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- Detritus, on 11/14/2007, -9/+99Eh... the HDDVD code got everyone up in arms for many valid reasons. Not least of which is Kevin Rose's personal history as "The Dark Tipper" and his advocacy against DRM. Complying with that was too hard for many, including myself, to swallow.
This isn't the same at all. This is outright theft of source code we don't want or need. I can't even muster a little chubby of righteous indignation with which to get all up in your face. - EXTER, on 11/14/2007, -9/+83http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3772071/Facebook_Homepage_Source_Code
- EXTER, on 11/14/2007, -6/+58And the Google Cache of the facebooksecrets page still shows the code:
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:fpw5evPWkp4J:facebooksecrets.blogspot.com/2007/08/facebook-home-page-code.html+http://facebooksecrets.blogspot.com/&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=pr - roseap, on 10/10/2007, -4/+47"apparently Digg users aren’t as interested in Facebook code as they are in DVD unlocking codes"
Wow, imagine that.
/sarcasm - tinselsnips, on 10/10/2007, -4/+39This is a completely different situation. If someone had been posting links to ripped copies of HD-DVD movies, I would fully expect and support their removal from Digg.
- Shorties, on 10/10/2007, -4/+28The Facebook source has no legitimate use, the only use is theft for your own site. The HD-DVD code allowed HD-DVD owners to back up their movies that they bought and do what they want with them. (Such as convert a small version for their iPod so that they don't have to buy another copy to convert for their iPod).
- Jon99UT, on 10/10/2007, -5/+23Why do you consider this Kevin getting bitch slapped? It's a take down notice, and Facebook has a right to serve it, and Digg (not just Kevin, but the whole company) can choose to comply or not. In this case, I think it's a much different situation than the HD-DVD code. That was the principal of owning a number, this is a principal of owning code written. Two totally different things in my opinion. I say Digg on, and don't be so quick to judge the company that serves you good content day in and day out.
- Drood, on 10/10/2007, -6/+17It ISN'T theft. It's copyright violation. Just because some ***** idiots say it's theft doesn't make it so by any legal definition. (That's why copyright violation carries higher penalties.)
As for Facebook... I don't even know what Facebook is. Seriously. For me, it's just another one of these retarded little fads that gullible idiots jump on and share far too much information online than is sensible. I assume. I honestly don't know, nor do I care. In fact before this source code bollocks the only time I remember reading anything interesting about Facebook was the rumour that's it's actually a front for the CIA. True or false? I don't really care. - skankyBacon, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11I think the submitter got it right when he said "apparently Digg users aren’t as interested in Facebook code as they are in DVD unlocking codes."
This isn't the same thing as the HDDVD code, as Jon99UT said. - nightstrm, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11Simple, people can't use this to get movies for free, so they don't care about it.
- MasteRR, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10This is proof of why I said the HD-DVD backlash was *****. It had nothing to do with censorship. If it was, this would cause the same backlash. It hasn't, thus the censorship argument is *****.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that both DRM and censorship are evil, but a DMCA takedown should not be considered censorship by Digg, but instead censorship by the MPAA. All Digg did was comply with the notice as they did here. In other words the attack was aimed at the wrong party. - kingkilr, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9For me its the issue of trying to copyright a number, as opposed to something an individual legitimately wrote and is their intellectual property.
- BlakeEM, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9I don't like MPAA and I never go on Facebook so I couldn't care less.
- drewjoh, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7From what I understand he didn't steal anything. The code was accidentally displayed to him and he copied it. Or was that incorrect?
- knyghtryda, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6This is one case where the DMCA MIGHT (and thats a mighty big MIGHT) be used properly. If anyone jacks source code and posts it, I don't have too much sympathy for that person if the government comes a knock'n, and its probably to the benefit of most to have the source removed. I love to hack just as much as the next guy, but come on... have some kind of personal morals and know where to draw the line. Can we get back to hating the **AA's now?
- MikeSD34, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Which is why it isn't theft. He can save it if he wants too. He just can't redistribute it. If he redistributes it, it's a copyright violation, which is not the same as theft.
- Firehed, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6That wasn't the slightest bit of a security issue. I looked through the code - the only thing that would have been a security flaw is credentials to one of their databases.
And if you don't want those pictures of you when you're drunk as ***** cheating on your girlfriend (err, Digg user, nevermind), don't post them. - D3koy, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9When you're getting angry at Google you know you're doing something wrong....
- Firehed, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4It's not even useful to have this, unlike the HD-DVD key. Anyone even moderately familiar with PHP can bang out a page of includes and HTML for layout. Facebook's code isn't the slightest bit special - the only thing it has as compared to any of the many clones out there is it's massive user base.
- JackandCoke, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7The Ultimate Definition of Irony?
- sterken, on 10/10/2007, -5/+8WTF ever happened to Fair Use? It's just a snippet of code, right? Can't we post a snippet of something to discuss it?
- facm, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6I think most of the users that cared about anything tech-related left or stopped caring when Digg started becoming a poor CollegeHumor clone.
Please, take your "Breaking: ZOMG *****! LOL! [PIC]" submissions to sites where they're more appreciated, even if you don't get to see big numbers beside them after you submit them. - SpikeLee, on 10/10/2007, -5/+8So a code that could potentially harm the privacy of many facebook users is leaked? Well lets keep it quiet! People have private items on that site.
