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- smoger, on 02/26/2009, -6/+100misleading headline: unlocked G1's are not blocked from these apps... unlocked DEVELOPER G1's are.
in other words, if you get it from Tmo, you're fine. unlock it, do whatever, no problem. If you get the dev phone from google.. THAT's what is blocked. - MikeCrazy, on 02/26/2009, -22/+111Dear Google
What ever happen to the ***** you were talking about the Android being Open? What a load of *****! You jazzed everyone on the idea of it being Open and now you acting like Apple. *****... man up. - inkswamp, on 02/26/2009, -26/+77And here I thought the Android phones were supposed to be the free and crazy, anything goes, wild west alternative to the oppressive Orwellian terror of the iPhone.
- smoger, on 02/26/2009, -2/+45$350 shipping?? do you live on the moon?
- RobotBuddha, on 02/26/2009, -2/+29Ok, that's actually not terrible in my opinion.
- aladrin, on 02/26/2009, -3/+30So this has absolutely nothing to do with being unlocked from your carrier, only whether or not the phone is cracked to have root access? Would be nice to note that.
- Kanuhduh, on 02/26/2009, -5/+26This is not as bad as you are making it out to be. Unlocked and Rooted G1s can access the paid apps. Developer phones sold through google cannot access them to thwart any app pirating. If you notice, it says only copy-protected apps are blocked.
Point is, Misleading title, over-reaction, and Android is still awesome. - Bloodwine, on 02/26/2009, -5/+23obligatory "Do No Evil" sarcastic remark on Google-related article.
- honesttussey, on 02/26/2009, -2/+17This Digg article is some pretty big *****. Did the submitter even bother to read the article? A loop hole was discovered which allowed anyone with a developer G1 to purchase an app from the google store, request a refund for their money but still keep a copy of the app (because the developer phone can access folders the normal phone can't). So people were gaming the system. It has nothing to with unlocked phones. The thing is anyone can get an G1 developer phone for just an additional $25.
On one hand I see why google did what they did. People were ripping them off. On the other hand....what the ***** did you expect google, when you give people unfettered access to the system? They're gonna poke their noses in places you don't want and circumvent conventional operations....but then isn't the the WHOLE POINT of the android OS?
You're now going down the sticky road of telling people what to do with their hardware. A better idea might be to abandon the sales portion of your app store and offer only free FOSS and let the free market create a website to sell apps to android users, perhaps stores maintained by each cell carrier? Just my .02. - shockeriv, on 02/26/2009, -0/+14Actually you pay for apps through google checkout, not through your t-mobile account.
- AndrewWiggin, on 02/26/2009, -1/+14Why digg him down? He's right, RTA.
- clickmyface, on 02/26/2009, -2/+14wait what??? $350 for shipping?
- inactive, on 02/26/2009, -5/+17Just get pirated apps.
- Jeremy82465, on 02/26/2009, -2/+12Exactly what I was thinking. Also came to make the coment of the Irony of this being from macworld considering Jobs wants to make it illegal to jailbreak an iPhone.
Disclaimer - I own a macbook and an iPhone - Trifold, on 02/26/2009, -2/+11Oh yeah, this will definitely stop piracy, and not at all serve only to irritate the exact people they're trying to attract to the platform. (/s, obviously)
Side note, those of you with rooted G1s can go right around this. Makes you wonder why these companies even bother with this "piracy-protection" nonsense. - inactive, on 02/26/2009, -2/+11As a developer, I am quite happy to see the fact that Google is blocking developers from downloading paid applications on their dev phones. Because of the way the security is handled with the android program packages, it is possible for someone with a dev phone to access the APK, pull it off the phone, then email it freely to whoever they want, or even resell it. The developer looses out. I don't know why all these developers in other countries are crying while Google nipped the issue in the butt while probably developing a better solution to the underlying issue.
- Ellipsys, on 02/26/2009, -14/+22Good job doing no evil, Google. Real nice job. I expected better, really. This strongly discourages me from ever adopting an Android phone.
