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- dchaosdx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16i'm sticking to betamax and 8-track for my multimedia needs
- flash200, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Too futuristic for me. I prefer chiseled tablets and papyrus scrolls. And for archiving, I backup all of my data as a series of cave paintings.
- visability, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9get out
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7This is something I just don't understand. We get all these CD/DVD combo formats, and now DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray formats...but where's my DVD/VHS/Cassette/Blu-Ray combo format? I've been holding out for quite some time, but for some reason the walmart manager keeps telling me I'm crazy.
- konig12, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Are you saying that you have never filled a DVD to capacity? I know I would greatly appreciate a disc capable of storing more than 9 GB.
- carguy84, on 10/12/2007, -0/+67 BLADES!
- LeeTXJD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Forget it! A single player for multiple formats will not win the day.
The new HD formats are too crippled by DRM. Until you can play ANY disc on ANY screen without regard to the age of the television the technology will not be adopted by consumers at large.
SACD was the music industry's attempt to force a format change on consumers. Customers will not stand for forced changes. BR and HD-DVD are both attempts to creat new demand for old movies by forcing a change in format.
The customer will be way ahead and it is DRM-free digital only files that will take the movie market next. This has already happened with music - most music on mp3 players is DRM free (either home-ripped or bought on itunes, burned and ripped). - dacheetah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I agree, DRM is evil.
We are continually being told that Piracy is theft. Piracy is NOT theft, it's copyright infringement. At no point do pirates actually take something away from the legal owners. (No, they don't take money, the money that they are accused of stealing is POTENTIAL money, most of which probably wouldn't be spent if piracy didn't exist).
DRM, now THAT is theft. We pay for something, and then they take it away.
Long live the free formats! - kingygk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It would be great if it comes out. Also Companies please note drop the new hardware drm schemes. You are going to alienate your customer base. If only us geeks understand the technology you will severely limit your market share.
- Phobotron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Four formats? Now I'm confused, I only see three. Are they going to put the soundtrack on a CD layer as well?
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Personally I would like to see all studios support all formats and let the best standard win. A hybrid standard along with pricing strategies more in line with DVD would speed acceptance of any new format. Any new formats whose players are $1,000.00 and up is just not ready for the mass market.
Unfortunately, most movie studios are not motivated by what consumers would prefer. To them we are the enemy, all of us. - 1337director, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i work at a production house, and at this moment we're upgrading to HD. 40,000 bucks, and no real delivery system. You can't author a DVD in HD for less than 100k right now, so all you get is a pretty SD picture on DVD. No client has a blu-ray player...the only real delivery system is quicktime...this technology is a joke. someone needs to win...we had analog HD in the 80s and HD still isn't completely mainstream.
- Sagags, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4i dont think im going to be buying anymore physical media, Downloadable content is the future man!!
- FireStrife, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You know the movie studios are the biggest winners here. They were probably crying when they knew of the upcoming format wars. Now that they can do 3-4 formats on a single disc its not such a huge problem anymore.
- DuhVinci, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2These new technologies just are vehicles for selling consumers on a stronger encryption and DRM. Stick with DVD. It's cracked and good enough!
- alternnate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"HD formats are necessary"
Correction: higher capacity formats are necessary in the Computer Technology context. HD formats are not necessary in the movie-selling context, which is the one the dugg article is about.
The bottom line is that with DVD there was an obvious necessity that was satisfied, from the consumer's point of view (the leap between VHS and DVD was huge). With HD-DVD or BlueRay, there isn't a big necessity being satisfied for the consumer, in terms of bringing movies in digital format to his living room. The new formats are better than DVD, no question about it, but is that improvement enough to convince the vast majority of consumers to upgrade their players and movie collections? Not really... In fact, the only thing being satisfied here is the necessity for large hardware/movie companies to sell more and more.
But anyway, I wasn't referring to the computer usage of HD formats in my post. - dacheetah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Quicktime isn't a real anything, other than a pain in the arse.
But that's just my opinion.
Also having the HD content now is going to be good when HD formats are more common, can you imagine if say the original star wars movies were recorded in HD, and you when these HD formats came out you could watch such classics in high def, without having to rely of "digital remastering"? (Thus without having to see Hayden Christianson inserted into a movie that USED to have a good ending) - diggalf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Supporting three formats on one disc: doesn't that defeat the purpose in having the extra capacity (presumably, to provide more content and of a higher quality)?
- millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'd switch to Laserdisc myself, if I could find a Laserdisc-RW drive somewhere. New Egg seems to be out...
- pcheaven2k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Alright lets say ya bought a fancy as HD-DVD or Blu-Ray Burner capable of burning at the same speed as a 16X DVD.....If you burnt say 30GB (verses 9) it would take like three hours per $50 disk.....I think I'll wait till HD/Blu Combo drives drop to $200 with a speed equivelant to 48X (DVD) and the disks are under $5 each.
- np374, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1what's the point, of paying more? just get a hybrid player.
- dacheetah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I hope he's kidding. I can't wait for Blu-ray to come down in price and settle at it's higest capacity. Having over 50GB per disc is going to be great, albeit necessary. I remember when Dad got the first CD burner I ever saw, (a 2x) and I thought it was great. It may have taken almost 45 minutes to burn a full data cd (data cds often failed at 2x, but were very reliable when burnt at 1x), but it freed up a fair chunk of HDD space. Then I got access to a DVD-Burner, (which was also 2x) and I thought great! I can free up space in 4.4GB chunks! (a few of the DVDs failed, after I delelted the original content, which was anoying) but that was good. Now I have my own DVD burner that writes at 16x reliably, and it's getting to a point where I need bigger mediums to backup my stuff. (Hence my 300GB external HDD, and a HUGE stack of DVDs)
HD formats are necessary. Having two of them isn't, although at least it guarentees that there will be some competition, which could improve both formats, and if we are lucky, drive prices down faster...
(That and I like the idea of video quality constantly improving, and can't wait for the day that we get true VR movies.) - dacheetah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2lmao, this blog seems to be all about insulting other peoples intelligence, yet he has this in it:
"Oxygen doesn't really have a foul odour, in fact it's kind of sweet and tangy, and anyway, these guys surely being astronauts should be used to the smell of oxygen!"
Everyone who knows anything about chem knows that oxygen is totally odourless. Not sweet, not tangy, not foul, but totally odourless.
Also, no one likes a blog that revolves around insults. - oyourmom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ohh i got a idea, make it 5 formats and make it VHS format!
- dacheetah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1np374 has a point...
Think about DVDs, There was +R and -R, and buying discs that were ±R to use in a drive that was only +R or -R would have been ridiculously more expensive. Instead we have players that can read and write both with ease, most people can't even tell the difference anymore, and we are free to buy whichever format we prefer.
Sure this only applied ot writable media, so the movie industry didn't have to worry about producing more than one type of disc. (although, most also made VHS copies, and given the sales they will get, making VHS, DVD, BR AND HD-DVD shouldn't be too much of a strain)
The only thing people will have to worry about is if they have an early player that only plays one format, they will have to make sure they get that format, before too long all players will play both, and then those who don't care, don't have to. - EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, but how much will this cost?
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, you identified the studios' need sell more and more but you forgot the real motivation for format change.
DRM.
The nasty privacy invading disease that purposely restricts you from competing services, prevents making legal backups, and breaks down / stops being supported in the future as an additional means to motivate a future upgrade.
It's true what they say... "defective by design". - webgod61, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Where are you gonna back up that content you downloaded?
- GameGod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The royalties that any manufacturer of this hypothetical disc would have to be would be crazy... (4 format = 4 times the royalties)
- rawis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Isn't it fun when companies fight over who we the customers has to be loyal to.
That worked a time in history but not any more, as the DVD-format war proved.
The interesting thing is that Universal has declared (unofficially) that they will only use HD-DVD because that is the format that will win. I was a bit unconvinced until I remembered that Sony is on Blue-Rays side. Not really a company that has a good track record on these kind of decisions.
Now, the thing with these dual-standard discs is that according to the sources I have, the actual material needed to get this to work, doesn't exist in real life. It only does in theory. A claim I cant substantiate, only forward to you all.
If any one knows something more, tell us. - chicagodigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"...we had analog HD in the 80s "
Are you working for a European production house? - iFrank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've concluded that, as with Betamax and VHS, Blu-Ray will fail, and HD-DVD will control the market. My reason: neither Betamax nor Blu-Ray has an acronym associated with it. It's simple physics...or something like that.
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Hybrid players would likely cost a lot more than hybrid disk.
- alternnate, on 10/12/2007, -13/+8The answer is simple: get rid of the new formats, stick to the already existing one. The great majority of consumers don't need the 2 new high-def formats anyway.
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