- orlandogeek, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Hmm. I had a well thought out intelligent response planned, but I decided to ditch it. It'd likely be lost on you anyway. Some people are just so set in their opinions even when they are ridiculously incorrect. Oh well.
- Atomic1fire, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Which he did
this is the internet
one thing you say/post
can spread like wildfire
and this could count as distribution
as you placed it online for everyone to access - skankyBacon, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3That and it's not interesting.
- Yage2006, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5"sigh"
The 9 year olds are back again .
Its normal they got that notice and its fine they took it down .
And im sure digg users don't care as much because people don/t have a hatred for facebook like they do for MPAA..
This is not at all censorship.
If I had code for something that I made jacked and put up on some sites I would also ask them to remove it. Can't any of you think of things from there angel. ? - a3r0, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I'm sure that viewing a blurry, blue-on-black 715 by 11460px image is much easier than a text file
- Shorties, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Small Percentage? How many people do you know use a De-CSS program today? (Any DVD Ripping Software that breaks the CSS) That HD-DVD code will lead to the HD versions of that kind of software. I buy DVD's so that I can watch them on my TV and iPod, I buy Movies off iTunes so that I can watch them on my TV with the video cable or iPod, (Yes I know I support apple drm so shoot me). And in the future I hope to buy HD-DVDs or Blu-Ray DVDs to watch on my TV and my portable player (Probably still the iPod but we will see who is king in the future).
- Scheissen, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4LMAO@U
- mlindemu, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2This is boring frontend display code (looking at the wired blog comments). There's nothing worth looking at here. If there was a database password or something than this story would be noteworthy. But as it is now, there's nothing to see here. Move along...
- tomz17, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Can we put this into a song?? Print it on a T-shirt??
- bjtitus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Apparently Digg users don't understand the reason why some of us would like to have the code available to the public. Perhaps they never develop anything, perhaps they aren't interested in the code or the workings behind one of the most famous sites on the net. This small bit of code is NOT going to give away major "trade secrets" that will inhibit Facebook's popularity in the future. Even if someone were to copy facebook code and use it in their own site, they would NEVER be as popular. Facebook should lighten up and realize that it is useless for them to even attempt to take this small leak out of their history.
- hoegaarden, on 03/31/2009, -2/+3from a comment above:
"Simple, people can't use this to get movies for free, so they don't care about it." can't get any more true than that. the community will "act" high and mighty about their ideals but the reality they (1) want free hd movies and (2) just want to see chaotic events happen to digg (good or bad). - Diggingspoon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1So facebook's official stance is "This code isn't very important at all and can't actually be used for anything interesting....by the way TAKE IT DOWN RIGHT THIS INSTANT YOU HORRIBLE HACKER CRIMINAL"
- gquaglia, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Who cares
- BonerMachine, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2This story is gone from the front page. While I can understand facebook not wanting their code out there, I could also understand HDDVD not wanting theirs in the hands of would-be pirates as well. This does seem like a contradiction.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I prefer a tattoo.
- Ramaa, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0asdfs
- tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I can't wait for the T-shirts. ;)
- BrewmasterC, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1One question. If something is not published how can it be copyrighted? If there is no copy how can it have extra rights attached to it? Wouldn't this page be trade secrets that have been rendered not quite so secret by an incompetent developer?
- noamsml, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Actually, they're not. One or two of them, maybe, but most people realize that this is nothing to make a ruckus about.
- Detritus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2I honestly see where you're going with this and have had similar displeasure with the MAME and Emu community. They get all uppity about how pirating modern games is something they don't support, but abandonware is perfectly legit which I think is garbage because guess who is making the roms and tech for them...
That is not what is going on here, though. I'll freely admit I download movies illegally, including HD-DVDs, but the outcry from Digg wasn't about that. There were many legitimate reasons to encourage Kevin to fight the DMCA on the 09 code. I wouldn't support someone posting a torrent here to a movie, even if I downloaded the movie myself. I wouldn't support someone posting stolen CC#s here as being free speech. The HD-DVD take-down represented an ineffectual use of the DMCA to maintain DRM; you can't possibly piss off the Digg core users faster.
This Facebook take-down is an ineffectual use of the DMCA to preserve their copyright. I can't fault them for wanting to squash this... no matter how futile and doing so is not an attempt to further violate fair use rights as in the case with the DRM. - rohan2kool, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1http://isohunt.com/torrents/?ihq=Facebook%20code
- Phyltre, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1To be fair, Shorties, if I walked up to anyone I know--absolutely anyone--and asked them what a De-CSS program was, I wouldn't get a single response. If I asked anyone I know how to rip DVDs...still no dice. So, yeah, small percentage, but I agree it's extremely important.
- Wyzard, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1My understanding is that it wasn't a "snippet", it was a complete source file. Facebook has a legitimate claim to copyright infringement against those who distribute it.
The HD-DVD key was different because that can be used to make fair use of a movie you've paid for a copy of, and have a legal right to watch and use fairly. Nobody here has paid for a copy of Facebook's code or has any right to see it. - skoops, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3moron, now this story will be removed in a few days
- chonlal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0why you ...you....you FACEBOOK FASCIST you :-)
- bjtitus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1The code wasn't "jacked" they made a mistake and it was publicly available for awhile. No one did anything illegal to obtain this code, Facebook simply made a mistake and they should treat it like one and not get pissed off over it.
- directsun, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1hmmm, could it be the difference is something that wont fit in a friggin comment as opposed to something that's 32 characters?
Just a thought -
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