- Chairboy, on 02/26/2009, -3/+11Did Apple ever say their code was open?
- erasedgod, on 02/26/2009, -1/+9Were you going to get a developer phone? No? Then it doesn't affect you at all.
- soBoredinNJ, on 02/26/2009, -1/+9How would you differentiate a developer G1 vs a rooted tmobile G1?
I have a developer G1 with a modified tmobile firmware. My phone properties say that my phones model number is "T-Mobile G1", it previously said "APD 1" before I installed the custom image. Everything else in the properties are also modified.
I would guess (I haven't tested it) that if you have modified firmware (a rooted tmobile G1), you would be in the same boat as the developer G1. I don't see how the market software can distinguish between the two, therefore, I think that if you have root access, regardless of the model, you are SOL. Unless they base it off of the phones model, in which case, I would theoretically be able to install protected apps since I have tmobile firmware regardless of the phone actually being a dev phone.
I would test out the differences but I would have to wipe the data on my phone to switch firmwares which I don't feel like dealing with at the moment. - newsboys, on 02/26/2009, -0/+6No, it's not believable.
- mosesmarimo, on 02/26/2009, -14/+20I have always suspected Google sometimes use the open source mantra just for marketing and winning the ant-Microsoft users. This move is a lot of bull!
- inactive, on 02/26/2009, -5/+11counter hack will be out in 4...3...2...
- Jeremy82465, on 02/26/2009, -1/+7Dont know why you are getting dug down, but I am more than happy to provide source(s):
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/13/apple-sez-jai ...
http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/02/13/apple-sez- ...
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/13/apple-and-eff-s ...
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/02/apple-say ...
I figured boingboing, engadget, and wired were all reliable sources, the iphone blog was just thrown in for me :) - beskurrd, on 02/26/2009, -0/+6FYI: I have a rooted Tmobile G1 and I was just able to buy an app (tetherWifi) from the market and it used Google Checkout.
- AndrewWiggin, on 02/26/2009, -1/+7Everyone bashing Google about not being "open" should read the article. It's really nothing surprising that they closed this loophole. Clearly all the commenters above me only read the title.
- diggopolous, on 02/26/2009, -1/+7Yes, I do live on the moon, I bought it as a gift for my wife: Alice Kramden
- TeamBaldwin, on 02/27/2009, -0/+5Yea but its still really lame that people making paid apps can't even load it on their own $400 phone
- unclejimbo88, on 02/26/2009, -1/+6This article is *****. I have an unlocked G1 on AT&T and I just bought an app last night. The only app that I can't download is Pacman....
EDIT: Just read the article and it said dev phones are the ones being blocked. Description is inaccurate either way. - bfils6632, on 02/26/2009, -4/+9Well the reaon for this is that with the unlocked phone you have root access and you can simply copy the paid for apps and the return them afterwards. The original reason for the unlocked developer phones was for developers to be able to test out the applications that they were working on for the device.
- insomniac8400, on 02/26/2009, -1/+6So what are they going to do when someone gains root access on a regular phone? They just advertised a reason to root your phone. Free apps.
- soBoredinNJ, on 02/26/2009, -0/+5I think everyone is still confused.
So, does anyone have a rooted tmobile G1 which can install a protected application right now? I would like to know if this works. If it does, then I will also try to install the same protected application on my dev phone which has modified firmware, making it look exactly like a tmobile G1 according to the phone properties.
I don't see how the hardware itself is the deciding factor of whether or not you can install protected apps. I would like to guess it's based on the firmware. - AndrewWiggin, on 02/26/2009, -2/+7Sensationalist title.
It should read: "Google closes free-paid-apps loophole by preventing developer-specific factory unlocked G1s from being able to download paid apps" - theOster, on 02/26/2009, -1/+5Moon Rover Ride Narrator: The story of lunar exploration started with one man - a man with a dream.
Animatronic Ralph Kramden: One of these days, Alice. Bang. Zoom. Straight to the moon.
Leela: Wow! I never realized the first astronauts were so fat.
