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FBI Uses Patriot Act Against Internet Archive But Loses
blog.wired.com — The Internet Archive, a project to create a digital library of the web for posterity, successfully fought a secret government Patriot Act order for records about one of its patrons and won the right to make the order public, civil liberties groups announced Wednesday morning.
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- nahsrocketeer75, on 05/08/2008, -1/+212It's nice to see civil liberties win one for a change.
- NYankee2003, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2I'm wondering what I'm presuming the "or [other agency] or [division of the FBI]" is, under redaction on page 2??? Thoughts anyone??
PDF: http://www.aclu.org/pdfs/safefree/internetarchive_ ... - Hangly, on 05/08/2008, -2/+10What's Obama's position on the Patriot Act?
Not implying anything, I really want to know.- Nuttyguy, on 05/08/2008, -1/+15I believe he voted for it and still supports it. Time to get dugg down for telling the truth.
- Hangly, on 05/08/2008, -2/+7Well... *****.
- Asrrin29, on 05/08/2008, -5/+5what a load of worse *****. Obama was not present when the Patriot Act was initially signed in 2001. When the Patriot Act was renewed sometime later, he voted ONLY for the version of the Act that had less powers in it. Instead of wasting his vote to oppose something that had everyone shaking in their boots he fought to at the very least limit his powers. I wish he had been more outspoken about it but when you get handed lemons, you do the best you can do.
- DiggyWiggy, on 05/08/2008, -0/+6You're right, he didn't vote for the Patriot Act. He ONLY voted for the Patriot Act Renewal. Apparently he did so as a "compromise", but he did so nonetheless. You can't really justify it if you oppose the Act in the first place, because the renewal not only extended the Act indefinitely, but added more power and scope in some areas, not just adding safeguards in others like Obama implies. Don't think for a minute that this is the good, safe version of the Act, or anything like that. Here's his speech about it:
http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060216-floor_statem ... - kemp34, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Face it Obama supporters, Obama wants the powers of the PATRIOT Act if he is elected president. You have been shammed if you think he wants the Act repealed.
- Nuttyguy, on 05/08/2008, -1/+15I believe he voted for it and still supports it. Time to get dugg down for telling the truth.
- deniedproject, on 05/08/2008, -0/+7Civil liberties what are those again?
- DangerMouse9, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1The freedoms that other countries enjoy that we in the US only dream about and hope we can achieve someday.
- NYankee2003, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2I'm wondering what I'm presuming the "or [other agency] or [division of the FBI]" is, under redaction on page 2??? Thoughts anyone??
- kelvlam, on 05/08/2008, -0/+76one for the EFF!
- funkyjunk3, on 05/08/2008, -0/+29Really. They are on the front lines against illegal wiretapping, and now they're on the front line against these FBI nastygrams. I shudder to think what we would do without them.
- Yodacola, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1Not care?
- NYankee2003, on 05/08/2008, -2/+9Isn't the point of the internet archive that anyone can access it? Evidently the FBI can't work the internets' series of tubes well enough to just search. maybe next they'll send an NSL to Safeway demanding to know the price of milk.
- Doriath, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1wow.
- funkyjunk3, on 05/08/2008, -0/+29Really. They are on the front lines against illegal wiretapping, and now they're on the front line against these FBI nastygrams. I shudder to think what we would do without them.
- phanophish, on 05/08/2008, -1/+42The bad part is the settlement effectively imposes a NDA on the entire case for the Internet archive. Even in the event the FBI's use of NSLs is later found to be unconstitutional the Archive can't then disclose the nature of the NSLs because of agreements within the settlement. The settlement they signed prevents them from doing so regardless of the constitutionality of the overall law and any future court decisions.
- milkmage, on 05/08/2008, -0/+9I don't think that's true in this case: "He was allowed to speak publicly Wednesday under a rare settlement in which the FBI agreed to withdraw its letter and lift the gag order. That should show other librarians, and members of the public who receive any of the nearly 50,000 national security letters the government issues each year, that "you can push back on these," Kahle said."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2 ...- MiDri, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1An NDA is a contract correct? And no contract is valid in the United States if it facilitates illegal activities, so if it is later found unconstitutional, does that not make it illegal for the government?
