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- armbar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+41Yes, because showing the usefulness of your product is brainwashing.
- joerodriguez, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35This is ridiculous. Google is brainwashing people to use their free products instead of microsofts $400 product?
Enlightening and Brainwashing are two very different things. - Lasker, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31The title of this post makes me angry. Teaching people to use your product isn't brainwashing - it's good business.
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24"Anybody can edit wikipedia, so use a reputable website like a .com, .edu, or .net"
'cause one idiot with a dotcom is obviously more reputable than 1000 idiots editing wikipedia. Your teachers know anyone can start up a new site for $10, right? :p - JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28funny... all my teachers hate google (they insist that we use MSN) and have outright banned Wikipedia from research papers on the grounds of "Anybody can edit wikipedia, so use a reputable website like a .com, .edu, or .net"
Oh... and we have a school full of tens of thousands of dollars worth of Mac/Windows computer eqipment... but most of it doesn't work because of small things... like the hard drive taken out of the BIOS boot list, or some kid messing with files that his account shouldn't have permission to even read.
... and thats when the network login server is actually running. - dono169, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Training teachers in technology must be brainwashing... how dare they!
- Bamborzled, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16"Anybody can edit wikipedia, so use a reputable website like a .com, .edu, or .net"
How about http://www.wikipedia.com? ;) - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11You realize all the bitching about this is due to the generally abysmal ability of schools to use technology.
- idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Microsoft has been doing this for years, of course. Whenever my 7th grade keyboarding teacher said "Microsoft Word", you could almost hear the "®".
- davidrools, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Ooohh i see. Theyre brainwashing teachers and students into using free, full featured web apps (docs & spreadsheets, picassa, calendar, earth) instead of paying microsoft hundreds of dollars for less connected apps.
This would have been dugg as an informative article if it weren't for the anti-google branwashing paranoia, instead labeled inaccurate. - unibomber999, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups"
http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/idiocy.jpg - lava, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12yeah, what the *****. Teachers sign up for this voluntarily. It's not like google is going to the school district and lobbying to require teachers to become google certified.
"Google is essentially cutting out the middle man and going directly to the talking heads who teach our children."
If they were really cutting out the middle man, they would have a "Google Certified Child" program. - Klisk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Meh, my highschool didn't even have computers.
- TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I agree. Google is something teachers need to know about. I am a teacher, and most Social Studies teachers don't even know about Google Earth where I come from. Most teachers are stressing MSN search or no searching at all and they have no idea about the technologies that are out there. For example, my school I work for blocks Google video search. Not the videos, the search for the videos. It sometimes blocks Google image search, sometimes it does not. Teachers need to know what is going on. I have no problem with Google training them. Ads are everywhere. We should limit ads to children in schools, but we can't keep them from ads in school 100%.
Eric Wilson - mikeazorin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9"all my teachers hate google (they insist that we use MSN)" -JimXugle
I am outraged. I think I might have become somewhat of a Google zealot, but honestly, there are no grounds for this. Has Google ever done anything wrong in the past to deserve this disservice? I think it's highly possible that the teachers at your school are being paid by Microsoft to say this, because it makes no sense. Wikipedia I can completely understand, but Google? It's a standard because it works. - ExtremeRyno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Seriously, I'm a teacher. I use Google and Wikipedia constantly. I've taught my students to use it. Google didn't force me to do it, I've not taken any classes from Google. It's just a good site with a really easy interface that even children can understand.
- patience, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6BS: Our kids need these skills.
Last time are checked, all the Tech companies were setting up research (not call centers) labs in Punjab or Shanghai. Not Silicon Valley.
Stop worrying about brainwashing. Our kids are wasting their brains on myspace and xanga created by Asians. They need these skills. - SpazticChips, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4lol, teaching teachers what to teach must be brain washing, or informing them. I suppose under this, you could say that since scientists tell teachers that evolution is true, and they teach it to students, there fore they are brain washing them. Not a solid argument.
- elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9PAJK, how was that relevant?
