on the internet and edit a document.
Also web applications aren't as responsive as computer apps, this can never be remedied, as web apps use interpreted languages as opposed to compiled languages. They can't send compiled code to the client as they will need a different version for each type of computer, and if they do all the work server side, then that just causes the problems mentioned above. - kalleanka, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11The article says "Google is confronting Microsoft with the first real challenge that its enormously successful Office franchise has ever faced."
Yeah right! When they said this about Open Office it was indeed true. But cmon, noone can even compare Writely to MS Office. Maybe it can compare to Wordpad, but never MS Office. - borisyankov, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6By the way, Eric Shmidt and the two Google guys are members of the billionaire club too.
- WinGeek, on 10/15/2008, -0/+6Did anyone actually read this article? This guy does not even know what AJAX is.
You mean it did not come from the AJAX corporation? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Seriously...how many times do these idiotic "everyone is going to flcok to put all their business information online" stories.
Itis NOT going to happen. Even if they have Google acconts, people at Microsoft at NOT worried one bit.
Dream on fanboys, but MS Office will be around for a LONG time. - KrazyKoala, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9What is with all the wishful thinking to bring down "M$?" I just don't get it. Sure the operating systems have had their issues, but the push for everything in software being free is BS in my opinion. For most people, the hundreds of dollars for a very good office suite is actually worth it. Think of all the assignments, projects and anything else that you can do with office programs, it makes my life a hell of a lot easier than manually punching numbers for a biology statistics assignment and then manually graphing it. Office is reliable, I only had to pay 200 (Canadian) for the student office suite and you know what, it was damn worth it. I've tried openoffice.org, I'm sure this google pack will be somewhat useful...but paying a couple hundred bucks for reliable office software is worth it. I'm sick of people being too cheap and not appreciating how much simpler office makes their lives.
- fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6That anti-monopoly list applies damn well to Apple too...
1) 90% of the mp3 player market, with no innovation until competitors like Creative and hRiver forced their hand.
2) See above. Apple only innovates when the company is threatened with death. Oddly enough, it seems to happen a lot...
3) Ditto. What the ***** is FairPlay?
4) The list of Apple failures goes on and on. Anybody remember the problems with the Macbooks, all of which were easy to fix but which weren't simply because Apple was resistant to doing so?
The sword cuts both ways. - narduk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"it's probably because they don't have accounts for Google's free online productivity packages."
I would imagine that they just might have accounts on google. What businessman wouldn't check out his competition. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Actually, his comment is the only one that has common sense. He isright.
Seriously...I know you are desperate for MS to die, but you will be LONG dead and forgotten before they will. (That is a bad analogy since you are already forgotten now.) - drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Precisely, this author is obviously not tech savy at all. He brings in OSS at the end after giving a false definition of AJAX. His story claims that AJAX was invented by OSS. It's amazing that journalists can just make stuff up like this. Honestly it used to be you could tell the difference of quality between a newspaper article and Joe's personal homepage but these days I don't know if I can.
- lordmetroid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4For that which you want to make use of as saved documents. Which happens to be everything I do, one uses Open Office.
But saving things online is might good for backup. However I can not imagine myself using google's software rather than Open Office. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Google's attempted-office isn't competition for any desktop office package.
- macewan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You guys keep talking about this Microsoft company as if it really mattered to us. As far as the subject of this article goes, it has been done time and time again. It just isn't digg worthy any further.
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'd trust it if it was on my Intranet but not at Google or some other random site.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3No no it's not a mass-migration to online services, it's a mass-migration *from* Microsoft services.
Filed under f for fiction. - spyres, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3No, openoffice is not "heavily java based". The base module makes use of it, but other than that it's mostly for wizards and so on.
- saralk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Microsoft has the same amount of redundancy, yet a while ago, the connection going directly from AOL to MSN went down and noone on AOL could get onto MSN Messenger.
- jawadshuaib, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Take a look at http://shuzak.com/Replies.php?ID=876&Topic_ID=2&t=Will-Linux-ever-beat-Microsoft-in-PC-market?
There is an argument going on that for Linux to beat Microsoft's monopoly, Google has to push more resources into the marketing side of it. It would be silly for Google to create a free OS when a great one already exists. It is in there interest of both Google and the linux community to beat their common rival, Microsoft. - fulldecent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Two milestones:
* Offline editing and saving of documents, to sync later.