- Yodacola, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1With an NDA you cannot be criminally prosecuted, but you can be civilly prosecuted and have your reputation lost along the way.
Same way how selling pirating movies isn't the freedom of the press.
- Yodacola, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1With an NDA you cannot be criminally prosecuted, but you can be civilly prosecuted and have your reputation lost along the way.
- MiDri, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1An NDA is a contract correct? And no contract is valid in the United States if it facilitates illegal activities, so if it is later found unconstitutional, does that not make it illegal for the government?
- milkmage, on 05/08/2008, -0/+9I don't think that's true in this case: "He was allowed to speak publicly Wednesday under a rare settlement in which the FBI agreed to withdraw its letter and lift the gag order. That should show other librarians, and members of the public who receive any of the nearly 50,000 national security letters the government issues each year, that "you can push back on these," Kahle said."
- Jenadae, on 05/08/2008, -3/+200***** THE PATRIOT ACT!
- thorgrim, on 05/08/2008, -4/+82In America, the Patriot Act ***** you!
- grimward, on 05/08/2008, -2/+8Usually I digg down meme's, but in this rare instance it's actually so balls on accurate.
- KidFlash2, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2Soviet America is a new meme.
- Yodacola, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1America is far from the Soviet Union. I hope the Red Army Choir haunts your nightmares tonight.
- mllawso, on 05/08/2008, -3/+9"But if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide!"
- deniedproject, on 05/08/2008, -0/+8And how! I call that and raise you a ***** BUSH!
- joeanon, on 05/08/2008, -2/+4And Obama voted for it ... twice... along with Real ID.
AND he is supposedly a constitutional expert... whats up with that ?
CAN YOU SAY PANDERING to look tough on terror. - thebaron2, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Did anyone read the PDF of the letter? It doesn't even reference the Patriot Act as giving it authority to get these records. It references Executive order #12333 from December 1981 and the Electronic Communication Privacy Act of 1986. It also specifically says NOT to include subject headers or the content of emails and messages.
I'm all for internet privacy and big wins against the government prying into my *****, but does this really have anything to do with the Patriot Act? These NSL's existed long before the Patriot Act did.- spinchange, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2The Patriot Act enhanced the authority of NSLs and increased the scope of who has the authority at the FBI to issue one. You are correct that the NSL has been around since before the Patriot Act (1978). It has always been controversial but was very, very rarely used and seldom discussed until its powers, accessibility, and use greatly increased in 2001 under the Act. I don't have links at the moment to back this up, but Its my understanding that they were used less than a handful of times in 20 years and since the act passed in 2001, thousands have gone out. Its unclear how many, if any "terrorists" have been caught or thwarted by them. Because of these court cases and public FBI audits, we do know they've gone out to a lot of people like librarians and were issued over 1000 times by agents without the authority to do so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Let ...
I am all for homeland safety and national security, I really am... but If US liberty were religion, these kind of measures would be blasphemy
- spinchange, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2The Patriot Act enhanced the authority of NSLs and increased the scope of who has the authority at the FBI to issue one. You are correct that the NSL has been around since before the Patriot Act (1978). It has always been controversial but was very, very rarely used and seldom discussed until its powers, accessibility, and use greatly increased in 2001 under the Act. I don't have links at the moment to back this up, but Its my understanding that they were used less than a handful of times in 20 years and since the act passed in 2001, thousands have gone out. Its unclear how many, if any "terrorists" have been caught or thwarted by them. Because of these court cases and public FBI audits, we do know they've gone out to a lot of people like librarians and were issued over 1000 times by agents without the authority to do so.
- thorgrim, on 05/08/2008, -4/+82In America, the Patriot Act ***** you!
- funkyjunk3, on 05/08/2008, -3/+83Just the very hint of getting one of these National Scare Letters from the FBI freaks out 99% of the businesses out there, and they just drink the KOOL-AID as they are told to. They take the Blue pill, and without even a bit of thought give the Agents info for their illegal dossiers. And what does the FBI director get for being a bad little boy? A slap on the wrist, told not to do it again.
I think the Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. John Conyers says it best:
"The department had converted this tool into a handy shortcut to illegally gather vast amounts of private information while at the same time significantly underreporting its activities to Congress. We do not trust government always to be run by angels, especially not this administration."
