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- MikeyMoose, on 01/30/2009, -12/+168This is just plain wrong. Yahoo Sucks! I am "old skool" and am cancelling my account.
http://rebekkagudleifs.com/blog/2007/05/15/freedom-of-expression-telling-the-truth/ - smaragd, on 10/11/2007, -9/+114Rebekka is seriously one of flickr's most talented, best-known, most respected and best-loved members. She's a true artist, and certainly one of the handful of people closest to flickr's very heart.
If flickr lets this stand, and does not do something DRAMATIC to make right, flickr's reputation will be severely damaged by this. Flickr could see the sort of massive rebellion that struck Digg only a few weeks ago. - mykos, on 10/11/2007, -7/+104Sounds like it's a case of who they would lose more money from--a corporation with lawyers or a beautiful girl who takes great pictures. Flickr chose to please the lawyers. Boooooo!
- Shaman760, on 10/11/2007, -1/+94If Yahoo turns information over to the Chinese government that gets a person jailed for years, do you honestly think they give a flying ***** about someone's art?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4221538.stm
Yahoo is way off the evil charts here. They need to be deprecated. - LukeD, on 10/11/2007, -27/+119@fkr3 - It seems you are obviously deluded, thinking your American laws extend beyond your national borders (Christ knows your government suffers from the same problem). The DMCA doesn't apply to a British company, nor does it protect an Icelandic photographer.
- mykos, on 10/11/2007, -7/+89Here's a couple self-portraits of the photographer:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rebba/395320678/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rebba/17682638/in/set-454414/ - Scruffydan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+60Looks like flickr realized their mistake... hopefully they also learned from it
from her photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rebba/500114525/
"since posting this, i have received an apology from Flickr HQ, for removing my previous post, which had 450 comments (long , meaningful comments, about how selling other peoples stuff for profit is a crime, and advice and suggestions on how to deal with it) and had over 101,000 views in 24 hours.
im relieved that they owned up to their hasty action of removing the photo. thats something." - tjex, on 10/11/2007, -7/+49Goodbye Flickr, hello Picasa
- zioxide, on 10/11/2007, -16/+57"I agree, I'm canceling mine as well! Lets hit them where it hurts!"
Wow, like 10 people out of their millions of users canceling is really going to do something! - ahawks, on 10/11/2007, -8/+45To everyone pitching in with her self portraits, and how beautiful she is: Shut up.
Her beauty has nothing to do with her merits as a photographer, or whether she is in the right or wrong here. - Drewboy64, on 10/11/2007, -4/+38I agree, I'm canceling mine as well! Lets hit them where it hurts! Anyone want to join along? Don't let Flikr get way with this. This persons work is amazing, I think we need to step up! Count me in!
- molecool, on 10/11/2007, -9/+40I just canceled my Flickr account - I mean WTF happened to free speech?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+31@ LukeD-- AFAIK, she can sue in the British courts to recover damages from a British company.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+35yahoo SUUUUUCKS
yahoo is censoring stuff like mad
not to get political but another major example of yahoo censorship was on their voting stuff , they refused to add ron paul, deleted/banned anyone who asked about it
i HATE yahoo
these companies are abusing their position, and the users who got them there - Sphere777, on 10/11/2007, -4/+31Flickr just became a lot less cool in my book.
- scabbers, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23This is the trouble with taking part in "user generated content" - the ***** running the show can censor you.
Whatever happened to having your own website? - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24i was a big fan of flickr. i even organized an online auction on Flickr for the victims of Katrina a couple of years ago.
when i found out they wereselling to yahoo, i canceled my account and never looked back. yahoo is next to microsoft in terms of abusive, monopolistic, greedy behavior. they show their disrespect of their clients at every turn.
this isn't too surprising. - zioxide, on 10/11/2007, -13/+34Well, I don't agree with what Yahoo has done, but I'd just like to point out that this doesn't violate any of your free speech. It's like Digg originally removing the HD-DVD codes.
They are a private corporation and you agreed to terms of service when you signed up. If you violate these terms, they can stop providing this service to you. The first amendment does not apply to this because they are a private corporation. - kevnaca, on 10/11/2007, -1/+21no. they will post the deleted photo set over and over again.
- loudintl, on 10/11/2007, -0/+19I never used Yahoo anything, anyway. Hooray for proactive inactivity!
- fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -27/+45@ LukeD:
a) I'm Australian
b) The DMCA was created exactly for situations like this. A simple takedown notice and the company wouldn't be using her material anymore. And there's still the option to sue them. - johncabell, on 10/11/2007, -2/+18let's hope this was a knee-jerk reaction by a flunkie following the book. someone of substance needs to clarify.
- brewno2k, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17Good were the days Flickr was an independent, well-intentioned company trying to create the best photo community site out there. Back then, they actually listened to it's costumers. Flickr's gone, only the name remained. Yahoo is there, profiting and censoring. Want to protect your photos? Save the full quality for yourself and post only a resized version.
- silverwolfe, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17THIS IS MADNESS!!!
- nakani, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15We live in a Capitalist society, so the best way to protest Yahoo's behavior which we don't agree with is to boycott them. Stop using Flickr, stop using Yahoo! search, stop using Yahoo! Mail. Democracy through Capitalism.
- mykos, on 10/11/2007, -6/+19@ahawks
Yeah, but it sure doesn't hurt to see some lovely pictures, that SHE TOOK AND MADE PUBLIC ;)
And she knows how pretty she is; I'm sure she wouldn't take much offense to someone spreading the word. - alabut, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15Wow, what a coincidence - I just added Rebecca as a Flickr contact today because she was mentioned in a newspaper article as one of Flickr's most popular photographers and I can see why. She's the kind of power user that continues to give Flickr free press!