* Google service to mail you a CD (DVD) with all your files (encrypted of course). - dengzhi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1GOOGLE WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD!! (AND UNIVERSE!--GOOGLE MOON BASE)
- MusicalGenius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Monopoly? What!? Mac means all mac. Windows means compatibility. Mac is a monopoly before Microsoft. I like Macs to a point. But if anyone is trying to control everything it is Apple. Bill Gates wants to push everything the way he thinks it should be done. With innovation and style. Mac does the same thing. Not just them, but every company tries to offer everything and get all the money. Correction: Bill gates doesn't do it, but has people do it for him. The difference is that Microsoft doesn't force you to use Microsoft's products. It just makes available as many products as they can. While people blame Microsoft for stealing ideas, it could not be more the opposite with everyone doing it to Microsoft. While people still think Microsoft is more evil... At least they don't run ads meant to down Apple. Apple could claim they just make fun of PC's but the truth is. Apple has great products but Steve Jobs and the business he runs is corrupt. Not Bill Gates. I now prepare to be sunk.
- theapbt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I gave google's attempt at an office suite, a try, but it sucked...big time; so I headed over to openoffice and it works wonder. I try to skip Microsoft products as much as I can. The next step would be for google to "buy" openoffice.
- saralk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@etnu: Of course C will never be as fast as tailored machine code, but it is a lot faster than javascript. On the kind of applications that are being created right now, the different probably wont be noticable, however as Google Spreadsheet starts to implement more features that are in Excel, you will find that the interperative overhead really starts to show.
Even if most of the code at the moment isn't done in the javascript, pretty soon, something will need to be completely coded in javascript as it wont be available in the current version of javascript. Even if it then gets implemented in the next version of JS, it'll take ages for every browser to implement it.
Also, can you honestly see a future where every browser agrees on some sort of standard for intergrating into the operating system, and allowing inter-web-application functionality. Dragging and dropping between two applications on the internet would need some sort of collusion between application creators, that in all honesty, I can never see happening.
Also, you can hardly compare a widget that tells you the weather in London to Microsoft Word. Widgets have their place, and its not in full blown applications, more in single function apps. - JQP123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@saralk
"Also web applications aren't as responsive as computer apps, this can never be remedied, as web apps use interpreted languages as opposed to compiled languages. They can't send compiled code to the client as they will need a different version for each type of computer..."
What happens if MS makes it possible for Internet Explorer to download and execute .NET code in a virtual sandbox? - pascalrossini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Microsoft and Google are not competitors. Google is an ad agency, 98% of the groups strengths are concentrated on increasing advertising revenue and on the services that generate such revenue. Microsoft is a software editor.
2- Google has not shown anything (just some little pieces) yet in terms of building software like Office or in terms of operating systems. Even if that was the case, there is the striking example of Apple, who has a much more powerful OS than Windows, but which has never overtaken a 5% market share in this field, without ever risking the production of a 100% MAC Office suite.
3- Google’s sales turnover comes from advertising and Microsoft’s from software sales. Do you see any competition? - simpsonmedia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Mmm, I'm not impressed with any of the big players in this arena. Check out this entry about BlueTie: http://digg.com/tech_news/BlueTie_Launches_Free_Ajax_Email_Suite
These guys are offering 20 user workgroups with 5GB storage per user and all of the features/functionality of Gmail and then some! I've signed up for this app and it's pretty damn cool. And - they don't appear to be one of the one-hit-wonders 'Web 2.0' stories. They've around for 8 years. - ryos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Even disregarding a few misleading sentences, there is nothing new about whatever concept this article tries to convey. There are some serious road blocks for Google to compete against Microsoft in the same class anyways. As many of you already discussed Google's apps are nowhere near as polished as Microsoft's counter parts.
That's not to say Google will never make it. I believe they will. But for that to happen, I believe they have a few obstacales to clear. But they need to standardize their webapp development process through a unified webapp framework. Much like Microsoft's .NET or Apple's Cocoa framework, the next generation web experience will require something more standardized and extensive than AJAX possibly includes an AWT kit with option on the developers' end to customize the UI. Oh and for gods sake Google, please make something little more pleasant to see and use. One of the reasons why Open Office, Gimp and the like have not overtaken the world is because they look ugly and hard to use. - JQP123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0On-line apps are an up and coming trend. For a certain class of users, this may be all they really need. MS is not ignoring this trend, they are working toward putting Office on-line. And they are working hard toward making .NET the best available platform for building on-line apps.
