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- sidd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+69Interesting that just as many people are using Firefox 2.0 as are using IE7
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+68Firefox is too good. That's all I wanna say
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -4/+33Someone asks this on every story, I'm sure you can google the answer by now. Go try.
- jtdgrz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28IE7 isn't free. You 'must' purchase Windows XP/Vista to use it.
- Biker803, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26Unfortunately, most of those sites just tend to have a higher percentage of Firefox users when averaged out. If it was across all websites, it wouldn't be so high. Not that I don't support Firefox or anything, because that's the browser I use everyday, but I'm just saying.
- jtdgrz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26Read the topic: Tech Industry News
Filter it if you don't want to read it. - Malakin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21If you're having strange problems with Firefox, such as frequent crashing, you should try starting yourself a new Firefox profile since something is obviously messed up.
If that doesn't work then I suggest completely deleting (or rename) the program folder for it and the profile directory (after you backup your bookmarks somewhere), then reinstall it.
Uninstalling it and reinstalling it will do nothing since this does not affect the profile directory or completely clean out the program files directory. - jtdgrz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20That's a convenience sample. You need to ask people that use the internet, not random people on the street.
- brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Enough people care to get it on the homepage numbnuts. Or are you unfamiliar with the concept of Digg?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22Put me down as A, B and C.
- cruppel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18I agree there's just no way...besides 4000 sites? that's like asking 100 americans their ethnic roots and publishing a 'study' on cultural demographics.
- ngsayjoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17The statistics is flawed, I can't seem to find UK, Korea, Japan, Israel, etc. in the top ten countries chart. I can't believe Malaysia is no.8 and Latvia is no.7. Yes, I'm from Malaysia, and I don't think Malaysia represents the eight largest web surfing population.
Interesting is, I run a website that has more Firefox users than IE users. - gsnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16This is good for web standard compliance off of any browser. Firefox, Opera, and Safari help each other.
- adspigot, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22My site has a 70% Firefox userbase.
- jtdgrz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14But the point is you don't need to purchase an O.S. to use Firefox. It is illegal to use IE7 if you have not purchased XP/Vista, therefore you MUST pay to use IE7 legally.
- lagnut, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Expect it to change when M$ rolls out all localized versions on Windows Update
- sfgeek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12What I find frightening is that so many people STILL use IE. I encounter non-techie people that have no idea what Firfox is, or they say "I've heard of it, what is it?"
But what REALLY blows my mind is that I used to consult to the security & networking wing of a large government agency, and MANY of the tech people there still used IE. It absolutely was mind boggling.
Being a security professional and using IE is like being a mechanic and never changing your oil. - Nebbie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Mozilla Corporation makes more money the larger market share Firefox has. According to the entry on wikipedia, Mozilla made over $10 million last year.
- idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13I immediately block everyone who says this.
- strangehold, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10The difference between the W3Counter story and your claims is that you're basing your argument on an extremely small population sample ie. your own "bunch" of websites and four random people off the streets.
When you take over 4,000 websites, you get a much better representation of what's out there. Something you couldn't possibly get from your "bunch" of websites. - noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14I like how 90% of the screen resolutions are greater than 800x600. 1680x1050 FTW!
- Ellsass, on 11/05/2008, -0/+7I don't think adspigot was bragging, I was thinking that he was making a point that different sites can have wildly different numbers. How many people use IE to access the forums at mozillazine.org? Or addons.mozilla.org (where you get Firefox extensions)?
- ngsayjoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Yes, Firefox is a wake up call for Microsoft to improve IE, after development stalled for many years since taking down Netscape.
- sscamatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Its scary that there are that many people still using Windows ME.
- Wonderkind, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7>>Usually anyone over 25 doesn't even know wtf FF is.
And your source for this info is...?
I'm 54 and have been using FF for a few years now. Everyone over 25 isn't quite 100% out of touch. Oh, and I know what wtf means too. Pretty snappy, ain't I? - unclejames, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Tons of websites are seeing tremendously high Firefox usage figures. Tons of websites... aren't. I compared two at http://james.cridland.net/blog/2006/12/10/firefox-vs-ie-stats/ and frankly, it looks as though business isn't changing.
- KAMI_no_kodomo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@bigtomrodney:
I have Linux FF2 and Flash9 beta.
