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- pplant, on 10/12/2007, -4/+44It seems to me that this should not be unusual that Google Book Search will uncover long-buried literary crimes.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Google book search will ultimately become the Jedi Library.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14So you cheated through college...
You better hope that if you ever needed an operation; that your surgeon didn't do the same. - praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -5/+15Step 1 in reclaiming your life: Stop watching The Matrix.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I see what you did there. >.>
(cue the owl) - Cglass, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10It seems to me that this should not be unusual that Google Book Search will uncover long-buried literary crimes.
- atommclain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Can you please be more vague.
- Elohir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8So..how much do clothes cost in The Matrix?
- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Of course, and I always suspected it was the true reason why some Authors were so against it.
A simply query will bring up all similar statements/paragraphs, etc and lo-and behold we've got our own plagiarism finder. Its only a matter of time...
Imagine a similar search engine for art, you'll find tons of people who will be outed in an instant (this process usually takes months, even years). You'll also find lots of copy-cat art and the same will go for writing.
I for one welcome our new Google Book Search overlords and will laugh in glee at the expense of authors who chose to take a morally despicable shortcut. (I also bet 10 shillings that Digg will cover the first of those to be caught) - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5What do you mean -- the article isn't blaming Google Book Search for anything...
- zmobie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I love Google Book Search. I'll never spend countless hours in a library writing a paper again!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"Stop watching The Matrix"
Start questioning who you are and explore your conciousness. I'm not telling you to be religious, just if you aren't lazy, think about WHAT you are. You are human yes, but what makes you you? - paulmdx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"all writers plagiarize. ... maybe you've heard of a little book called The Dictionary."
I have heard of a dictionary, let's see what it says...
Plagarize: To copy and assume credit for someone else's work, instead of acknowledging in writing.
I wouldn't call using words assuming credit for someone else's work.. Maybe you've heard of a little thing called common sense. - ohcoaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4you are all simply a figment of my imagination. now, back to imagining angelina...
- drfranktm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@Cglass: pretty clever. ;-)
- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5This just in:
Using google book search, scholars have just demonstrated that all the writings in early christianity were entirely plagiarized from much older traditions, and contained absolutely nothing new.
Religious, faith-based pseudo- scholars naturally reacted by supressing that information, and now thy will try to shut down the google book search engine. - WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think the point is that 'chrisek' has been submitting stories every few minutes...and really a lot of stories, as if, maybe it is actually a BOT submitting stories, which would be a violation of the TOS of digg.com
- Eastlygod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That's the whole point, he's counter-arguing the fact that some people say that it's not plagiarism because the sentence's are just commonly. However the fact that Google brings 0 results shows that they are not that common when copied word for word. So therefore if it does bring up an exact replica for a previously written sentence, it's likely to be plagiarism.
- upquark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Obviously you aren't getting something, so I am about to say it in the simplest way possible: backing up your own point is not disproving mine, and in fact making you look stupider.
We get it, Islam is a total Christianity spin-off. Well Christianity is Judaism Part II, so just get over it. Just... bugger off and go hate Muslims somewhere else. - Casedot, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6time to come back to reality tech[]D[][]V[][]D
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4@nusblog
Umm..there are even ads in the print version. However you could say there are considerably less than on the non-print page. - itsxtian, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I'm glad I finished college already. Won't have to worry about teachers checking those made up footnotes!
- NewPunk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow.. this is pretty cool! Dante the Divine Comedy is on there.. the Count of Monte Cristo... wicked cool! I know what I'm doing in class tomorrow.
- h8u4evr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Koran isn't Mohammed's words; he took dictation from the angel Gabriel, also known as Christopher Walken.
I do not feel qualified to call Christopher Walken a plagiarist. - unloud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2That was way too long and boring. (coincidentally, the same reason why I have never read the bible, and didn't read your posts).
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Given that tons of people plagarise digg submissions and submit blogspam that plagarises quality articles on the web, I find it hard to believe that we are anywhere near technology that will stop plagiarism.
- hiscity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Plagiary is still plagiary, whether taken from truth or untruth.
Forgery is still forgery, no matter how true it seems.
Fraud is still fraud, however it's spun,
Sooner or later it all unravels....
