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- pbaehr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+39"When I asked how the spread of encryption could possibly be compatible with this scheme, they airily replied that only paedophiles use that technology and we would all be better off if it was banned."
That is hilarious (and frightening) on so many levels. - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31@4ndr3wk:
What the hell is wrong with you? - pumacub, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34Yea, this will go over like a President who hijacks a country and takes it to war for personal reasons and profit...
Oh wait.
Most Americans would voluntarily shove a splintered stick up their ass if they thought it would protect them from terrorists. - jguy584, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21This is just the entertainment industry not wanting to face the truth of the world we now live in. They are just pushing their last ditch efforts, no matter how radical they are, to try and stay alive in the future. Unfortunately for all the big men at the top though, the entertainment industrie's future holds no place for them.
Time to accept your fate guys... - ZaNkY, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Frighting in the sense that they are uneducated, right? Or perhaps they actually expect people to believe that crap.....
In the land where freedom is outlawed, only outlaws will have freedom. I'll keep my encryption, thank you very much. I seriously doubt that most pedophiles have the smarts to use encryption, Period. That would be like banning oxygen on the grounds that people like Hitler and Stalin have a little too much of it...... - MemeWarrior, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20More corporate sponsored fascism, yay!
/sarcasm - EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Heh, damn glad I am moving out of the US(Japan FTW!) soon! :-P
I just hope these old greedy bastards running the corrupt corperations in this world die or realize WTF they are doing and fix it!
Please, join us or die! ;-) - tjlsmith, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18More crap from The World's Best People, who own the media. They will take it one day though. They never quit.
- Ramble, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14In England, this sort of stuff is illegal.
- trghpy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Yea, that will go over like a fart in church.
- Altotus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Dumb. First, ISPs are not qualified to determine if something is infringing, nor is it technically possible. If someone downloads a song, did they pay for it? Did the copyright holder authorize it? Does the person have a compulsory license? Is whatever the person doing fair use? How the hell can the ISP know -- heck, how can they tell if something is public domain, who the copyright holder might be, etc.?
Hmmm... If I follow a link from digg to a page with copyrighted content on it, who is infringing? The person that made the page, the person that linked to it, or me for accessing it? What if it was a kid's book report with an illustration from the book? It's fair use for them to use it, even to post it online, but is it for me to download it? What if I stumble across it? Hmmm....
If I e-mail Universal to tell them they suck, can I get their ISP to bill them for it? After all, my letter is copyrighted, and unless it goes straight to the board of directors right away I'm sure it's being copied by someone (or something) I didn't want to.
What if the data is encrypted? Sure, some paedophiles might use the technology, but I'm willing to bet more than a couple of people use VPNs, SSL, TLS -- I'm pretty sure most people ordering stuff online with credit cards or doing online banking are using encryption.
The idea is stupid at many levels. Perhaps most importantly that technically whatever you do with a work is not infringing until so adjudicated by a court. - glucoseboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Lefties wanting to wiretap the internet???
No, this is Big Business wanting to stop filesharing. I equate that with right-wing corporate interests. - angusm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I think this idea makes perfect sense. On a similar note, my landlord should be given the keys to my apartment and made to search the place periodically in case I've stolen anything from the stores in the neighborhood. And "National Geographic" and the "New Yorker" should also be able to have the post office open all my mail in case I'm sending photocopied articles to my friends and family. But let's not stop there. I travel to work by subway. Shouldn't the Manhattan Transit Authority be empowered (and required) to search my bag for stolen articles, weapons and drugs? You never know when I might use their trains while being about to possibly commit some heinous crime against society.
As a potentially dangerous criminal, I applaud these new strong measures. For too long, society has turned a blind eye to my possibly criminal activities and it's time that I was put under scrutiny. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, and the price of eternal vigilance is having someone peering into your pockets every hour of the day, just in case. Don't let me go undetected and unpunished - stop me before I possibly commit another crime! - CatfishJones, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9So who's footing the ever-inflating bill for the computing power required to decode all that encrypted torrent traffic?
- pumacub, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Edit time... bleh.
Anyway, as I was saying, if the sheeple will do that they'll do anything. - masona3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I think it's about time that we DDoS'ed the entertainment industry.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Wiretapping will soon become reality in the EU, where ISP and telcos will have to make connection data available to public authorities for several months ("data retention"). War on terror, blah blah. The side effect (and the triumph of the copyright lobby) is that, at least in Germany, it will be possible for RIAA/MPAA-like organizations to get connection data of alleged "pirates" directly from the telcos without any court orders.