Fry: That's not an astronaut, it's a TV comedian! And he was just using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife. - Kanuhduh, on 02/26/2009, -5/+9Where is the iPhone's released source code?
- mrsteveman1, on 02/26/2009, -3/+7I don't want the OS source code, i want it to be stable, fast, usable and pretty. iPhone fulfilled all of these before Android was even announced.
- AndrewWiggin, on 02/26/2009, -0/+4Who cares? The point is Google isn't trying to screw people who hacked their devices like the article title makes it sound.
- MasteRR, on 02/26/2009, -6/+10Hey, at least they are not bricking the unlocked phones upon every update.
- inkswamp, on 02/26/2009, -1/+5Thanks for the links. Seems to be a relatively new story and I hadn't heard about it. But it looks to me like standard maneuvering by a corporate legal dept., and likely something you would see out of any company in the same situation charged with automatically jumping to any perceived dangers to their trademarks or copyrights. That isn't an overt message that Apple opposes jailbreaking iPhones but rather that they won't support an exemption in existing law for the practice. That's not the same thing and you certainly can't leap to the statement that "Jobs wants to make it illegal to jailbreak an iPhone" as you stated. I doubt knee-jerk action taken by Apple's legal team reflects Jobs' own personal view.
BTW, I'm getting dug down because Digg is populated with a lot of folks who bury comments they disagree with instead of moderating based on how something is expressed. I often dig well-expressed comments that I disagree with but I suspect that kind of thing is not typical. - tjex, on 02/26/2009, -0/+4Wouldn't it just be simpler to make it so you can't get a refund on a purchased application if you have a Dev phone?
- unclejimbo88, on 02/26/2009, -0/+4@Qumhalin
How is using an app you paid for stealing? Unofficially unlocked phones don't have access to the private folder that the dev phones have. You're a dumbass. - inactive, on 02/26/2009, -0/+3Good move, Google. Seriously. It was a smart decision.
- Kanuhduh, on 02/26/2009, -2/+5No, and that's exactly my point. MikeCrazy stated that Google was acting just like apple and that their claims of being "open" was bogus.
- newsboys, on 02/26/2009, -0/+3That's *****. I live in Canada - no way we would ever get charged *that* bad. Here is a shipping calculator for duty and customs and everything for shipping items *from* the United States into Canada. Other countries have similar duties - no where near as crazy as this guy claims.
http://www.thefinalcost.com/
Even if I estimate the high shipping cost of $60 (that's like overnight UPS to Canada - and by the way, NEVER ship with UPS out of country - use USPS, because UPS is a rip-off.), that now becomes 75 CND + $35 CND in tax, $56 CND in a rip-off brokerage fee by UPS, and a $7 CND disembursement fee, for a total of: $173 CND, or $140 USD.
I estimated on the high end, and we tax pretty high in Canada, so I have no idea how that price could possibly double, no matter who you ship with..
I believe he really does live on the moon.. I'd also believe Antarctica. - level32, on 02/26/2009, -0/+3http://android.brightstarcorp.com/help.php
about half way down you see the chart.
Canada Ship: $ 35.75 tax/duty: $ 162.63
I'm in Canada but we have an office in the US, so I sent it there. Saved about $300 CAD with exchange rate at that time. - weeFred, on 02/26/2009, -2/+5Surely developers should be happy as google are protecting their revenue from the paid apps they make? Wouldn't developers be bitching if the paid for apps were easy to pirate also? Maybe google will find a better way of ensuring the paid for apps aren't pirated than having a hidden folder and then everybody can be happy.
- AlaskaLoneWolf, on 02/26/2009, -7/+10You'd think Google would back off the choke-hold a bit. Not like they're suffering financially or anything.
- inkswamp, on 02/26/2009, -1/+4> Jobs wants to make it illegal to jailbreak an iPhone
Source?
Apple has consistently said they don't care if people jailbreak but they won't support users who do. - erasedgod, on 02/26/2009, -0/+3My phone is rooted. All the apps show up fine.
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