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7006811564- funkyjunk3, on 05/08/2008, -0/+8http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-03-20 ...
- jinxplayer, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Look up the price of a constitutional lawyer. THATS why.
- humanerror, on 05/08/2008, -4/+143Pretty clear at this point that the US government is the enemy of the US population
- HumanCattle, on 05/08/2008, -1/+18Oops! You just got yourself red-flagged, comrade.
- Hangly, on 05/08/2008, -2/+22The US government is enemies with everyone, including parts of itself.
- funkyjunk3, on 05/08/2008, -0/+10The sign of a healthy and self-sustaining government! /sarcasm
- Roryking, on 05/08/2008, -0/+10Just remember, it's one part maliciousness, seven parts incompetence
- mllawso, on 05/08/2008, -0/+8So much for the government serving the people.
- catatonic, on 05/08/2008, -0/+6Which is all the more reason for us to do our part and try to get those we know to get out there and get politically involved.
Our problem is not the government hating us, or being malicious, it's the people forgetting why we have to be there, questioning their every move. That's a normal part of government, public oversight that is.
It's that public oversight (actually the lack thereof), that's the problem. If the government has to answer to us, things tend to run in a more open and honest manner. We need just that....and the first step to that is a minimalistic federal government (something many of us forgot why it was needed, it was to prevent what's going on now).
...and for the record, don't pass me off as a liberal in any replies...I'm about as conservative as they come....except I'm not some fundamentalist nut either.
- catatonic, on 05/08/2008, -0/+6Which is all the more reason for us to do our part and try to get those we know to get out there and get politically involved.
- wiretapped, on 05/08/2008, -44/+2Paranoia.
- TremorX, on 05/08/2008, -0/+34Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
- Neoanarchist, on 05/08/2008, -1/+13^ Ignorance.
- tech42er, on 05/08/2008, -1/+7Cowardice
- drakethegreat, on 05/08/2008, -1/+5blocked
- Hangly, on 05/08/2008, -0/+9You were born with a fear response for a reason. And that reason is so you can respond to DANGER.
If you don't feel fear when there is a clear threat, then you are some kind of evolutionary failure, just like the dodo bird.
- Heidenreich12, on 05/08/2008, -6/+12how can you even be against the Internet Archive? Some of these things shouldn't be issues, there has to be something 'better' to complain about... but, i'm sure i'm wrong (sarcasm)
- Hangly, on 05/08/2008, -0/+15The internet archive puts the lie to government misinformation on a regular basis.
e.g., immediately after 9/11 when Andrews Air Force Base deleted the part of its website that said it was their job to protect Washington D.C. Well looky looky, the Internet Archive still has the original version!- kemp34, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2NICE
- NYankee2003, on 05/08/2008, -2/+3Isn't the point of the internet archive that anyone can access it? Evidently the FBI can't work the internets' series of tubes well enough to just search. maybe next they'll send an NSL to Safeway demanding to know the price of milk.
- Hangly, on 05/08/2008, -0/+15The internet archive puts the lie to government misinformation on a regular basis.
- nicku, on 05/08/2008, -1/+56The EFF does great things. If you are concerned about free speech, privacy, intellectual property and other rights in the digital age, join up.
http://www.eff.org/
- Sneakernets, on 05/08/2008, -0/+7already a member. :3
but seriously, everyone should join that cares about their e-Rights because they're shrinking fast.- tech42er, on 05/08/2008, -0/+10All rights, not just "e-rights".
- Rikkochet, on 05/08/2008, -0/+12I didn't realize they were funded by individuals - thanks for this comment. I just joined and made a $65 contribution.
- Surferess, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1Dugg - For your contribution to my privacy.
- Hangly, on 05/08/2008, -0/+6Still waiting on Torbutton for Firefox 3. Just in case any EFF'ers are reading this.
- Sneakernets, on 05/08/2008, -0/+7already a member. :3
- yellowfish04, on 05/08/2008, -5/+20+1 for teh nets
- GoneFishing, on 05/08/2008, -0/+20Wow, it has been some time since I heard good news about the individual, small business rights in America.
