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- radicaldementia, on 10/12/2007, -6/+42"How long before PS3 sales mean the number of Blu-Ray players in people's homes is an order of magnitude more than HD-DVD players?"
probably never at the rate they're going :) - Drizzit, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21"I have an HD-DVD player...and started to look for some movies
But wtf why should I have to buy my movies in HD-DVD/DVD combo format and pay near 40 bucks for them?
Then again I'm told they did that just in case HD-DVD fails"
Please dude, they dont charge you double. Most movies are 23-29 dollars. You get a disc that works in both HD and SD dvd players.
With Bluray you have to buy a Bluray and a dvd. The bluray disc costs the same as the HD-DVD's so you're getting ripped off there.
Plus bluray media exists just below the surface. Scratch it and that disc is a coaster. HD DVD retained the same amount of protection DVD's have. They're much more forgiving. - terrya64, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16the xbox 360 hd-dvd drive is/was the only hd-dvd drive that will also work on a pc.
- sparkrainfir, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15i disagree.
consumers are stupid. the winner will be the one that's best marketed. because that's how things sell.. - SoCalChris, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13@LosingTheFight
Don't forget plummeting product quality. In the 80's, Sony was THE brand to have. They cost more, but you knew their product was top quality, and built to last. Everything Sony that I've had in the last decade has broken, usually within a few months of the warranty expiring.
Their products are still marked at a premium price, but you're not getting the premium quality any more. - Monkeycycle, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16I would like to see a comparison of how well Microsoft's new HD DVD add-on player for the Xbox is selling relative to the PS3. Unless the ratio is significantly in favor the PS3, I would say that HD DVD will maintain its current edge for quite a while. My reasoning is thus: every Xbox owner who buys the HD DVD player will definitely use it to watch movies, PS3 buyers, in contrast, are often ambivalent or downright negative about the existence of the blu-ray drive.
- sjbdallas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Which console has a blue-ray and which console has HD-DVD won't matter. In the end, it will come down to which name makes more sense to the masses that don't know the difference between red or blue lasers, 1080 or 760, interlacing or progressive, or anything like that.
If you have an HDTV, you need an HD-DVD. That's all they will think about. - Wireddd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12that will change when the shareholders of those companies see the untapped revenue stream.
- LosingTheFight, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@xyphoid
Where should we start? Arrogance, unpredictability, inability to adapt, consumer/regional lock-ins, and that's just with the gaming division. Let's not forget the rootkit fiasco, DRM nightmares, battery problems... - sparkrainfir, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14@xyphoid
did you have to ask?
recalled batteries.
ps3 delays
horrible hardware
proprietary standards.
the list goes on, and on, and on... - adrocknaphobia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Disney and all it's chidlren (Miramax), Fox and all it's children (Star Wars), and of course everything under Sony pictures are _only_ going blu-ray exclusively. I own the HD-DVD add-on for the XBox360, which is really great, but I'm finidng more of the movies I want to see are only on Blu-Ray.
It sucks, and I'd rather not have Sony win. But I'm willing to buy a PS3 for Kill Bill, Sin City and Star Wars in 1080p. - nicepants, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11HD-DVD has the name going for it. Consumers already know they like DVD....and anything with "HD" slapped on it seems to get people's attention. (Even kodak is making disposable cameras with "HD" on them)
Go ask 5 people on the street what BLU-RAY is and see how many of them have any idea. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15I have an HD-DVD player...and started to look for some movies
But wtf why should I have to buy my movies in HD-DVD/DVD combo format and pay near 40 bucks for them?
Then again I'm told they did that just in case HD-DVD fails - trer, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14You cared enough to comment.
- sparkrainfir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8good thing most of them are hd-dvd / dvd combos
if one side doesn't work; just flip it over! - LosingTheFight, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16By your same logic though, remember that Microsoft has released a $200 HD DVD addon for the Xbox 360, which has a larger installed userbase. In my opinion, BlueRay will go the way of the MiniDisc and Betamax, especially due to the fact that there is an extremely limited supply for PS3's to help the BlueRay numbers. By the time the PS3 becomes relatively esy to buy, I wonder if it will be too late.
- sparkrainfir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@thesteampunk
better gaming consoles, better tvs, and better electronic equipment are a natural progression of technology. just because the technology is better doesn't make the product better. you're looking at a very small demographic (the technologically inclined) most consumers only know what they read in newspapers, and on tv. it's simple economics... - Bega, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I can tell you guys this ps3 thing doesn't mean much if a lot more people are doing what I'm doing. I own one, I'll rent blu-ray titles, but I'm not about to buy any. Still taking the wait and see approach.
edit: though an hd-dvd LOTR might just convert me. - amandaw33, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7http://thedvdwars.com/index.cfm
- symb1an, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Anyone considered the possibility that neither of them will win?