:
THE ORIGINS OF THE QUR'AN
AN ENQUIRY INTO THE SOURCES OF ISLAM
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Books/Goldsack/Sources/index.htm
Introduction
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Books/Goldsack/Sources/intro.htm
Heathen beliefs and practices incorporated into the Qur'an
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Books/Goldsack/Sources/chap1.htm
Jewish beliefs and practices incorporated into the Qur'an
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Books/Goldsack/Sources/chap2.htm
Christian beliefs and practices incorporated into the Qur'an
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Books/Goldsack/Sources/chap3.htm
Portions of the Qur'an called forth by the circumstances of the time
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Books/Goldsack/Sources/chap4.htm
:
"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time"
(1 Timothy 2:3-6). - sophiaperennis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I can imagine teachers using it, to find plagiarism in essays from their students. There was an article on Digg about this a while back.
- hiscity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1http://www.famousplagiarists.com/theologyandreligion.htm
= quote = (Dr. J.P. Lesko)
Plagiarism by Prophets and Messengers
What were some of the criticisms which early unbelievers leveled at the Muslim Prophet to provoke such a violent response? It so happens, that among the charges/allegations made during the founding period of Islam were accusations of plagiarism, namely that Mohammed had (allegedly) incorporated into the Qur'an some verses which had actually been composed by other poets, Imru Al Qais, for example, a well known pre-Islamic (Jahiliyyah) poet in the Arabic literary tradition. Other poets in the Arabic literary tradition have been accused of plagiarism and pastiche, but the Qur'an being esteemed more than just literature or poetry, allegations that a surah might not be authentic were tantamount to blasphemy to those who believed the Qur'an had been revealed from Allah in Arabic, the very language of Allah.
= unquote = - nroose, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Seems like Google could speed up this process by just getting one of their PhD Minions to write a little script that automatically finds the repetitions in their book db sorted by longest first.
Also, just because THAT sentence didn't appear anywhere, does not mean that EVERY sentence is unique. - upquark, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Oh yeah, shove definitions in my face... as if I don't know what the words mean. Your definitions neither invalidate nor change my point. You probably would know that if you had comprehended my point at all.
Plagiarism goes on in the Qur'an, just as it does in every other religion in the world. This isn't the forum for you to be telling everyone how you hate Muslim people. Go someplace else with your bigotry. - upquark, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Hiscity: Take your zealotry elsewhere. Do you think the Old Testament is original? Hell, even the holidays are Greek Pagan or Celtic Pagan holidays with new names. Besides, what religion do you think The Qur'an came from?
Look, no religious text is true or false. It is as true as the people who believe in it. Furthermore, there are very few religions that are NOT plagiarized somehow. Buddhism draws many of its traditions from Hinduism, and /all/ monotheists can thank Zoroastrianism. Every Judeo-Christian owes some allegiance to the ancient Pagan traditions. So get the hell over yourself. - hiscity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1forgery
One entry found for forgery.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/forgery
Main Entry: forg·ery
Pronunciation: 'forj-rE, 'for-j&-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -er·ies
1 archaic : INVENTION
2 : something forged
3 : an act of forging; especially : the crime of falsely and fraudulently making or altering a document (as a check)
plagiarize
One entry found for plagiarize.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/plagiarizes
Main Entry: pla·gia·rize
Pronunciation: 'plA-j&-"rIz also -jE-&-
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -rized; -riz·ing
Etymology: plagiary
transitive verb : to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
intransitive verb : to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source - Casedot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Elohir
I just watched that movie... - snorri, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm working on an essay and a quick Google Book search found the very book I'm reading right now. I seem to have access to pretty much everything in it. Which just makes it just ***** annoying that I spend about £20 on it, which could have gone to booze... :/
- Geekbeard, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"It seems to me that this should not be unusual"
Bit of a flawed argument (i.e., there are 0 hits in google, therefore it doesn't happen that often in real life!) namely because the longer the phrase you have in quotations, the less likely google is going to match it up with something (at least, that's something i've found). - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3who really cares about plagiarism? i mean, i can see being mad if you copied the whole book, or novel, but, if you take a few good things from it and put it in your own words, what does it matter?
- diafel, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Stop letting chrisek game Digg http://digg.com/users/chrisek/submitted
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4Reality is a fabrication of itself. Thought is electronic pulses and data. You're a computer program, and your bare script is DNA. It's funny, us talking to each other. Funny in the sense that we are both replications of each other except we're in different host bodies. Welcome to reality.