- breezytrees, on 05/08/2008, -0/+6heh don't jump to conclusions now. The FBI probably hacked into the archive and stole the files illegally, which is probably the only reason why they didn't appeal the ruling.
- jarofclay, on 05/08/2008, -13/+28Obama voted for the Patriot Act. What a moron.
- SpookyPig, on 05/08/2008, -14/+16He voted for a revision to the patriot act that actually gave us back some of our liberties. If he had not voted for it, we would be even more repressed.
- jdaniel284, on 05/08/2008, -6/+13Give me a ***** break already with the Obama *****. Obama votes for the Patriot Act that takes away a significant part of your civil liberties, then he later votes for the Patriot Act II (that in many regards is just as bad to worse), and you credit him for giving us back liberties? You are a fool. Don't try twisting a vote for the Patriot Act II into a act that restores individual liberty. Vote for Obama... fine; but don't paint him a libertarian. He's not.
- jarofclay, on 05/08/2008, -6/+17Doesn't change the fact that he originally voted for taking ALL of those liberties away.
If I take all your money...
And then give you $10.
What did I do?
I generously gave you $10.
The spin keeps spinning around and around.- EtherGnat, on 05/08/2008, -3/+6Two scenarios:
1. Obama works to get as many important safeguards as he can added to the bill and votes for it. The bill passes 100-1.
2. Obama takes an idealist stance and votes against the bill. It passes 99-1 without any safeguards.
He couldn't work to get safeguards added and then not vote for it, because nobody would ever take him seriously again when he tried to modify a bill. Obama wanted substantially more modifications, and made a speech on the Senate floor etc. against what he saw as the problem with the legislation. He did what he could though, and I'm not aware of anybody else in the Senate that did more.
And your analogy doesn't fit the situation. It's more like somebody is going to take all your money. Obama steps in and negotiates so they only take 3/4 of your money. It may still suck, but you're better off than if Obama did nothing. - rabidbob, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3Well in my case I'm $5 up so I'm happy!
- EtherGnat, on 05/08/2008, -3/+6Two scenarios:
- knobtwiddler, on 05/08/2008, -1/+8Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act
USA PATRIOT Act Additional Reauthorizing Amendments; Bill S. 2271 ; vote number 2006-024 on Mar 1, 2006
Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision
Motion for Cloture of PATRIOT Act; Bill HR 3199 ; vote number 2005-358 on Dec 16, 2005
- steelmaverick, on 05/08/2008, -9/+3Owned.
- Foofoofoofoobar, on 05/08/2008, -6/+2Obama wasn't even in the Senate at the time.
- jarofclay, on 05/08/2008, -2/+4Don't believe the hype. Stick with facts, they don't fail you.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_li ...- KidFlash2, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Winnity win win win, sir. Thanks!
- Eccles, on 05/08/2008, -1/+13Clinton - YEA McCain - YEA Obama - YEA
Nice choice.
- jarofclay, on 05/08/2008, -2/+4Don't believe the hype. Stick with facts, they don't fail you.
- oddtom, on 05/08/2008, -0/+29The vast majority of our so-called representatives voted for that abomination while standing there belting out "God Bless America!" Anything to look patriotic. Somewhere, Hitler and Stalin are looking on with tears of joy in their eyes.
I've made it a point to never vote for any politician that decided to undermine the American people and further empower the executive branch.- jiqiren, on 05/08/2008, -1/+6So you are not going to vote?
- kemp34, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Ron Paul bruh.
- jiqiren, on 05/08/2008, -1/+6So you are not going to vote?
- SpookyPig, on 05/08/2008, -14/+16He voted for a revision to the patriot act that actually gave us back some of our liberties. If he had not voted for it, we would be even more repressed.
- nbrntrt, on 05/08/2008, -0/+24The scary part is that they have sent out hundreds-of-thousands of these things. That seems a bit excessive to me. I would wager a bet that 90% of them had nothing to do with terrorism.
- rficwizard, on 05/08/2008, -0/+11Of course they did. The American government was terrorizing American individuals and institutions. Do you think people today are more afraid or less afraid to stand up to the government when they believe their rights or the rights of another American are being violated than they were before the September 11 attacks?