Thus far, the group that seems to be ignoring the on-line trend is Open Source. In my opinion, this is just as big a threat to Open Source as to MS. With apps available on-line for free (as in beer), does anyone really care about source code? If noone cares about source code, that pretty much removes the reason for Open Source's existence. - gvibe06, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2@lordmetroid
You will one day. Open Office is heavily java based, which is very easily ported to the web.
And Eric Schmidt used to be CEO for Sun (makers of OpenOffice) ... do the math! - goffy59, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2But your ok with microsoft putting NSA's dirty little hands on your windows?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAKEY I dont know whats in windows xp but there has to be something. Why should the NSA have any trace of their disgusting organization on my computer? - etnu, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2That's the stupidest argument I've ever heard. No, javascript will never perform on the same level as C, but neither does C perform at the same level as hand-tuned assembly (or machiine code, for that matter). It doesn't matter. Computers keep getting faster. Aside from that, it's not like you're implementing everything in javascript -- most of the "heavy lifting" is implemented in native code, with javascript bindings exposed.
With offline storage (already available in FF 2.0, supported in flash since version 7, and most likely in IE within the next release), the "offline" issue will be reduced, to the point where it practically disappears as new iterations come over it.
Web applications are inevitable, and everyone who's been paying attention knows this.
In the meanwhile, hybrid approaches are already flooding every nook and cranny of the application space. Between konfabulator (Yahoo! widgets), OSX widgets, and, now Vista Gadgets, light apps which are pretty much identical to 'web apps' are going to replace the majority of desktop software.
You ARE familiar with XUL and XAML, I trust? No? well, read up on them. Even MS sees the web as the future of applications.
To be fair, though, it'll be at least 5 years before web-based apps can give products like office a run for their money in all areas. Currently, the word processors & spreadsheets are suitable for the basic home users, but they're not suitable for the work place. They still need offline storage & editing, improved security (if they expect anyone to store them online), and feature parity with the desktop versions. To make the claim that it will "never happen" is idiotic, though. - dysonlu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1LOL. Most suitable one-liner indeed.
- gd007, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1google office rocks!
- fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Agreed with replier.
Google can't even compete with Wordpad or the KDE/Gnome analogs, let alone with the KOffice or OpenOffice. It's got a long, long ways to go before it even comes close to matching Office '97, let alone 2003 or 2007.
I don't know any business that would trust an online application (hosted by a company that doesn't know how to delete data). Online solutions are worse than useless in the situations when document editors are most useful, like on long flights or trips, or outdoors, or anywhere internet access is non-existent.
Marked inaccurate/lame/spam. - etnu, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Here are reasons to be "anti" MS:
1. Monopolies aren't good for anyone. It's anti-capitalistic. Without competition, there is no innovation. I don't really care if MS is the market leader, but I do care that they control 90% of the desktop machines.
2. Their track record speaks for itself with regards to how they view innovation; they do it only when necessary.
3. They don't care about standardizing anything
4. They keep repeating the same dumb mistakes over and over again, especially with regards to security. Making every user have full administrative privs is not a good idea, ever.
I don't think everything should be "open", personally, but I do think MS needs some real competition. - TheCod, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4This is not news. Google has been working on this for over a year.
- gvibe06, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1no animals were harmed during the writing of this reply
- gvibe06, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0@chad3405
Your comment is high narrow minded.
Who said anything about confidential data storage.
These online apps are to make doc/spreadsheet collaboration easier not for storage Company Confidential data.
Once the collaboration is complete the doc or spreadsheet is downloaded and stored safely and can be deleted offline at that point.
Its time you locate your brain, remove the protective wrapper, plug it in, and start using it. - gvibe06, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2Google servers go down?
Please don't make me laugh.
Ever hear of redundancy ... I mean come on you know they have data centers all over the world.
Can you imagine the Earth-ending phenomenon that would have to take place before Google would be affected on a Global scale? - subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3Dugg big time! But most of their Office base will stay with what they are familiar and comfortable with, don't you think?
Any updates on the Google/Ubuntu rumors? If THAT ever gets rolling Steve "Carpet Bomber" will be sweatin' bullets for sure.
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