- belko, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -15/+10all writers plagiarize.
maybe you've heard of a little book called The Dictionary. word for word it's the same thing. - hiscity, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Judge for yourself below whether or not the Qur'an is truth, plagiary, or fraud.
= begin comparisons =
Colons are used with Bible verses, and quotes and periods for Qur'an surahs.
(the Bible verses are taken from the Torah)
Joseph (from Genesis)
Yusuf (from the Qur'an)
Genesis 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. Surah "12.4": When Yusuf said to his father: O my father! surely I saw eleven stars and the sun and the moon -- I saw them making obeisance to me.
37:10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth? "12.5": He said: O my son! do not relate your vision to your brothers, lest they devise a plan against you; surely the Shaitan is an open enemy to man.
37:20 Come now therefore, and let us slay him, and cast him into some pit, and we will say, Some evil beast hath devoured him: and we shall see what will become of his dreams. "12.9": Slay Yusuf or cast him (forth) into some land, so that your father's regard may be exclusively for you, and after that you may be a righteous people.
37:21 And Reuben heard it, and he delivered him out of their hands; and said, Let us not kill him. "12.10": A speaker from among them said: Do not slay Yusuf, and cast him down into the bottom of the pit if you must do (it), (so that) some of the travellers may pick him up.
37:31 And they took Joseph's coat, and killed a kid of the goats, and dipped the coat in the blood; "12.18": And they brought his shirt with false blood upon it. He said: Nay, your souls have made the matter light for you, but patience is good and Allah is He Whose help is sought for against what you describe.
37:36 And the Midianites sold him into Egypt unto Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh's, and captain of the guard. "12.20": And they sold him for a small price, a few pieces of silver, and they showed no desire for him.
39:1 And Joseph was brought down to Egypt; and Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh, captain of the guard, an Egyptian, bought him of the hands of the Ishmeelites, which had brought him down thither. "12.21": And the Egyptian who bought him said to his wife: Give him an honorable abode, maybe he will be useful to us, or we may adopt him as a son. And thus did We establish Yusuf in the land and that We might teach him the interpretation of sayings; and Allah is the master of His affair, but most people do not know.
39:7 And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me. "12.23": And she in whose house he was sought to make himself yield (to her), and she made fast the doors and said: Come forward. He said: I seek Allah's refuge, surely my Lord made good my abode: Surely the unjust do not prosper.
39:12 And she caught him by his garment, saying, Lie with me: and he left his garment in her hand, and fled, and got him out. "12.25": And they both hastened to the door, and she rent his shirt from behind and they met her husband at the door. She said: What is the punishment of him who intends evil to your wife except imprisonment or a painful chastisement?
39:20 And Joseph's master took him, and put him into the prison, a place where the king's prisoners were bound: and he was there in the prison. "12.33": He said: My Lord! the prison house is dearer to me than that to which they invite me; and if Thou turn not away their device from me, I will yearn towards them and become (one) of the ignorant.
40:5 And they dreamed a dream both of them, each man his dream in one night, each man according to the interpretation of his dream, the butler and the baker of the king of Egypt, which were bound in the prison. "12.36": And two youths entered the prison with him. One of them said: I saw myself pressing wine. And the other said: I saw myself carrying bread on my head, of which birds ate. Inform us of its interpretation; surely we see you to be of the doers of good.
40:8 And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you. "12.37": He said: There shall not come to you the food with which you are fed, but I will inform you both of its interpretation before it comes to you; this is of what my Lord has taught me; surely I have forsaken the religion of a people who do not believe in Allah, and they are deniers of the hereafter:
40:13 Yet within three days shall Pharaoh lift up thine head, and restore thee unto thy place: and thou shalt deliver Pharaoh's cup into his hand, after the former manner when thou wast his butler.
"12.41": O my two mates of the prison! as for one of you, he shall give his lord to drink wine; and as for the other, he shall be crucified, so that the birds shall eat from his head, the matter is decreed concerning which you inquired.
40:14 But think on me when it shall be well with thee, and shew kindness, I pray thee, unto me, and make mention of me unto Pharaoh, and bring me out of this house: "12.42": And he said to him whom he knew would be delivered of the two: Remember me with your lord; but the Shaitan caused him to forget mentioning (it) to his lord, so he remained in the prison a few years.
