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- Sirocco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8So, they are the only people in the US who *don't* get spam? Hmmm... could be genius.
- Dross, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8
Neither do we!
When you are sued one of the FIRST things the oponents legal team asks for is your email.
I have seen boxes of emails carried out of my building (of 15 employees) to be reviewed by a crack team of lawyers charging $250/hr. Every snide comment, every throwaway line becomes fodder for the legal system.
We simply don't use email anymore, except for status and updates. PERIOD.
And we design and built embedded systems for aircraft. We are not luddities, and actually every time you fly commerical chances are something we worked is with you.
In this day and age every thing you commit to digital stays for ever. - digitarius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Not surprising. Email is a massive security risk and a giant liability if you screw up. These guys probably feel safer understanding how their own paper trails are covered rather than even trying to cover up stuff in Email. It's self preservation.
- Matt2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4E-mail is a useful communication medium for the general public, but when you are someone in a very high position it becomes increasingly difficult to regulate access to your time. E-mail, any old bozo can shoot you a message or question. If the president read his own e-mail, he'd be reading e-mail 24 hours a day for the duration of his term. Instead, he holds meetings with key people and uses the telephone. It makes sense. Same thing with Rumsfeld
- MasterDwarf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Would you if you knew it was gonna come back and bite ya in the ass?
- yensed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Nope.. But oddly, they are all on MySpace! :p
- JuliusErving, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I know this has been said already, but it does make a lot of sense from a security standpoint that they don't use email. I'm not that surprised.
- Squill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2OMG THEY DONT USE EMAIL? THE WORLD IS GONNA END!
- mrman5917, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Uh, neither has any president since its inception... +Lame for digg's inability to use common sense...
- CaptRR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Presidents hardly ever use e-mail either. I forget the reason though."
I think it has to do with government rules. Something to the effect that any email the president writes, even personal, can be requested under the freedom of information act. I have to admit, if all my email was being scrutinized as much as a Presidents for any little bit of fodder, even letters to my daughters, I probably wouldn't use e-mail either. - hammerattack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1email is SOOOO 1990's. Besides, when you're truly important, you have other people do the email for you.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Initial reaction was WTF?
After noodling over it, I can understand the security implications of using email on a day to day basis. - xelloss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Who cares...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I think that they're all probably still bitter about Al Gore inventing the Internet."
If you want to get technical, the man was involved in some of the major funding decisions behind the development of the internet.
And compared to GWB who heard there may be a rumor or two on the "internets," Mr. Gore is quite a sharp man. - f89276704, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1""I know this has been said already, but it does make a lot of sense from a security standpoint that they don't use email. I'm not that surprised.""
C'mon people, they are not sending email via the public internet,..it's all thru secure LANS/WANS. This revalation is not driven by security, its driven by these douchebags not wanting to get caught with thier hands in the cookie jar. - dvdcr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1and who the ***** cares?omg.. a lot of digg users are idiots...
- ChineseHooker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dvorak doesn't get spam either
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Do I use email? No.
Do I like blackberries? Yes. - manata, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think they use AOL. Besides, who is the imposter that has been answering my messages sent to "DonnyRumz92@whitehouse.gov"?
- mushoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Amaizingly enough they know how to delete them.
http://www.digg.com/technology/What_s_the_email_retention_policy_at_the_White_House_
http://www.digg.com/technology/Fitzgerald_says_White_House_deleted_email_evidence_in_Plamegate_scandal - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Does he use a phone?
- coffeestoned, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0so what? i know many people that have email accounts and only read them once or twice a week. would that really help in this Katrina case. no, besides i don't think the people down there had access to email accounts anyway. so what would it have matter the he didn't read it?
- grizwald, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0He doesnt use email because he has a lot of people to do that for him.
- scott1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That explanins ALOT.
- randal2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Absurd. They should be useing email, and thats that.
- zonk3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0none of them know how to use a computer but they all know how to "push the button"...
- Matt2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> How about you either learn to use the BLOCK feature or you simply COMMUNICATE YOUR FEELINGS to your friends in a spare moment so they will know not to do it in the first place. How about not giving your IM info to every Tom, Dork, and Hippie you meet?
I'm sorry, do you know who is on my IM list? Do you know me at all?
Do you really want the top people of our government to have to spend hours a day telling people "Gosh, I'm afraid that this information isn't critical enough to warrant further attention". That's the role of their assistants. What you suggest simply makes no sense in this context. - JJorsett, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Uhh ... the President is no neoluddite nor a dumbass. He used email continually when he was governor of Texas. In fact, he loved it; he and his friends/officials would exchange many messages every day. He had to give it up when he became President because, in Washington DC, nothing committed to email can be assumed to remain confidential. It would be the first thing leaked or subpoened. When he entered office, I remember an article about him sending a farewell email to his social network.
- angrybulldog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hmmm, let's see, WarSec Rummy underestimated the manpower/costs of the War on Iraq whilst rolling over congress with his re-engineering of the military to a so called, nimbler, smaller faster style of forces. Gee, (1) I think he/we might benefit from him using email once in awhile...maybe?!; (2) if he doesn't use email, how much you wanna bet he doesn't use any other modern technology (except weapons) either? the guy's "old school" ... and not in a good way.
- digglugg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Donald Rumsfeld and Michael Chertoff do not use email."