- solid12345, on 05/08/2008, -2/+5Anyone ever read some of the archived stuff on google groups, it is pretty scary how casual bulletin board postings are accessible 30 years later. There is also some ironic stuff too about people predicting the future and getting it wrong (or right), like this posting
http://groups.google.com/group/net.nlang.india/bro ...
"In this they remind me of members of the "Hezbollah" sect in Lebanon. While they may be
too diffuse to grapple with, they are not cohesive enough to be instruments of lasting political change." Aug 25, 1985
Or this tidbit
I would like to know Email address of Bin Laden Co, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
Thanks in advance. Javed Masood. Mar 14 1992, 4:08 A.M.- Rotzooi, on 05/08/2008, -0/+6Bin Laden Co is the foremost construction company in Saudi Arabia. While it may be run by family of THE Bin Laden, it is not strange that someone would want an email address.
Scaremongers like you are the reason we are in such a mess right now.
- Rotzooi, on 05/08/2008, -0/+6Bin Laden Co is the foremost construction company in Saudi Arabia. While it may be run by family of THE Bin Laden, it is not strange that someone would want an email address.
- digitallysick, on 05/08/2008, -0/+38***** the patriot act, its just a way to turn the usa into a police state
- sdacvzxvzsfa, on 05/08/2008, -0/+6My DARE officer told me we were already in a police state :O
- Surferess, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1This DARE group is pretty slick and extremely well funded. My children say every year they come to their class and ask for a show of hands on kids who know their parents have done drugs/weed. "Just to get an idea..." they preface it with, innocently.
Although yesterday the Army recruiters came.
- Surferess, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1This DARE group is pretty slick and extremely well funded. My children say every year they come to their class and ask for a show of hands on kids who know their parents have done drugs/weed. "Just to get an idea..." they preface it with, innocently.
- sdacvzxvzsfa, on 05/08/2008, -0/+6My DARE officer told me we were already in a police state :O
- icewater, on 05/08/2008, -3/+23The Patriot Act and Homeland Security are jokes in the biggest sense of the word. I, and many of my compatriots laugh out loud at the incompetence of the US Misadministration. The September 11 tragedy should have been dealt with by Interpol and not the US military invading a country that had nothing to do with it. That's what makes us so mad and history will definitely show that the lies and ***** that Bush and his cohorts have spewed out will be shown for what it is. Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bush are sad little people who unfortunately had too much power. Collectively they have an IQ of about 100 an I'm not sure if one of them can even spell IQ. I just hope that the courts will be able to get them to trial and maybe even get a few capital punishment convictions. I hope that Fox News will show the sentences carried out LIVE!
- boobsbr, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2i don't understand why you are being dugg down.
- mllawso, on 05/08/2008, -0/+6Look at the slavery, Japanese internment, McCarthyism, etc. This is nothing new: America has a proud history of ignoring human rights.
- mchinsky, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1"Sad little bush???" Your the loser spending half your day on Digg bitching that not enough rich peoples money is redistributed to you while hes the president of the United States. Whos the real sad little loser??
- Cornrider, on 05/08/2008, -3/+10***** the R.I.A.A. too!!!
- yellowfish04, on 05/08/2008, -2/+4as a guitar instructor I hate the ***** MPAA even more....***** 'em!!
- KidFlash2, on 05/08/2008, -1/+4This is win! Hooray for the Archive!
- wshwe, on 05/08/2008, -0/+11It's wonderful to see a genuine Bush/Cheney smack down!
- pjrbx75, on 05/08/2008, -1/+8thank god -- they'll never their dirty hands on all those embarrassing personal angelfire/tripod pages!!
- craiginct, on 05/08/2008, -0/+5Yep, this is where Osama and the taliban hide their secrets. I bet they download Grateful Dead and Phish concerts too.
- mfc5200, on 05/08/2008, -0/+23"Nearly all NSLs come with gag orders forbidding the recipient from ever speaking of the subpoena, except to a lawyer."
This is one of my biggest concerns with the Patriot Act. What part of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press" do they not understand?
One of the most intelligent suggestions I've ever heard I read here on digg. The person said instead of reciting the pledge of allegiance every morning (which was written by a Christian socialist in the late 19th century), we should instead just repeat the bill of rights. If I ever start a private school, there is no doubt I will take that approach. Allegiance to a flag with no conditions attached? No f'ing thank you.- pjrbx75, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2reciting the bill of rights would take an upwards of three minutes. way to make your kids HATE the bill of rights.
but i agree.- eggsovereasy, on 05/08/2008, -0/+8Maybe recite two each day so you do all of them every week.