- KJSSJK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3My thoughts exactly. Local, state and federal govt. aren't funding this kind of stuff, and it's almost a necessity to know how to effectively research online once you hit secondary education/college.
Also, was it brainwashing when Apple gave away all those computers to schools back in the 80s and 90s? - xeno439, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I am a teacher and I do this anyway without and Google training. They have already brainwashed me. Or maybe they are useful?
- kevinmotel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4i can't tell if your being serious or not....
- m0laria, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Well Microsoft offers thigns like "MS Student" and crap like that, but Google is free, and since our government spends $500 billion on the military and jack ***** on education, which product do think our schools are going to use?
- TheKillDoctor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Marked as "who really f'king cares...."
Really! For the old timers it was Brittanica peddling info to school libraries.
Times change and so does the source. - goffy59, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Whoever posted this doesnt deserve to have that ability.
- Dragular, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Talking about Google!? Why, that could lead to dancing!!!!! We'll have none of that in our schools thank you!!
- Toast1185, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"drilling the usefulness of Google.com and its product base"
Google and its product base are ridiculously useful. No problem with me. Who hasn't used google to find a source for one of their research papers? - glock22ownr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@JimXugle :
Not surprising, I remember a story of one of the "tech" dudes at my highschool hiding under his desk from a teacher that kept bugging him about her printer. He locked his office door and hid under the desk... so she said anyway. Just remember... those who cant do teach... those who cant teach... teach gym... or support school putters... ahem. the minus digg is to your top right, little red hand. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think it's good to be teaching these skills.
I don't like it when it's geared to one product/vendor. It's for the same reason I think teaching word processing is valuable- not teaching Word or Google's word processor. Teach principles so that student may use their skills on any platform. I work in a higher education institution and I'm still baffled when a student, or even another staff and faculty member, think that there are only M$ solutions
On a side note- I see there was no mention of information literacy there. It's great to teach people/student how to search and use products, but what about information literacy. Being able to weigh, evaluate and then use the information is just as important as being able to search for it. - bhsx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i was gonna mod you... then i couldn't decide which way to mod.
You're right of course; but i think you bring the wrong argument to the table. As a marketing company, GOOG's done very well. I argue, however, that that's because they're, for the first time in a long time, doing marketing "right."
They respect their users, as far as we can tell, better then just about anyone in Internet marketing history. Let them do well. Marketing, is unfortunately, here to stay... let it be left to those that do it well. - FallibleDragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No word processor is appropriate for writing a research paper; least of all, Microsoft Word, with it's crazy unreliable layout engine. Check out a professional document processor or typesetting system some time.
- dBLiSS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow Journalist intergrity out the window when you use the term "brainwash" allows your bias to shine right through.
- sailor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why all the comments? The article is *****. Google is by far the best search engine. Any teacher that recommends MSN is an idiot and probably still uses AOL...
- bhsx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Alright.. you can look at my profile and know that it's pretty ***** rare that i post here. That said.. I used to be an administrator for a local school system. I eventually left because:
the school board would not let me replace any of the WAY over-paid-for and antiquated servers with new linux servers demanding that they run NT4(which will give you a time line there). I had, personally, had-it-up-to-here(sorry for extraneous hyphens and parentheses[and commas and brackets]) with running-around, continuously rebooting servers.
I argued continually that teaching kids how to use MS office in the way they taught it, was locking those kids in to one possible future where MS eternally rules the market. They didn't see the importance of teaching concepts over applications.
All that being said.. it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that GOOG is trying to fight back against the kind of underhanded marketing that MSFT has somehow managed to slip-past the people who are supposed to be looking-over this kind of thing and making sure it doesn't happen to the extent that MSFT has taken it "with our kids."
OK, my rambling is done... enjoy the rest of your night. - f0rTyLeGz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It makes me SICK! Teaching people how to use the tools they share.
