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- intent, on 10/12/2007, -31/+153It’s been awhile, and just like many out there, I’ve experienced the new Facebook and the feeds feature that has outraged many people.
Basically, the problem is that the new “feeds” show everyone on your friends list exactly what you have been up to, such as posting on other people’s walls or changing your relationship status. People are complaining that this is an invasion of their privacy and they don’t want other people to see what they are doing on Facebook.
You know what? Shut the ***** up and stop making Facebook groups about how this feature is creepy or otherwise. Facebook is a social networking site, and it’s your own fault that you’re such a friend-whore and have added so many people as your “friends.” How many of these “friends” do you actually hang out with everyday? Would you tell these people your secrets in real life?
All you wanted to do was to impress other people or validate yourself by showing off how many “friends” you have. Well, good riddance.
Don’t do online what you wouldn’t do in real life. There is no privacy on the internet anyways. - matts0344, on 10/12/2007, -4/+47Why are you friends with a potential stalker?
- strcmp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41Funny that people only knew about the existence of the petition groups through the mini-feed.
- ryware, on 07/04/2008, -5/+42This story is directly linked to the Facebook blog. It's interesting to see Mark change his tune so suddenly. His VC must have explained how customers are important for a business to survive.
- adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28"I don't like getting stalked, and that made it too easy"
If you were that worried about it then you wouldn't be posting stuff on the internet - woodie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28I agree better privacy should have been implemented from the start, but I think too many people are whining, bitching, and moaning way too damn much over something that really isn't that big of a deal. I like the new features, no complaints whatsoever.
- intent, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26An Open Letter from Mark Zuckerberg:
by Mark Zuckerberg 2:48am Today
We really messed this one up. When we launched News Feed and Mini-Feed we were trying to provide you with a stream of information about your social world. Instead, we did a bad job of explaining what the new features were and an even worse job of giving you control of them. I'd like to try to correct those errors now.
When I made Facebook two years ago my goal was to help people understand what was going on in their world a little better. I wanted to create an environment where people could share whatever information they wanted, but also have control over whom they shared that information with. I think a lot of the success we've seen is because of these basic principles.
We made the site so that all of our members are a part of smaller networks like schools, companies or regions, so you can only see the profiles of people who are in your networks and your friends. We did this to make sure you could share information with the people you care about. This is the same reason we have built extensive privacy settings — to give you even more control over who you share your information with.
Somehow we missed this point with Feed and we didn’t build in the proper privacy controls right away. This was a big mistake on our part, and I’m sorry for it. But apologizing isn’t enough. I wanted to make sure we did something about it, and quickly. So we have been coding nonstop for two days to get you better privacy controls. This new privacy page will allow you to choose which types of stories go into your Mini-Feed and your friends’ News Feeds, and it also lists the type of actions Facebook will never let any other person know about. If you have more comments, please send them over.
This may sound silly, but I want to thank all of you who have written in and created groups and protested. Even though I wish I hadn’t made so many of you angry, I am glad we got to hear you. And I am also glad that News Feed highlighted all these groups so people could find them and share their opinions with each other as well.
About a week ago I created a group called Free Flow of Information on the Internet, because that’s what I believe in – helping people share information with the people they want to share it with. I’d encourage you to check it out to learn more about what guides those of us who make Facebook. Tomorrow at 4pm est, I will be in that group with a bunch of people from Facebook, and we would love to discuss all of this with you. It would be great to see you there.
Thanks for taking the time to read this,
Mark - mastershake1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23The problem isn't so much that the new features are "creepy" as that they're not user friendly. It makes a ton of sense for Facebook to have this feature because it reduces pull on their servers. But I don't want to log into a site and be flooded with gobs of totally extraneous information. If they're going to have a news feed, they should at least allow users to customize on the front end what type of information is displayed about their friends.
- zacharychaos, on 10/12/2007, -25/+45@intent
Maybe there's no privacy on the internet, but wtf is facebook thinking by force-feeding your information down everyone's throat?
And will people please give it a rest about how your facebook "friends" aren't actual friends. Its a way to keep track of people you've met. THATS IT. Suddenly that's such a crime. - nilobject, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20@electrosoccertu-
Do you run a massive social-networking site? No. It would not take you 5 minutes. Nothing takes 5 minutes in the web development world. Eve lame-ass skr1pt k1dd13s know that. - ModernTenshi, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22I think Mark should have waited a little longer to implement these new, "security," settings. Had he done so, the people who were so adimately opposed to it from the start might have had a chance to actually see what it does, and how the new feeds really are an awesome addition to Facebook. The same ammount of uproar came when the high school and college Facebook networks were merged, and people also threatened to leave Facebook back then. Here we are, sometime later, and no one seems to mind anymore; I was hoping the same thing would happen with the feeds . . . . I've loved the idea since it was implemented earlier this week, and wish that my friends who hated it would have given it more of a fair chance instead of rejecting it the moment they saw it.