- Surferess, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1Xlnt! Many Americans wouldn't even recognize the BoR if it were put before them w/ no title.
- pjrbx75, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2reciting the bill of rights would take an upwards of three minutes. way to make your kids HATE the bill of rights.
- Hangly, on 05/08/2008, -0/+21Remember when everyone swore up and down that the Patriot Act would never ever be used for anything except fighting terrorists?
Yeah, good times.- homah, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2People should keep this in mind before insta-supporting Net Neutrality.
- NYankee2003, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1I wonder what I'm presuming is an "or [other agency]" is under redaction on page 2?????? Anyone have any thoughts?
- Hangly, on 05/08/2008, -1/+5According to the terms of the letter, anyone who reads it is bound by 18 U.S.C Section 2701(c)(1) not to disclose the contents to anyone.
I just showed it to someone, making me in violation of the Patriot Act.
Haha, come get me *****!- NYankee2003, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2no. no it doesn't say that. it says that to "whom it may concern" at internet archive. Also the article is about how it is ok to share the letter. not that i'm rooting against those "*****" to come get you.
- NYankee2003, on 05/08/2008, -2/+3Isn't the point of the internet archive that anyone can access it? Evidently the FBI can't work the internets' series of tubes well enough to just search. maybe next they'll send an NSL to Safeway demanding to know the price of milk.
- Brundy, on 05/08/2008, -0/+8"Though FBI guidelines on using NSLs warned of overusing them, two Congressionally ordered audits revealed that the FBI had issued hundreds of illegal requests for student health records, telephone records and credit reports. The reports also found that the FBI had issued hundreds of thousands of NSLs since 2001, but failed to track their use. In a letter to Congress last week, the FBI admitted it can only estimate how many NSLs it has issued."
So, they freely admit they don't even bother to keep records? How convenient. It speaks for itself. When is this adminstration going to be held accountable for any of the illegal things they have done?- RonBurgundy76, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2When the citizens they are trampling on decide that they have had enough.
- geffo, on 05/08/2008, -0/+3not only are they invading privacy, they are wasting time and resources for what return? if you can't measure the frequency of use of a procedure you also can't measure the return on it either.
- treeflappa, on 05/08/2008, -0/+3"We all live in a Facist Regime, a Facist Regime"
- Surferess, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1spell chequer...
- fivo7, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2patriot act created to target Osama bin ladin types, gets internet geek Brewster Kahle !
and loses
yipee
can you say misuse of power?
i would name my teddybear (if i had one) Brewster Kahle ! - DestroyFascism, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1I am changing my name to Osama Bin Bombsyalots just to annoy...
- KillaJazzBass, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2The day we will ACTUALLY need the Patriot is the long after its disbanded due to abuse. The Government is shooting themselves in the foot by using it outside the bounds of responsible power.
- nuentendu, on 05/08/2008, -0/+0***** the ***** Patriot Act. You go to Hell and you die!
- FvckingFvck, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1The way back machine is down. . . ...
- neko, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Fantastic choice of name by the way. You can't be against the Patriot Act. You're not... UN-PATRIOTIC are you? *gasp*
- RonBurgundy76, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Typical government mindgames.
- jazzbass1969, on 05/08/2008, -0/+0I just hope who ever wins the presidency in 2008 that they will repudiate the Bush years.
- motters, on 05/08/2008, -0/+3That letter is totally evil. It basically threatens the recipient to remain silent, and also gives no reasonable explanation as to why the information is being requested.
- AvangionQ, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Finally, a small victory for civil liberties ... makes me want to shout to the rafters -- "Give me back my Fourth Amendment!"
- jjwinter, on 05/08/2008, -0/+0Big man walks up to little man and says "let me see those papers." Little man replies, "no." Big man pulls back to swing only to get his arm caught in the constitution. (insert cheering crowd)
- bunghole999, on 05/09/2008, -0/+0Why did they name it the Patriot Act rather than the Terrorist Act ?
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