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- marnaq, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Sympathy - something you obviously lack.
- cy_kid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17My first reaction to your comment "ddales" was any reply to you would be a waste of time, you just don't get it. How can you in the very same sentence embrace so totally conflicting views? So I'll try to help you in terms that just might sink in. To use your meathod of reasoning, if a statement such as "I'm all for freedom and such but why does anyone even care if the Chinese have Korean's as slaves, if the Koreans don't know the difference it doesn't matter." Do you get it now "ddales"? Do you think before you hit submit? You look like a jerk. Not to mention an uneducated, classless racist. Your willingness to turn a blind eye simply because you aren't the victim at this moment is truely sad. Of course all of this is just my opinion.
- Hydraulix, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19Neither is your spelling.
- Dag_Yo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11ddales... I'll assume for a moment that you're not trolling and offer you a rebuttal of your poorly-conceived argument.
Do you have control over where you were born? No.
Perhaps first and foremost, you should have considered the aforementioned question before you went spouting off about you "not giving a crap" about who has access to what information.
The Chinese people know what they're missing. I've lived in China for four years, and yes, they are aware that there is censorship going on. How come the foreigners get to watch CNN in their hotels, but we can't even access the website? How come every search for Falun Gong is blocked? My relatives were in a fireworks factory explosion which made the government declare martial law--how come there's nothing in the China Daily about it? (Before you ask, yes, an actual city was put under "martial law" and all of the reporters were kicked out. The government later fessed up that there was an explosion.)
So, in closing, I hope you learn to open your mind to other perspectives before you go spouting off online without recourse from the government of the country you're currently in. What if Digg was blocked? Google? (was blocked in China briefly) MSNBC? CNN? (still blocked)
Stop trolling or get perspective, you spoiled pipsqueak. - cy_kid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Not cool.
- Eising, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I find it strange that the description of this link tries to give the impression that the Chinese firewall can be easily overrules, when the point of the actual article is that it would require a rewrite of _both_ the sender and the receiver (to disregard TCP reset). It's hard to imagine this being an easy solution for anyone wanting to bypass _all_ Chinese firewalled restrictions. The way you how ever could do it, was to make the firewall running on the webserver (or the DMZ of the webserver) disregard TCP reset from everbody *.cn, and then write a firefox plugin, or an extension to your own firewall that disregarded said packages. I'm not sure about the firefox plugin, but it's worth a try, I'd say.
- houshier, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I've lived in China for over 2 years now and honestly haven't had any problem with "The Great Firewall". On a day to day basis I only have a problem when I want to access BBC News, Wikipedia, wordpress.com, blogspot.com or blogger.com ... in which case I just fire up Tor or use a web proxy.
If access to the web proxy is blocked then there's always another one available (found a good selection at http://webproxies.info)
My chinese friends tell me that the address of proxy servers are easily found on many of the chinese forums.
It's getting to a point where the firewall is more of an inconvenience than a problem. - Dag_Yo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I wouldn't say so much that it's his selfishness that is ruining our world today... I'd contend that it's selfishness taken to its logical ends: closed-mindedness and general apathy about anything un-(the country you live in). If anything, ddales should be ashamed of his naiveté.
- Alegis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Reminds me of a Dilbert comic.
"Why do they call it the great wall of china ? It never repelled invaders or anything (...), it was more of an abysmal flop" - Duggy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5ddales... are you really that retarded? if you can't "see why", then try thinking about it before posting ridiculous comments like that. Its selfish people like you that keep this planet in a perpetual state of ***** up'dness. you should be ashamed.
- shteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Interesting technique, but it requires both endpoints of the connection to disregard RSTs. So all blocked webservers would need to be modified as well as the clients.
If you have another host you can access the Internet through then it's easier to set up an encrypted tunnel. The company I work for has sites in China that use a web proxy in our California office over our VPN, in order to get around the network restrictions (in particular, Google.com is blocked) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3See background here: http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/video.php?id=647 (interview with Rob Diebert, Citizen Lab)
- jakeg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3here's irony for you... call someone out for being insensitive regarding a human rights issue, but use a term long considered derogatory (retarded) to another group of people to do so.