- Amnesia10, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Problem is that they have to sell this one to politicians, who by virtue of this law will be voting on a law to wire tap themselves. Talking of turkeys voting for Thanksgiving!
Now any politician who votes for this will be showing that they are
a) very stupid
b) have nothing to hide
and c) do not want to stand for Congress or the Senate ever again - 4ndr3wk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7oh theres nothin wrong with me, i think av got a bit confused between the actual story about the entertainment and people moaning about gaming. Sorry people!! been drinking to many
there is nothing wrong with me - thunderer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I believe now is the time we start using our handy-dandy 4096-bit encryption keys.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@4ndr3wk
Heck, we could use more people on Digg who can back down and admit they made a mistake! - merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Yeah, encryption is only used by pedos...
..and anyone who's every bought anything on the internet.
...and anyone who ever works with any sort of sensitive data via VPN.
...and anyone who uses SSH. - balkanboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+51984 anyone?
- Tenlow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I think it's high time we started monitoring all phone calls, email, instant messaging, and private conversations for any evidence of a possible crime.
After all, If you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to worry about, right? - yottamedia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Check out a vid with an Australian guy called Privay Is Good?! ABC, FOX, BBC, all u lot. WAKE UP FFS. Piracy is the voice of the people. We are stealing proggies, films, music etc because it's too expensive to buy, it's too easy...but mainly the problem is with tv and dvd distribution. If Lost comes out in October (as series 3 is..check the wiki) in America, when will it be broadcast to the rest of the world? 1 month later...two...six...two years? In Australia they only have a few TV companies, which are not massive bugdet companies that can afford to buy the latest series of a prog...plus there is only a certain amount of airtime. You just can't have every program with like 10 channels. Days are only 24 hours long.
So, what to do about it. Contextual Embedded Advertising. almost every TV channel half uses it, to promote themselves. You know what I mean, the little ABC or whatever watermark in the top corner of a program. BROADCAST COMPANIES - THIS IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE BIT OF REAL ESTATE IN THE WORLD. When LOST is on TV in America, it will be getting watched by around 100k people globally within about....2 hours. No costly DVDs to make, no reels to send anywhere or anything. If they dont wake up and realise that Bittorrent has greatly opened up the sharing community, they are going to lose out with their 20th century business models. When watching a torrent'ed/ usenet shared file, the ad breaks are not in there are they? Because they are a pain to watch. however we put up with the little watermark in the top corner. Get a brain and sell that watermark space instead of self promoting and your business model comes into the 21st century and you can all stop banging on about everyone stealing your films/movies etc. Make the ads relative to the content of the program. Allow programs to advertise brands again, and pop up the url of a biz or something. Sorry, but TV is not the only way to distribute media, and frankly is a very slow and biased method especially with the way news is 'filtered'. The people are telling you to change the way you're doing things....so wake up and do it or be left by the wayside.
In short, quit bitchin about us stealing your content, get with the times and work out a new way to make money from the system that is quickly dying out. Businesses have to evolve or they fizzle. Dont think that because a TV station has been in business for 50 years that it needs to remain a TV station. Become production companies.
Long, long comment as usual from me :) Rant, Rant, Rant
Oh, and just forget how ignorant these people are that are trying to 'protect' big business. OMG encryption is only used by pedos...sheeez!
William Wallace had it about right a few hundred years back. So did the Bill of Rights and Constitution. FFFFRRREEEEEEDDDOOOOMMMMMMM!!! :D - thunderer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Or were you referring to Big Brother using brute force?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3
Yeah,Big Brother's arrived all right and he's sure throwing his weight around.
Soon the whole world will be locked down and DRM'ed...We will only be able to use our electronic devices the way BB wants us to....And I'm sure they have other plans tucked away for their consumers as well...And I know we are not going to like it.
You may want to read Rainbow's End by Vernor Vinge as well.
Disturbing, very disturbing. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6 Oh give me a break...