- abcgi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Nice objective reporting, webtickle :)
- jeffreypaules, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2A lot of very shallow discussion on this thread. Google, Word, Writely - they're all just tools. What really matters is the level of discretion that the student/user brings to the party. I don't care whether my students bring me something from wikipedia, Google or some .com, .edu. or .tv site for that matter. I care whether they look at the pedigree of the material and the site they get it from. Nothing is the perfect, absolute truth.
Think. - mpancha, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Very smart business strategy, and no matter how I look at it, it falls within ethical bounds. Go Google.
- nukethewhales, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Sure, Google is an information and research centered company, but the Google Certified Teachers program conjures up memories of In-School Marketing such as Coke Machines in the cafeterias, Book Covers sponsored by Nestle or Dominos Pizza, and the Apple (Computer) for a Teacher programs."
He says that like all that is in the past. Have you looked inside a school recently? Why do you think they have all those Dells that they got at a discount (if they paid anything at all). Have you heard of Bill Gates' "School of the Future"? I wonder what operating system they use in there? Someone mentioned Channel 1. That's still around.
But you know what? These are all good things. Would you rather have ignorant teachers without any training in the proper use of these tools? Would you rather have no computers in schools? Would you rather have schools with old textbooks because they can't afford to pay the same prices per book that us college students pay?
I bet this is the same guy who screams about how crappy our schools are and then screams when his taxes go up because of them. - pgm_01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Come on, the blog says "Fair and Balanced search engine news" so it MUST be true, just like Fox News. Although I must congratulate the submitter for slanting the summary even more than the actual article.
- unangst, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You can use Google Aps for Education to create gmail accounts using your own domain!
- JimXugle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Klisk
Lucky!
I'd take a typewriter and a bottle of whiteout over a school computer any day. - baconlt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1News flash: I'm a teacher. I love my job and my students (not THAT kind of love). That was sarcasm. You can't teach sarcasm in schools.
- bombadil78, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I just signed up for that earlier today...I love google products...the only downside is that i have a lab at the local Boys and Girls club with 20 boxes in it, and none of them will run google earth...i have to take my machine in to show them...oh well this is something i would jump on if i lived in norther cali...
- jayhawk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i teach technology to teachers and i think it's great that google is providing free services. i encouraged all of my students to use writely before google bought it and now google owns it and they've added tagging to the app and things are really shaping up. a free word processor versus the heavy cost of word.
if the key is to get kids learning to use a word processor then schools could save considerably if they'd just ditch office and use free online tools even if they online versions aren't full featured. they are featured enough for most kids.
my only concern is that things won't always be free. hopefully there is always a free version and more full featured pay version when they do decide to charge.
i also use blogger. i've tried other sites for blogging, but the truth is that blogger has the best help files and tutorials and they just make things easy. i'd never use blogger myself, but for the nitty gritty, it sure gets the job done.
the calendar is perfect for teams trying to collaborate. the folks i teach with (there are 6 of us) share digital cameras, handheld computers, video cameras, and more tech. one calendar for each set of equipment and we can all access it . . . Head and Shoulders above GroupWise.
I have no complaints when it comes to free. given the budgets most schools face, free is about all many will spend on this stuff. - tmcdigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1ooh, ooh, ooh... tha things that make you go Hmmm?
- mohmar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1seriously, I tell my friends about useful things all of the time...doesn't mean I'm brainwashed.
- ryannerd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The fact that most schools use Microsoft technology is not because schools love Microsoft. Most schools realize the reality that when the kids leave school and enter the business world they will be using Microsoft technology 95% of the time? Like it or not M$ dominates the business world and that is not likely to change for a very long time.
IBM was king before M$ came around, and guess what technology schools were "loyal" to at that time? - KSUdesigner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The amount of money spent per student has nothing to do with the students' performance, I never said that you moron. I said it goes directly to support their education, which means things like teacher salaries, equipment, heating, electricity, etc., etc. Unless school officials are embezzling money, there is no profit in schools. It all goes somewhere that is directly related to the students in the schools.
- mwace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hmm, this is an interesting change on Diggs part. Migrating from 'News on Google, and some other stuff', to this.... I think it says a lot about both Digg and Google.
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