Blu-Ray does seem to be the superior tech, but HD-DVD is getting a huge boost thanks to Microsoft backing it, but note that Microsoft is also providing HD movie downloads (true only 720p right now, but that will change when bandwidth allows)
There is also the option that both of them will survive long enough such that neither captures enough market share for either of them to "beat" the other. This would allow for HD downloads to become mainstream. - jonnyeh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6How about Sin City 2? It will be on HD DVD only, it's a Weinstein company film
- bleonard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It can also be argued that for every PS3 sold, a guaranteed consumer purchase of Blu-Ray movies has been made if AND when that particular consumer purchases a High-Def. format DVD.
While the purchase of a 360 add-on HD-DVD player indicates a person already purchasing High Def. DVDs and that they've choosen HD-DVD as their format.
So a weak conclusion could be: PS3 sales "guarantee" future Blu-Ray sales IF the consumer ever purchases high-def DVDs where as 360 add-on HD-DVD sales indicate immediate HD-DVD sales of high-def DVDs. - RiotActing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5All I know is HD-DVD players can play my standard DVDs and in some cases upscale them... that's the bottom line right there. Why would I want to buy a bluray player and have to re buy all of my movies? The HDDVD add on for the 360 will suite me just fine.
- sacherjj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4HD is a buzz word. The real determination is whatever the big retailers decide to push as the HD solution to the unwashed masses.
- contextclouds, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I agree with you, but by the time Start Wars comes out on Blu-ray in the proper resolution, audio format, Greedo/Han shooting order, (etc), Blu-ray II will be out.
- Gottschalk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3A person can like Apple and the 360. MS Games division has left people little to complain about.
- zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I say wait. Why buy this year all this crap is still 1.0.
There's no reason why these two standards should be battling.
They do the same thing. Unlike beta max they run using the same size
media. I say wait till you see a dual standard player that plays both HD standards.
Why toss down $800 for a player that you know will cost $300 in a year.
That's almost as stupid as running out and buying an HD tv when they were
$14,000 each.
I say let them choke on there own pricing. Waiting will lower the costs for everyone
and save you from buying equipment thats not ready for prime time. - mrfreeziexp, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9Wow, There have been so many anti-Sony stories on digg recently.
Not that I mind, I hate them. - nerdvernacular, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Only 20% of PS2 users used their system to play DVD's, according to polls.. Most used separate DVD players. Considering the PS3's price, the Wii and 360 already have a leg up on it. With a larger installed userbase, the 360 provides a nice option of going the HD-DVD route. With players costing nearly half that of their Blu-Ray counterparts, I don't see why HD-DVD wouldn't continue outselling Blu-Ray. The only caveat being Sony's stranglehold on Sony & Fox pictures, which they'll cling to until their format is long since done.
- android8675, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Lots of replies to Superkendall, but here's one more, sorry if someone already said this...
Someone else was saying that Microsoft probably did the right thing with the addon for 360. Get a 360, save $199, then if you want to get a HD player, get the HD-DVD addon. MS isn't forcing you to buy into a standard that hasn't been well established.
If Sony had done the same do you think they could of priced the PS3 for less? I mean not many people have HDTVs (me for one), while it'll be nice to have up to 56gigs storage for games, as I understand it most of the launch PS3 titles aren't breaking the standard 8gig DVD.
Personally I don't care who wins the format war that's going on. For me my PS2 playing DVDs is serving me well. Right now i'm leaning towards Blu-Ray simply because it's got Disney backing, and a couple other studios, but it's all moot until I can afford a decent 1080p set (i'm trying to hold out). I just wish the 1080p sets came in smaller sizes, 42" is just slightly too big for my apt.
:) - frostydf2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It seems that in console wars people are completely biased against the Sony PS3, as if they want it to fail for their own gain. Most people root for the Xbox, a Microsoft product. Now let's look at OS systems, and basically anything geared towards computers/mp3 players. Everyone is biased against Microsoft, and hopes for it's failure, and roots for Apple.
Is it some sort of cheery victory that you achieve when the underdog wins in larger profit margins?
I truely don't understand 99% of the users thoughts on Digg. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Drizzit
Hmm...no
18 bucks for a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD
29 bucks for the Combo...they do not cost the same - postal21, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nobody is going to buy HD-DVD or Blu-RAY until they have HDTVs.
Not enough marketshare of people with HDTVs still... give it 5 years. - subject117, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1hmmm
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4neither will win right now. what's the big difference between a regular DVD and blueray or hd-dvd? not much from what i've seen. people will be buying regular DVDs or download them for quite a time to come.....
