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- l800LEMMINGS, on 07/09/2009, -3/+58***** :RIAA
MPAA
ASCAP - Antialias, on 07/09/2009, -1/+53Old media in its death throws.
- BrandonJM, on 07/08/2009, -1/+52And ladies and gentleman, it's time to get off Youtube.
- Tddupre, on 07/09/2009, -4/+51***** these money hungry *****
- inactive, on 07/09/2009, -0/+44"Those contexts now include a YouTube video embedded on your blog or website, assuming your site is not "purely" non-commercial and is deemed large enough by ASCAP."
Yep, they're going for the money for sure - MuckThatGuy, on 07/09/2009, -0/+40"Must... control... everything..."
- BrapAllgood, on 07/09/2009, -3/+36If artists can't get play anywhere because of ***** like this, what good does it serve? They need to realize that promotion is promotion and exposure is promotion and GET THE ***** OVER IT.
I wish the artists themselves would step up and defend their own promotion. Promotion = sales to appropriate listeners. YouTube is a veritable wealth of free promotion for musicians and it should be embraced by both the performers and the labels, as well as the public.
I am a published musician and still I say:
***** YOU, ASCAP! You don't know the difference between your ass and the proverbial hole in the ground. You will reap what you sow and you don't have a damn clue what you are planting underneath all this *****. - Asrrin29, on 07/09/2009, -6/+32I can't wait for the old foogies to die already so that our generation can finally rewrite the copyright laws as they should be as we see them. Old media is indeed dead, and a new model of distribution needs to rise out of the ashes, and unfortunately it can't happen until the people that are completely set in thier ways go the way of the dinosaurs.
- IgorUnchained, on 07/09/2009, -1/+23I cant afford the licensing rights to post it, but JUST IMAGINE the dramatic chipmunk in this post.
- MuckThatGuy, on 07/09/2009, -0/+20That's almost a haiku.
- humperdinck, on 07/09/2009, -2/+18This is why we can't have nice things.
- missourimobile, on 07/09/2009, -1/+14Maybe... Just maybe... When ASCAP or whatever record label puts a video up on Youtube they click that box that says "do not allow embedding..."
Another case of a company not knowing how the technology works... - tgc1, on 07/09/2009, -1/+13Okay, this assumes that you're using music from artists that they represent. If you're not, carry on. These ***** people are scum and judges need to start throwing these cases out.
- inactive, on 07/09/2009, -2/+12I promise you, this is what our founding fathers had in mind for copyrights and the judicial system.
- BrapAllgood, on 07/09/2009, -2/+10I don't know who thinks this is worthy of a red thumb, but let me elaborate anyway....
20 years ago I was deeply involved in the music industry on the retail end (and in radio). Do you know what the big issue was? Pay for play...payola. Those that paid to get play were BREAKING THE LAW. There was a big scene about this in all the industry rags and it was good conversation for many.
Cut to 20 years later and what's the issue? That people ARE NOT paying to play. Seriously, give me a break. This is *****. - jjustin01, on 07/09/2009, -1/+8ASCAP == ASS-HAT?
- foofoobee, on 07/09/2009, -2/+9throes. But yeah, totally agree... the old business models won't work anymore.
- RawOysters, on 07/09/2009, -1/+8How cute, a ***** infant RIAA.
- jlm408, on 07/09/2009, -0/+7The legal jargon-filled equivalent of telling youtube users "***** yo couch!"
- dynamojoe, on 07/09/2009, -0/+7Pot will be sold in 7-11 before copyright laws are significantly altered. There's too much money involved.
- Topher06, on 07/09/2009, -0/+6Well, what do you expect from a bunch of ASsCAP's?
- emezeske, on 07/09/2009, -0/+6ASCAP => ASSCAP => BUTTPLUG
I personally find BUTTPLUG to be a much more suitable moniker for the organization. - bmatherlyjr, on 07/09/2009, -1/+7Perhaps s/he was referring to members of Congress, who come to role call rolling their oxygen tanks.
- TheInformer, on 07/09/2009, -1/+7And use no lube whatsoever.
- exspasticcomics, on 07/09/2009, -0/+6we'll just---- sue the entire PLANET!
remember kids the golden rule of law! the person with the most money.. wins! - jdwusami, on 07/09/2009, -1/+6***** ASCAP!!! The market is going to eject ASCAP/RIAA/MPAA and I say don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. These ***** do nothing but ***** with normal people for the most part. ASCAP is trying to make ringtones a public performance so they can steal peoples money. If you play FM radio in your shop and other people beside you hear it you now owe ASCAP money. If you drive with the windows down and someone can hear your music outside the car you owe ASCAP more ***** money. This is ***** so let me repeat my first statement ***** ASCAP/RIAA/MPAA!