Seems to me you've got a bit to be ashamed about yourself, Duggy. - avester, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3the problem isn't whether or not they have access to "fun" content of the Internet but whether the government is keeping them from being exposed to ideas that may be contrary to what the government wants. such as free speech. if they are able to bypass the firewall then they can express themselves or develop educated opinion. (educated opinions is obviously not your strength)
- heffer2k02, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Can anyone explain why sending a tcp reset is easier than just dropping the packet that contained the keyword? If the packet has been searched for a keyword then the hard work is done, just dropping the packet at that point surely doesnt add any significant overhead...?
- Dag_Yo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How else would they do it? Until there's a seamless monitoring-PC-to-router connection that can drop specific IP exchanges at the router level based on keywords detected by the monitoring PCs, the method that the Chinese government is currently using is by far the cheapest and most effective. Besides... 95% of the people using the Internet probably can't tell you what a RST packet is anyway.
- heffer2k02, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I should think harder first - it's probably because the router would get flooded with attempts to resend the packet.
- Desolite, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5damn mongolians, knock down my great wall again!!@~!!~@!~
- DrNoDoze, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I find this ironic. The great wall of china was a non-functional product of an outmoded governance struggling to maintain their power, and a reaction to a perceived cultural invasion. The "Great Firewall" is .............
- leffunov, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Is it possible to avoid the censorship through converting documents to picture images so the text is hidden in plain sight from the machines?
- NejiKun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If people can really defeat the "Great Firewall of China", then I would be able to view Wikipedia, the BBC, and Amnesty International at high speeds here in my apartment in the Lido district of Beijing.
- BuddyChrist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2the real url:
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/sjm217/volatile/cache/2006/06/27/ignoring-the-great-firewall-of-china/ - antron, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7I "geuss" not...
- Hawk2007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've always wondered how the Chinese government censors their internet. A few weeks ago I went to google.cn and then typed "communism sucks" in the search. it returned plenty of anti-communism links.
- modularsky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm reading this in China... I think the biggest myth about China's "great firewall" is that it's really great at blocking information. If you can speak english, you can easily find the information you want... Google isn't blocked anywhere... neither are most sites. The only sites I've been unable to access are the BBC and Wikipedia.
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"so "great" anymore!"
Never was... - Rhymonde, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Also technorati,which I just don't understand why,they even showed Technorati on the state-owned television station.
- Duggy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1jakeg... good point... my apologies. +digg for you :-)
- avester, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I wonder if the Chinese Government would be able to tell if your doing it. if so you could be getting a rude nock on the door soon.
- sdant, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I don't think this technique will last long once it's in public domain.
- enkideridu, on 05/15/2009, -0/+0could someone post on how exactly can we ignore said tcp resets?
please? - avester, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1you could set up a proxy server in the US and have that set to ignore reset packets. it would be able to communicate with the rest of the world and you would be able to communicate with it. though a Chinese citizen might not be able to get out of china to set up a proxy server. but once a couple of servers are set up and the word gets around in china it could work.
- samnmax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Well, probably because it's easier to have some computers dedicated to scanning packets, while having others dedicated to do actual routing. If the computers handling routing also have to deal with scanning the packets themselves, that adds a layer of complexity that would likely have a fairly significant effect on the speed of connections.
It's pretty trivial to break a connection if you can watch its packets, so that's probably why they went this route. Although I suppose you could start ignoring those packets like Bruce suggests, this would have to happen on both sides of the connection. That would be fairly tricky to get going on a large scale, breaking a lot of things in the process, and even if it were done, the Chinese government would just change tactics on how they disconnect users. There are a lot of other wise you can effectively kill connection. - avester, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I think China mostly just blocks certain sites not necessarily certain text
- heffer2k02, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Why are you commenting on a spelling mistake? Why point it out as if we can't see it? Why do you even care?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4It rhymes with "goose". How ironic.
- joeshlub, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1Your trolling. That, or you are a complete ***** moron.
- ddales, on 10/12/2007, -29/+5Don't get me wrong. I'm all for free speach and such, but why does anyone even care what the Chinese can see on the inet or not, and vice versa? I'm not trolling or anything but I just don't see why I, or anyone else for that matter, gives a crap what access a certain group of people has or doesn't have. Besides, if they have never seen half of what's available on the net, then they probably have no idea what they're missing. In that respect, does it really matter?
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