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sure today people use standalone players for DVD's - because they are $50 or less.
WIth Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, many more people will be using these as primary HD media players because the alternatives are still pretty expensive. - jordan1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2you obviously don't own a HDTV with a HD-DVD player or you wouldn't say that.
- RAT-Man, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2My standalone HD-DVD player will be good for Universal Studio releases since they're aligned with those guys. Everything else is on Blu-ray.
- SicKn3sS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Who cares if Blu-Ray or HD-DVD are better? Just wait till there are HD-DVD/Blu-Ray all in one players...
- ibeetle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In 1986 if I told someone that I was buying a NEC computer with this new operating system called DOS they would have said I was crazy and that nobody... absolutely nobody was going to unseat Apple Computers and their 60% of market share.
Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD have been out less than 10 months. Why don't we wait just a wee bit longer before we make some all supreme winner declaration. - o0joshua0o, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"I don't care, but I wanted to comment simply to prove you wrong"
Which means you do care on some level, thus proving him right. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And now we reach the stage of the game where the prize goes to those that remove the pre-planned impediments and provide the user with the freedom they require as smoothly as possible.
At present neither will win out over downloads. He who blinks first has the opportunity to win - if they are lucky. - bacon_skoda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the leap from tape to DVD was huge.
the leap from DVD to HD DVD, much smaller. - Daolohua, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3BETA was also a good format. It lost too.
- TheSolomon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's one way to look at it. I think its safe to say, given the lack of content available on either new format, when people buy the 360 or the PS3, they are buying them almost 100% for gaming.
For the PS3, there's no additional purchase to consider to play next-gen video discs. The customer can be completely clueless to the options of HD-DVD versus Blueray, and Sony has still gained another player on the market.
The 360 option, by comparison, requires a person to *first* decide they want the next gen movie format, *then* decide they want the HD-DVD option that bolts onto the 360 (rather than a standalone player), *then* finally go out and *buy* it. Not only are there two decisions that are required by the consumer, most likely they're making this decision well after they've taken the 360 home to play with for a while, so you have the added burden of motivating them to come back into the store to make an additional purchase. (It might not seem like much, but it's crucial to close the sale on everything you can *before* a person leaves the store. Once they're gone, who knows when they might return.)
The 360 gives you a price edge, but that evaporates once you add-on the HD-DVD drive, so you really can't underestimate the benefit to Sony of forcing Blueray upon the new owners of the PS3. In the case of these owners, when they see a movie on the new format, instead of having to contemplating a new hardware purchase, they see the Blueray logo and think "oh wait, my PS3 has that," and go out and buy the movie.
If Sony can build momentum with the numbers of PS3 consoles sold, it could make things very interesting with this format war. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Honestly, who cares? We won't know a winner until either HD or Blueray are over 15 percent of total video sales and the current .1% means jack ***** in real terms. Until that day comes we are all just speculating.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2But see, that does mean something - studios will be able to get ahold of Netflix rental rates as well. If many people are doing just what you are doing, renting Blu-Ray titles, then they'll know people are using that feature.
Consider that 360 owners don't have that casual ability to just rent and try out the format - they have to plunk down $200 first, and then see if they like the HD-DVD titles around. Would you be renting Blu-Ray titles today if you had to spend $200 more on a player that was only good for movies and didn't do anything for games on the console? - munkyxtc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"The 360 gives you a price edge, but that evaporates once you add-on the HD-DVD drive, so you really can't underestimate the benefit to Sony of forcing Blueray upon the new owners of the PS3. In the case of these owners, when they see a movie on the new format, instead of having to contemplating a new hardware purchase, they see the Blueray logo and think "oh wait, my PS3 has that," and go out and buy the movie."
I agree; but what you have to realize is that MS has shipped millions of 360 units prior to the release of the PS3. I purchased my 360 over a year ago for $400; now with the $200 add on HD DVD player you are correct the price works out to be the same; however, what you failed to take into consideration is the dollar amount your average consumer is going to output at 1 time. Sure while people who understand the technolgy you can appreciate that there is no clear cut difference between either format and when it comes down to it they cost the same; but to the average consumer they are going to go out and buy what they can afford. It is alot easier to spend $400 today and then a year from now come up with another $200 to spend; rather than dropping $600 all at one time. I mean, everyone wants to please little Johnny on christmas; but imagine having to buy gifts for multiple children; chances are they are getting Wii's or 360s, NOT PS3s - DEaDIRiS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1HBO, Paramount Pictures, StudioCanal, Universal Studios, New Line Entertainment and Warner Bros are all putting out HD DVD's.
Don't know why people keep saying only Universal. -
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