= end comparison part 1 = - hiscity, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1= begin comparison part 3 =
44:2 And put my cup, the silver cup, in the sack's mouth of the youngest, and his corn money. And he did according to the word that Joseph had spoken. "12.70": So when he furnished them with their provisions, (someone) placed the drinking cup in his brother's bag. Then a crier cried out: O caravan! you are most surely thieves.
44:4 And when they were gone out of the city, and not yet far off, Joseph said unto his steward, Up, follow after the men; and when thou dost overtake them, say unto them, Wherefore have ye rewarded evil for good? "12.71":They said while they were facing them: What is it that you miss?
44:5 Is not this it in which my lord drinketh, and whereby indeed he divineth? ye have done evil in so doing. "12.72": They said: We miss the king's drinking cup, and he who shall bring it shall have a camel-load and I am responsible for it.
44:7 And they said unto him, Wherefore saith my lord these words? God forbid that thy servants should do according to this thing: "12.73": They said: By Allah! you know for certain that we have not come to make mischief in the land, and we are not thieves.
44:9 With whomsoever of thy servants it be found, both let him die, and we also will be my lord's bondmen. "12.75": They said: The requital of this is that the person in whose bag it is found shall himself be (held for) the satisfaction thereof; thus do we punish the wrongdoers.
44:11 Then they speedily took down every man his sack to the ground, and opened every man his sack. "12.76": So he began with their sacks before the sack of his brother, then he brought it out from his brother's sack. Thus did We plan for the sake of Yusuf; it was not (lawful) that he should take his brother under the king's law unless Allah pleased; We raise the degrees of whomsoever We please, and above every one possessed of knowledge is the All-knowing one.
44:12 And he searched, and began at the eldest, and left at the youngest: and the cup was found in Benjamin's sack. "12.77": They said: If he steal, a brother of his did indeed steal before; but Yusuf kept it secret in his heart and did not disclose it to them. He said: You are in an evil condition and Allah knows best what you state.
44:14 And Judah and his brethren came to Joseph's house; for he was yet there: and they fell before him on the ground. "12.78": They said: O chief! he has a father, a very old man, therefore retain one of us in his stead; surely we see you to be of the doers of good.
44:19 My lord asked his servants, saying, Have ye a father, or a brother? "12.81": Go back to your father and say: O our father! surely your son committed theft, and we do not bear witness except to what we have known, and we could not keep watch over the unseen:
44:25 And our father said, Go again, and buy us a little food. "12.83": He (Yaqoub) said: Nay, your souls have made a matter light for you, so patience is good; maybe Allah will bring them all together to me; surely He is the Knowing, the Wise.
44:29 And if ye take this also from me, and mischief befall him, ye shall bring down my gray hairs with sorrow to the grave. Sura "12.84": And he turned away from them, and said: O my sorrow for Yusuf! and his eyes became white on account of the grief, and he was a repressor (of grief).
44:31 It shall come to pass, when he seeth that the lad is not with us, that he will die: and thy servants shall bring down the gray hairs of thy servant our father with sorrow to the grave.
"12.86": He said: I only complain of my grief and sorrow to Allah, and I know from Allah what you do not know.
45:3 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I am Joseph; doth my father yet live? And his brethren could not answer him; for they were troubled at his presence. "12.89": He said: Do you know how you treated Yusuf and his brother when you were ignorant?
45:4 And Joseph said unto his brethren, Come near to me, I pray you. And they came near. And he said, I am Joseph your brother, whom ye sold into Egypt. "12.90": They said: Are you indeed Yusuf? He said: I am Yusuf and this is my brother; Allah has indeed been gracious to us; surely he who guards (against evil) and is patient (is rewarded) for surely Allah does not waste the reward of those who do good.
48:7 And as for me, when I came from Padan, Rachel died by me in the land of Canaan in the way, when yet there was but a little way to come unto Ephrath: and I buried her there in the way of Ephrath; the same is Bethlehem. "12.99": Then when they came in to Yusuf, he took his parents to lodge with him and said: Enter safe into Egypt, if Allah please.
"12.110": Until when the apostles despaired and the people became sure that they were indeed told a lie, Our help came to them and whom We pleased was delivered; and Our punishment is not averted from the guilty people.
"12.111": In their histories there is certainly a lesson for men of understanding. It is not a narrative which could be forged, but a verification of what is before it and a distinct explanation of all things and a guide and a mercy to a people who believe.