NYS Attorney General Elliot Spitzer was quoted in a recent Business2.0 magazine saying that you should never put anything important in an email. - domusvita, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0FROM: Rummy
TO: Cheney
SUBJECT: RE:
DATE: 02/17/2006
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1 pwned u, bia7c|-| - Matt2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> he fact that these men consciously do not use an avenue to receive information is appalling in my opinion,
They have an ABUNDANCE of information. Anyone that busy MUST restrict their points of contact to avoid being overwhelmed. These guys aren't 20-somethings that can come home after working at Subway and hop in AIM for a few hours.
Let's take an analogy. I'm in charge of a monitoring developing situation in a remote country. Now, I could go out to the mall and surround myself by ten thousand people all shouting at me at once.. OR I could call up my one or two points of contacts at the embasy and recive information that is multiple degrees of accuracy higher. I'm restricting my methods of access in order to concentrate on the premium avenues.
I don't know why this is so hard to comprehend.
I personally don't use IM (anymore) because I'm sick of all the fools on my contact list pestering me with every little detail of their life. Look, I'm trying to WORK here. I DON'T CARE about your new kitty - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0holy hell.. our own government top officials dont know how to use to use a computer.. now everything makes sense.. :o
- Matt2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> Yeah and nobody is asking them to hop on AIM or anything like that, just use what has been a current, fast, form of communication. You are contradicting yourself. It takes more effort and energy to lift a phone and dial, or to get up and go walking to find the person you need to have a face to face with.
I didn't say anything about the modern-ness of e-mail, nor anything about its speed. Take your straw man elsewhere.
When you live at the top, it is impossible to have unfettered access to your time. That's why you have people below you. I don't get to call up Warren Buffet or shoot him an e-mail when I want to ask about his future investing strategies. A certain level of disconnect is required to function properly.
On one hand, you miss out on some of the smaller details. The word on the street. On the other hand, if your aides are doing their job and the "small" detail is important, they will be bringing it to your attention.
> Excellent show of your stupidity..why don't u get rid of your phone because of the telemarketers? How about your TV because of the commercials?
Actually, I've done both of those things. Try again. - Stopher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As Bush said, "I don't use email b/c I don't want you reading my personal stuff."
Of course, they're hypocritically reading all our email at the moment. - anthonyretro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I actually am surprised that these people do not use email. And apparently I may be the only one. Would no one here think that the government would have significantly better security than the rest of the world to send its email?
Also, President Clinton was the first president to have an email address since its inception. I believe that President Bush also has an email address. Whether or not these addresses are used with some frequency is yet to be known, but they do exist and someone checks it. POTUS has a staff of nine secretaries. Someone has to check the email. The same has to go with the Homeland Security secretary and the Secretary of Defense. If news is being conveyed, one method to send it is email. The fact that these men consciously do not use an avenue to receive information is appalling in my opinion, and the response of security that many of you are spouting is bull in my opinion.
The government has certain ways of doing things, and I'm certain they think of email a little differently than we do. And I'm also certain that these men still have email addresses, in their knowledge or not, and someone is checking it. Still, having this is by no means a security risk when you are the United States Government, especially a Republican-led government. - Paul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Brian Besanceney, Chertoff’s top spokesman, said: "Every senior DHS official knows that, if they have important information to convey to the secretary, they go to his office or pick up the phone."
OMG
How's this for flame war...
I was a Bush supporter till i read this. I just switch sides.
Every Senior official knows that if he is involved in anything important he has to stop paying attention to the needs of the country go back to his office sit down and call some dork at the top to read him what should have been a CC...
What a horrible waste of time effort and money. I hope our country is destroyed by ewoks. Guys at the top of the technology pile don't even use it!
UUUUGGG im done now. - wthulhu, on 08/29/2009, -0/+0Pretty common for upper managment, especially upper managment that are that old. Hell, who can blame them, really. They have lackeys to pass on messages, and these new dangfangled computers scare them.
- MikeEFresh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Anything emailed by the president automatically becomes public domain. I don't know if applies here.
- enzomedici, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
Anyone in a high positions that uses email is an idiot. Ever heard of "Everything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law." ?
Never say anything important or damning via email. - jhunt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Good for them. If I had a choice I wouldn't use it either.
- Darkshine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Who would ever really believe an email that they got would be from the president?
- oonix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't use email. Heck I don't use the internets either!
- SupaDawg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0common news.
/no digg
/lame'd - Deuterium, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I stopped using e-mail a few months ago and I haven't been happier. The business, security, and time management aspect have dramatically improved my performance. I'd say these guys are just on the forefront of a big change coming our way. Good for them. Next to go is my cell.
- alphaterminus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If you are involved in anything with which you may be held liable for, you should never use email... and the fact that it can be used as evidence is a sad state of affairs. Office should have a destruct feature to wipe an email after it is sent/received.
- solarpowered, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That's what subordinates are for.
People on digg don't *have* subordinates, so this wouldn't occur to them. - b0m8ad1l, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Obviously, this only means that the NSA really does read all of our emails, so the people 'in the know' don't use it.
- XStatic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Officials can talk in private, they should be able to email in private.
If government officials were allowed to use encrypted email that was guaranteed by law to remain private perhaps they could communicate better.
Until then, they stay "off the grid". -
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