- sengo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Props to Zucker for sorting this out within 2 days. It's not often you see such an impressive reaction to public opinion. Sure, they screwed up with the new feature by not giving it full privacy controls from the word go, but they've done second best - impressively corrected the problem quickly and with aplomb. Go Facebook!
- plutarch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I, for one, DEMAND privacy on an Internet site where I post some of the most intimate details of my life!
irony++ - hydr0san, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14new private options are nice, and definetly required
- BrenBeers, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Funny how irony works.
- nlatimer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Am I the only person who is sad that he probably isn't getting stalked?
- TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10If you had a friend as a stalker...he still would have access to the exact same information.
- Jeffrey903, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Thanks intent.
- mruocky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8myspace.com for college/high school students.
- Kilroy2004, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"It's not the friends, it's the other people on the school network that can see my page."
The minifeed and homepage feed don't show information about other people in your network. Only people who are your friends. If people are visiting your profile who aren't your friends, they are stalking you already anyway. You should change your privacy settings. - mruocky, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I didn't think it was that bad...People need to remove themselves from the facebook and get outside once in a while. Plus...privacy issues would only effect people with 290,481 friends (i.e. people who accept all friend requests from anyone). If you only have your real "FRIENDS" as friends...why worry about privacy?...not that there was any huge risk in the first place.
- ccanni1028, on 10/12/2007, -10/+17You still can't completely disable it like I think you should be able to.
News Feed and Mini-Feed will never
publish stories about:
* Pokes
* Messages
* Whose profile you view
* Whose photos you view
* Whose notes you read
* Groups and Events you decline to join
* People you reject as friends
* People you remove from your friends
* Notes and photos you delete
News Feed and Mini-Feed may publish
stories about:
* Things you add to your profile
* Photos you upload or are tagged in
* Notes you write or are tagged in
* Groups you join or create
* Events you create or attend
* Networks you've joined
* Status updates
There is still no way to stop the second group from showing up on it, unless you manually delete every item individually. - firehydra2k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I am kinda glad that they implemented the new privacy feature because I was kinda edgy about the feeder showing certain things, but regardless, I don't think it was an invasion of privacy. This stuff isn't broadcasted to everyone. It's only to your friends. If you're not comfortable telling your friends what's up in your life, then I guess you don't really have that many friends, then.
Too many people took this too seriously. It's like they think their friends are pedophiles or something.... - sengo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8A social networking site spawned for University students that lets you track your friends' status and stay in the loop with your home doggs.
- Jeffrey903, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Can someone please post the entire article here? I'm at school and the Facebook website is blocked.
- danjal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7thanks, shesh, last time i ask a question.. i noticed i got dugged down for being uninformed...
- woodie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5There are also personal information sections like 'Home Telephone,' 'Home Address,' 'Cell Number,' etc, which are voluntary sections you can fill out. And people wonder why they have stalkers, it isn't the Feeds.
- ryware, on 07/04/2008, -0/+5Facebook is actually not like that. It doesn't support HTML in profiles and most of the members are in college. You need an dot EDU email address or an invite to join. Around half of the user base is over 20. It's not about dating as much as it is about maintaining preexisting relationships.
- Gm7Cadd9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I can't believe how up in arms everyone is about this "invasion of privacy" There is nothing posted in this mini feed that you couldn't find out from going to the persons profile. If you don't want people to know about it, then don't put it in your profile!
- Qoogirl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@Kilroy: "You shouldn't be reading the article unless you have at least some prior knowledge."
I'm sorry, but you can't be serious? The logic doesn't fit. If you read about something new in an article, you should stop because you're not familiar with it? Oh, come on, now. What a bad attitude.
In other news--I joined facebook because I had college friends who insisted. I HATE photo-tagging. I am aware that many of my friends' albums are friends-only (not all are), but the fact that someone can just jump around through your name and see everyone you hang with, everywhere you go because someone thinks it's nice to remind themselves who you are? I hate it. It just feels odd. Social networking sites are nice, I've joined many, but only facebook has this feature I disliked. I think it's good Facebook is trying new things with feeds and all, but am more than pleased to see they're adding privacy features. Just because one is friends with someone doesn't mean they need to see your every move. This sort of thinking is very black and white. Just as in real life, one's friends have different levels of closeness, why should facebook be so different? - Hoov, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Come on, Facebook doesn't appear to be a Myspace ... yet.
- thatbox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Now it'll just be annoying that some information will be in the feed (your friends who don't disable it) and some won't be, so if you're curious you'll still have to troll through friends pages and photo pages and notes pages and whatnot.