= end comparisons =
It's easy to see in a side by side comparison whether or not this part of the Qur'an is truth, plagiary or forgery. If it is plagiary or a forgery, how can it be a holy book? Since Mohammed did not write ... if it is not the words of Mohammed, whose words then? Would angels copy other’s work? Would God? If the Qur'an is a forgery, what of Allah?
So yes, plagiary matters enough to discredit a major religion. This is just one small section of the Qur’an. You have the tools now to expose more. - hiscity, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1= begin comparison part 2 =
41:4 And the ill favoured and leanfleshed kine did eat up the seven well favoured and fat kine. So Pharaoh awoke. "12.43": And the king said: Surely I see seven fat kine which seven lean ones devoured; and seven green ears and (seven) others dry: O chiefs! explain to me my dream, if you can interpret the dream.
41:8 And it came to pass in the morning that his spirit was troubled; and he sent and called for all the magicians of Egypt, and all the wise men thereof: and Pharaoh told them his dream; but there was none that could interpret them unto Pharaoh. "12.44": They said: Confused dreams, and we do not know the interpretation of dreams.
41:13 And it came to pass, as he interpreted to us, so it was; me he restored unto mine office, and him he hanged. "12.45": And of the two (prisoners) he who had found deliverance and remembered after a long time said: I will inform you of its interpretation, so let me go:
41:15 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I have dreamed a dream, and there is none that can interpret it: and I have heard say of thee, that thou canst understand a dream to interpret it.
"12.46": Yusuf! O truthful one! explain to us seven fat kine which seven lean ones devoured, and seven green ears and (seven) others dry, that I may go back to the people so that they may know.
41:26 The seven good kine are seven years; and the seven good ears are seven years: the dream is one. "12.47": He said: You shall sow for seven years continuously, then what you reap leave it in its ear except a little of which you eat.
41:27 And the seven thin and ill favoured kine that came up after them are seven years; and the seven empty ears blasted with the east wind shall be seven years of famine. "12.48": Then there shall come after that seven years of hardship which shall eat away all that you have beforehand laid up in store for them, except a little of what you shall have preserved:
41:29 Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt:
"12.49": Then there will come after that a year in which people shall have rain and in which they shall press (grapes).
41:34 Let Pharaoh do this, and let him appoint officers over the land, and take up the fifth part of the land of Egypt in the seven plenteous years. "12.55": He said: Place me (in authority) over the treasures of the land, surely I am a good keeper, knowing well.
41:40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou. "12.56": And thus did We give to Yusuf power in the land -- he had mastery in it wherever he liked; We send down Our mercy on whom We please, and We do not waste the reward of those who do good.
42:3 And Joseph's ten brethren went down to buy corn in Egypt. "12.58": And Yusuf's brothers came and went in to him, and he knew them, while they did not recognize him.
42:15 Hereby ye shall be proved: By the life of Pharaoh ye shall not go forth hence, except your youngest brother come hither. "12.59": And when he furnished them with their provision, he said: Bring to me a brother of yours from your father; do you not see that I give full measure and that I am the best of hosts?
42:16 Send one of you, and let him fetch your brother, and ye shall be kept in prison, that your words may be proved, whether there be any truth in you: or else by the life of Pharaoh surely ye are spies. "12.60": But if you do not bring him to me, you shall have no measure (of corn) from me, nor shall you come near me.
42:25 Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way: and thus did he unto them. "12.62": And he said to his servants: Put their money into their bags that they may recognize it when they go back to their family, so that they may come back.
42:28 And he said unto his brethren, My money is restored; and, lo, it is even in my sack: and their heart failed them, and they were afraid, saying one to another, What is this that God hath done unto us? "12.65": And when they opened their goods, they found their money returned to them. They said: O our father! what (more) can we desire? This is our property returned to us, and we will bring corn for our family and guard our brother, and will have in addition the measure of a camel (load); this is an easy measure.
43:16 And when Joseph saw Benjamin with them, he said to the ruler of his house, Bring these men home, and slay, and make ready; for these men shall dine with me at noon. "12.69": And when they went in to Yusuf. he lodged his brother with himself, saying: I am your brother, therefore grieve not at what they do.
= end comparison part 2 = - parthanant, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3Why blame Google book search alone? I agree with pplant - plagiarism is an old issue.People copy people, sevices don't copy people.
- nusblog, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3print version (no ads)
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