But I have noScript in Firefox so I get nu javascript, flash, multimedia files, ... automaticly started. And When I want to se a flash file I open it with Epiphany (same engine as Firefox) becose I don't want those things in firefox. I expicitly made it that firefox can't see my flash install.
And in Epiphany I have to say flash9 beta works great.
Only problem I have is the not GPL compatible license. - cecil_t, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@scratched - new (current) versions of Opera don't identify themselves as IE anymore. This has been the case since Opera 9 which has been out for about 6 months. I don't think that non-Windows versions of Opera ever identified themselves as IE. Also, even when it did disguise itself as IE, the name "Opera" was still in the User-Agent string so any web analytics software worth its salt could still identify Opera properly.
So no, I don't think Opera's numbers are that far off, or are inflating IE's numbers. - drizek, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8"I agree there's just no way...besides 4000 sites? that's like asking 100 americans their ethnic roots and publishing a 'study' on cultural demographics."
*sigh*
Go take a statistics course. A sample size of 4000 is enough for just about anything. The total number of websites is irrelevant.
The reason this may be inaccurate is because it isnt a random sample of websites. - lhnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4That wouldn't make any difference you do realise?
- bigtomrodney, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I'm wondering how many of you guys having trouble are running Flassh 9 beta under Linux.
Nothing like a beta to shake stability! - ngsayjoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Mozilla makes money through endorsement, etc. Google, Yahoo, ...
- grexeo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8'Gotta love the second result on Google for "IE7"!
- patosan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3sicc: "Think about it like this, take 4 people off the street. Ask them if they use FF. Chances are they will say "What's a FireFox?" In order to have 25% share, atleast one person out of the four would have to be like "Oh yea, FF is what I use".
I'd say at least 50% of the people where I work don't know what "an Internet Explorer" is, yet they use it every day.
In this case, usage has little to do with brand recognition. Do you know what kind of fuel filter you're using in your car? - sirhomer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+325% market share is not the 25% user share. For instance, a Firefox user might visit 100 sites a day while a IE user might visit only 5. That makes the Firefox user 20x more visible.
- noamsml, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The more active internet users, however, do use firefox.
- dgolding, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3There are a reasonable number of enterprises switching to Firefox, driven by their security/regulatory folks.
- DoubleMike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Could we all stop replying to these people and just digg them down, please? It's just more comments that we have to scroll past.
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -0/+310 < 4000. Keep studying moron, keep studying.
- flag564, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Market share?
Um, the browsers are free. There is no market to have. - eislandish, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8People always root for the underdog... it wasn't that many years ago when upstart Microsoft (in the Internet arena) decided to give away their new browser called Internet Explorer and caught Netscape fat and happy. Now Microsoft is in the reverse position, finding it's harder to defend than it is to attack. We'll see what happens if and when Firefox dethrones the beast. For now, I'm satisfied to have a choice knowing that even if Firefox never gains anything more that 10-25% of the market share it will be enough to force Microsoft to stay focused on that part of their empire.
- mikeazorin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Damnit, Microsoft is so evil. Automatic updates are the tool of the devil.
- cell00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The ideal would be to have a struggle that forces both side to implement as many good features as possible in order to become more popular.
- kettlechips, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Proof that open source can be profitable.
- warhorse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Can somebody please tell me why FF run extremely slowly in Vista though?
- GamingNews, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Not sure why they're digging you down. I thought that was hysterical.
- Zlatty, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I wish my site had more firefox users. I mean I made it for Firefox and it looks like crap since IE screws up code.
My breakdown is
MSIE 6 39.27%
Firefox 1 26.80%
Firefox 1.5 21.13%
Safari 4.53%
Firefox 2 1.33% - DavisTheDigger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31.5s need to update
- goggleBOX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Here here I'm 29 and I know what FF is! Heck, I even know what songs are in the top 40 this week... but that was because I watched the music channel on saturday night while I sat at home alone :(
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm pulling numbers out of my ass here but I would gues that at least 50% of the population wouldn't know if thy had a problem with IE or not. When someone tries to exploit a security flaw they usually try to be quiet about it.
I didn't have a problem with IE until I started developing and learning about standards and that is still the only problem I have with IE... well, with the exception of the barrage of nag messages every time I try to run courseware. -
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