- Pushkin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook
- danjal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4well to be totally honest, i didn't till mruocky summed it up nicely, so hats of to him :)
- BrenBeers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Have you even used facebook? Cause the user can't code there own pages with bad HTML, that would be myspace you are thinking about. And there is nothing wrong with social websites. Hell look at digg. digg is a social news website.
No don't get me wrong I am not saying social websites are the best thing since sliced bread. I think they have there place in this world. But do go opening you mouth until you know what is coming out of it. - weiran, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13intent is right. If you don't want your friends knowing about stuff.... then why add them as a friend!
It's only the friend whore that has the problems, and screw them anyway. - TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I thought you were being sarcastic....you really didn't know what facebook was?
- mt066, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Yeah Kilroy, don't put up with this "asking questions" *****. Digg is only for people who already know everything about anything. And you shouldn't be reading articles unless you already know everything the article is talking about.
- spidoman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4New changes are fine, but it'll still make people complain that you can't completly remove yourself. Which you can, it's called don't use facebook. The Feed didn't take away any pricacy, Mark knows, this and so he made it so you can get rid of the useless stuff it shows, but it's still gunna show the stuff that you could easly find out by going to your friends list.
- coheedcollapse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's sort of like how people don't get antsy about their own mortality until they're reminded of it. Uneducated people on the internet think for some reason that what they put up there is private unless there is a noticeable public broadcast of it.
- MalDON, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I actually this makes Mark a better person. Not many sites would have fixed the problem this fast. Just look at MySpace, remember how long it took them to fix the account viewing problem?
- ekboost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3i just thought it was great that facebook responded so fast. Two days people....that's a coding spring if i ever heard of one. You can't expect companies to get everything right but if they hear feedback and correct things that fast, you can be sure they're looking out for the users and know how to run a web site.
Good job facebook. - dcipjr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That's not true – you can see anyone in your network's mini-feed, although unless you're friends with that person, the information in the mini-feed won't show up on the homepage.
I think they missed the boat on the privacy features, honestly. Sure, they now let you turn off some information, but you can't turn off joining groups, specific profile updates, etc. So, "John is a member of 'The Largest Facebook Group Ever'". "Kate likes pirates". I don't really care – that's where the information overload came in. They also should let you deactivate the mini-feed altogether, which they don't - cybersamurai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4As someone who singned up after the new changes, I really like them. They let you see things going on with all your friends, and the whole point of this is to be social networking, so it seems like a cool idea. I realize that there is some loss of privacy, but that's basically the equivalent of old-school gossip the way I see it.
- coheedcollapse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Funniest thing about this is that all of the people who were up in arms and joining "OMGZ I HATE NEW FACEBOOK - ITZ 4 STALKERS" aren't doing anything. They aren't changing their privacy settings at all. I had a feeling that would happen.
- nicepants, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Absolutely right, and that's what I've been saying all along.
These people are, in effect, posting a billboard, and then getting upset that their billboard was in the newspaper. - scottie924, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The feed gave nothing new, just easier to access. Anyone can see if you wrote on someones wall, changed something in your profile, left a group, etc. I personally liked the feed, but the option to now show things should have been in place before launch. But if you think, not too many companies can mess up, then two days later, admit it, fix it, and apologize. Kudo's to Mark for getting this taken care of.
Stalkers shouldn't be your friends, and if you don't want calls, then don't put your number, or have a private profile. Privacy wasn't an issue ever. This just opened some peoples eyes to exactly what someone could know about someone else. My life is on the Internet and if there is something I don't want people to know, then I don't post it. Seems logical.
I still love FaceBook and don't know how many friends I wouldn't talk to or have found or got to know better without it. Friends from elementry school, met on trips, etc. - devoinregress, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3To everyone saying that they don't want to be flooded with all of this info just click the triangle on the left of the mini-feed on you're profile and their you go. The home page can't be any more annoying than myspace adds that you have to click through when you log in.
and I have to completely agree with intent. you are releasing all of this info. If people want it they can get it. It may be scary to see it all in one place so you realize how much info is their but it's your own fault it is their. - mt066, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Soooo sorry Mr. Spell-it-all. Besides, you're splitting hairs over something stupid. Facebook comments and friend additions are "reasonably private." You can track them if you really want to, but they weren't being broadcast to everyone you know. You said yourself that AIM conversations aren't totally private either. The point is, when you change the environment in the middle of the game, it makes people feel uncomfortable.
Seriously, you people have to stop picking out insignificant ***** in my comments and making a huge fuss about it. - OandA, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@modern tenshi
I believe the opposite is true. I think if mark had proper privacy control when the feature was launched he would have avoided this problem and people woul dhave grown to use it and understand it. I think eventually people will start understadning the news feed and start allowing themselves to appear on it. Adoption probably would have been faster if he didn't piss people off. -
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