- ZaNkY, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I know, I saw your point, but your wording was very vague so I played on it :)
Although you have to consider that there is no difference to me of torrenting a file for 5 minutes, or leaving my computer on for weeks at a time superseeding some file. I'm still getting charged the same by my ISP. But I know what you meant ;) - Ryosen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yeah, we say the same thing here in the States. The sad fact is, it's not legal until it is passed into law.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well the industry is clearly pissed off that the *demand* is clearly there in a very big way, yet they have no distribution infrastructure, business plan, or clue about how to monetize that in a uniform fashion. Basically it's a situation where they can't play the game, and don't want the game to continue unless they are in. The other problem is this DRM crap... as it's been seen, it doesn't even work AS INTENDED in many cases. People just aren't going to buy a downloadable movie online unless they can watch it on their TV, iPod, phone whatever... as many times as they friggin want for the one time purchase... and until the industry understands that, and quits being the collective whiny bitch they are, they're going to continue losing out.
How many of us here would bother downloading something if a high quality download was available for $5-$10 that we could use on multiple devices and have license to watch forever... I wouldn't bother downloading... at that point it's less costly in time just to shell out the $5-$10... - libgermany, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The internet must stay free.
It is very important that the people have the possibility to break the law. RIAA, Reps and Neo-Cons often mess up "right" with "possibility". If I don't have the right to do something this doesn't mean there is any reason i shouldn't have the possibility to do it. - HonoredMule, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It was not my intent to imply that we pay by the amount we actually use, merely that ISPs are already being compensated for the bandwidth services they provide to us. Consequently, how the already purchased bandwidth is used becomes a moot point.
- HonoredMule, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The way I see it, I might as well use what I'm paying for anyway. ;)
- Sabin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"What we Americans CAN do is vote abusers out of office."
Or you can re-elect them, your choice. - HonoredMule, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well then my friend, you are paying for 24/7 use of 15Mb/s, and that is banwidth ;) Notably, it is the limit of what you can use, and you would get 0bps if you paid nothing, correct?
- ZaNkY, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You seriously buy your bandwidth HonoredMule?
Personally all I pay for is 24/7, 15Mb/s Internet access.....
Same for MOST cable users, 24/7, 1-5 Mb/s Internet access..... - maehem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@Tenlow
Since I've done nothing wrong, you don't need to know any of the details of my boring life. I'll just keep it encrypted to save you the trouble of having to look at it while you're looking for the bad guys. - Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You're right, we should probably just kill you and everyone you've ever known/been in contact with. Really nip that whole "possible criminal" thing in the bud.
Just out of curiousity, what are your lat/long coordinates? - Shabadoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hahaha...they can bite it.
- jerrro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Never ever let your privacy and freedom of speech be jeopardized!
- HonoredMule, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The people running the torrent clients. And before you ask who's footing the bill for the bandwidth taken by torrents, you guessed it...the people who purchased that bandwidth from (hopefully one of) their local ISP(s).
- yottamedia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ thunderer thanks for that site and that is a pretty cool idea. when you see a can of coke, click it to buy one, or just get more details about it. Like Windoze ToolTips. Cool (not that tooltips are :p)
- MemeWarrior, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ maehem
*Gasp* Paedophile!!!!
/sarcasm (again) - Hurricane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I am afraid that if by some f%$* up miracle this happened I would probably just have to bail on this crazy fad called "The Internet", I would NOT stand for it at all!!!!
- Hegemony, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That just shows how out of touch the entertainment industry is. I'd buy more digital content if it wasn't for the restrictive DRM they thought was such a good idea. Now they think they can force ISPs to spend god-knows how much money tracking every packet? They are more out of touch than I thought.
- maehem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Jeez! If Hollywood wants to act like the government then they should run for Governor or President or something... oh wait., That's already been done.
On the other hand, if they charge a online tax for everything that looks like copyrighted material, then in theory, I've already paid for that material and I can just copy it freely. Depending on the fee, this could work out to the consumer's favor. - BLKMGK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is LAME. This is like "Hey, I went to this party and some guy said that they ought to wiretap everyone!" so I came home and Blogged about it.... Big deal! People say things at parties and they toss around all sorts of B.S. trying to figure out how to solve the situation. That anyone takes this rambling very seriously is amazing. When these guys try to get a congresscritter interested THEN wake me. Until then this is just so much wishful thinking by a bunch of drunk greedy idiots to someone who was willing to take them too seriously.
- ratrip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11984 can only come to pass if we consume it without hesitation. Don't buy it and they wither at the vine. Unless they buy a bill that compels us to purchase their stuff, they are at the mercy of our wallets.
If the situation becomes unbearable, I'm planning on overcoming my fears and start writing and releasing under either Creative Commons or GNU Free Documentation License. - thunderer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What I'd love is some out of the way, context based advertising.
Kinda like VideoClix.
http://www.videoclix.com/showcase.html -
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