- cyrusbryan, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14this is really disturbing. after being a member more than two years on flickr--since february 2005!!!--for me to see NO ONE at flickr mitigate this on Rebekka's side and put these scam artists out of business is deplorable. But on top of that, to effing censor her and Thomas? Truly weak on Caterina and Stewart's part. Disappointing does not begin to cover it. Can you imagine what will happen with other free speech issues if this is how they treat all commercial free speech revolving around mere issues of *fraud*?
- SirStevieB, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15I'm a "long term" user and, until now, fan of Flickr. This is outrageous treatment of a respected community member. I too will consider closing my account if this is as it seems at face value.
- lahdeedah, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15Flickr really screwed up by doing this. That company that ripped of Rebekka couldn't take the heat and they only know low down tactics. I'm surprised Flickr even listened to their complaint.
- podsafegear, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Don't know if this has anything to do with the controversy, but the site that was stealing pics has disabled the shop and the contact form.
http://www.only-dreemin.com/index.html - WraythX, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10@weeeeeeee - it is a typical styling of name for an Icelandic female - you take the father's firstname (or, rarely, the mother's first name) and append "daughter of".
eg: Guðleifs + dóttir = Daughter of Guthleif.
Björk, the singer, is the same: Björk Guðmundsdóttir - her father is called Guthmund. This also means that a brother and sister don't share a surname - Bjork's brother would be Guðmundsson.
Incidentally, the poster spelt Rebekka's surname incorrectly in the submission. - nakani, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10And the beauty in taking part in user-generated content is you can boycott them as well when you find out you're being censored ;)
- smithco, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Flickr allows users to select their CC license. For the selected restrictions (any of non-commercial, no-derivatives, attribution), it is not necessary to ask permission. But, to do something beyond the CC license requires permission. So, it is really up to the photographer to select the CC license he wants.
I choose to leave my photos open for free non-commercial use. If you don't intend to make money from my pictures, you may use my photos without any extra permission. But, if you want to use my photos for commercial purposes, you need to ask me first. Of course, when I'm asked nicely, I tend to say 'yes'. And so a few people have used my photos for commercial works. It's amazing how few people realise that taking a moment to ask for permission usually results in a 'yes', and can save a whole load of problems later on. - tosusan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Just like it's spelled.
- Zero2aHero, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8I found this in the help FAQ
" I'd like to use a photo I found on Flickr. How do I do that?
We don't act as matchmakers, so contact the photographer yourself. Only members of Flickr can send messages to one another, so if you haven't created an account, that's your first step.
As a member of Flickr, you can move your mouse over someone's buddy icon and click the little arrow to open the "person menu." Then select "Send FlickrMail" and compose your message. When you contact a photographer, it's best to include as much info as possible about the photo, yourself, and how you want to use the photo."
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If yahoo is trying to attract photographers and artists to their site by advertising it as a place to meet other artists and share your work, then silencing someone who got their work stolen is the exact opposite way to go about that. What a complete ***** up of the way this situation was handled. - jjb123, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Email the company that is stealing her work at info@only-dreemin.com.
- alabut, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Oh man, what the hell? Anyone else notice the similarity between the flickr and jpgmag censorship today?
http://alabut.com/nonsense/2007/05/digital-photography-goes-to-hell-for.html - ozroy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10*edit*
nevermind. They apologised - yangj08, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Oh yes-I currently live in China and do not use Yahoo's services for this reason. I turn instead to Japanese services like Livedoor- they wouldn't think to look there.
- kraniac, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7For the 4000th time, the difference between this and downloading music is that Only Dreemin claimed the work as THEIR OWN and tried to SELL IT FOR PROFIT.
If I download an MP3, I don't claim that I wrote it or try to sell it to my friends.
If you can't see the difference, you're an idiot. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7It doesn't change what Flickr did. Sometimes the source isn't the story.
- paku, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10You can add me to the list of people who are closing their flickr account.
- jads, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I find that your advice of not posting it on the internet from a 'former' professional photograher quite ironic...
Name one famous professional photographer worth their salt who does not have their work displayed on the web?
Besides. If you are really really really concerned about theft, then watermarking is a way to go. Rebeka was a photographer who was in it for the creativity and wanted to share her talent with the world. I think telling everyone 'don't post on the internet' is quite narrow-minded, especially in this day and age.
What a douche. - GlennF, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Thomas Hawk, who posted this, is the head of a small firm competing with Flickr (small, but with powerful tools). He's quite good at identifying bad behavior, and he discloses in the post that he's the head of a competitor. Still, he spends a lot of time writing about how Flickr or Flickr-via-Yahoo has done this or that bad thing.
- monergism, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Did anyone read the license of flickr? Is this permitted under Cretaive Commons?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Yahoo! is out of control. Censorship on FLICKR AND in Yahoo Answers too! Amazing!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5So she is meant to be punished because somebody, unbidden, did something stupid on her behalf? Sorry, the world doesn't work that way.
- birdwatcher3000, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7So what is the lesson we should learn about this?
Place a HUGE transparent watermark from the bottom left corner to the upper right corner of your picture before you post it anywhere where it can be stolen, or just use thumbnails.
Flickr is not the place to store your pictures. Get an HD for that. - gamebittk, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Yahoo's on a social website aquiration spree. They buy good sites, than ruin them. I'm afraid for del.icio.us -- also, they're trying to aquire Facebook -- hope they don't go through.
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