- jdwusami, on 07/09/2009, -0/+5Right and if you sing Happy Birthday within earshot of an ASCAP lawyer then you had better believe they would want some more ***** money from you. I would never invite an ASCAP lawyer to do anything with. After a night with one of those ***** I would owe millions.
- CrimsonBlur, on 07/09/2009, -1/+6Uh oh...
- yacks, on 07/09/2009, -3/+8I would say they do have a right to sue if said music is being played to make a profit.. if it is shown for personal show and tell, I'd say Fair Use... A blog using it to show a video with music if blog has advertising should be sued because they are making money off of someone's else work.. If blog is just personal with no income, then it should be fair use.. simple as that.. even though I'm sure I'd get dugg down just because part of my logic defends the ASCAP because everyone believes they are entitled to get everything for free.. I mean originally the pirates were pirating songs because the music industry was forcing people to buy the whole album, then the music industry gets that fixed and they still cry for free stuff.. It's like running a red light, if a cop pulls you over and writes you a ticket you shouldn't get mad at the cop because you were the idiot who ran the red light.
- 5ean, on 07/09/2009, -1/+6Myspace users.
- TheInformer, on 07/09/2009, -0/+5I've got something that ASCAP can imbed....
- superbobd, on 07/09/2009, -1/+6Money ruins everything :(
- missourimobile, on 07/09/2009, -0/+5umm yeah... i'm gonna need you to work on Saturday...
- inactive, on 07/09/2009, -0/+5How are people supposed to know what's legal and not these days with the RIAA and so many media groups not even following the law themselves when it comes to copyright law.
- Antialias, on 07/09/2009, -1/+5DOH! 4 years of college and still make dumb mistakes!
- gridbread, on 07/09/2009, -0/+4Blindingly obvious paradigm switch, for media and software.
Give it up and get with the times. - WoollyMittens, on 07/09/2009, -0/+4bmatherlyjr, your random characters name confirms to me that you're just a troll, but anyway:
Ascap seems to have time enough to police the internet for Youtube videos. Why don't they simply ask Google to remove the infringing videos instead of harassing people who embed them in good faith? This to counter your own flawed logic. - SuperRu, on 07/09/2009, -0/+4Too many lawyers with nothing better to do. They need to try and keep themselves busy
- Akairenn, on 07/09/2009, -0/+4"If you're not, carry on."
When has not representing an artist or group stopped them from attempting to collect money before?
Internet radio, licensing, blah blah blah. - SuicideMouse, on 07/09/2009, -0/+3Facebook users.
- Cerebron, on 07/09/2009, -1/+4It could be argued that the collection of youtube videos is the work that is making money, not the videos per se.
- TheInformer, on 07/09/2009, -0/+3Currently it's in my girlfriend's pants.
- CandidateZero, on 07/09/2009, -0/+3"You may already owe gobs of money!"
***** that. I'd like to see these goddamn ***** try to apply this ***** retroactively. "Over the last three years, when this current legality didn't exist, you embedded 122 videos on your blog. Give us $14,000 dollars."
Wouldn't happen. - yacks, on 07/09/2009, -0/+3then you sue youtube..
- wassamatta, on 07/09/2009, -1/+4And ascap will collect this money and you'll get your quarterly ascap statement stating "sorry, no royalties have been paid out to you this quarter". Yep I have my silver ascap card too :-)
- theonlywizdum, on 07/09/2009, -0/+3Good, i'm not the only one that thought that. I had to stop reading after saying "ASSCAP" out loud for the third time.
- andythefan, on 07/09/2009, -1/+4their*
- ThisIsSkynet, on 07/09/2009, -0/+3Is it in your pants?
- wassamatta, on 07/09/2009, -0/+2"If you play FM radio in your shop and other people beside you hear it you now owe ASCAP money."
Not true. Back in the late 90s this policy was changed. The store has to be larger than a certain square footage.
http://www.ascap.com/licensing/licensingfaq.html
See item 14
The amendment law applies only to performances by means of radio-over-speakers or televisions, only if no direct charge is made to see or hear the performances, only if the performances are not further transmitted beyond the establishment where they are received, and only if the original transmission is licensed by the copyright owners -- that is, the radio or television station, cable system or satellite carrier is licensed by the copyright owners or their performing rights organizations.
And the rest is at the link. I only know of this because a pizza shop owner asked if I knew anything about this. A customer told him he would have to pay fees for playing the radio. - wassamatta, on 07/09/2009, -0/+2http://voices.allthingsd.com/20070516/michael-robe ...
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