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- dsanonline, on 10/01/2008, -2/+67wtf isnt this illegal?
- AlanFang, on 09/30/2008, -1/+56***** Cox.
- suburbanWMD, on 09/30/2008, -2/+55Cox sucks *****.
- UtahPirate, on 09/30/2008, -3/+51The witch hunt of the 21st century is DMCA takedowns... or, wait, no: the McCarthy trials of the next decade: "Have you ever been a member of the Pirate Party or the writer's guild?"
Gimme a f---ing break. - tcardone05, on 10/01/2008, -2/+45When one says "I just switched to AT&T" with a smile, something is terribly wrong.
- purplesawdust, on 10/01/2008, -1/+37This is a fine example of how to say "***** YOU" to your customers.
- jyakisdumb, on 09/30/2008, -2/+34***** i have cox :( time to switch to verizon!
- Duckie502, on 10/01/2008, -3/+31this is why i use my neighbor's wireless.
- inactive, on 10/01/2008, -0/+27Cox blocked!
- twiztidsinz, on 10/01/2008, -0/+23Are you implying that saying '"I just switched to Cox" with a smile' is terribly right?
- Skod, on 10/01/2008, -3/+22This surprises me considering that Cox is generally one of the best ISPs out there.
- HackerThatsme, on 10/01/2008, -0/+18Cox sucks cox
- john2kx, on 10/01/2008, -3/+202 words: Transport Encryption.
Enable it, ffs. I never saw that screen again after I did. - dedknedy, on 10/01/2008, -2/+13If Cox successfully pulls this off without loosing a considerable amount of it's customers, look for more ISP's to start doing this. If you have Cox cable, you need to cancel that ***** asap as a matter of principal. And let them know why you are canceling your account.
This aggression will not stand, man. - feliks2, on 10/01/2008, -1/+12***** *****
- slayernine, on 10/01/2008, -2/+13***** JensenSteve
- IADTatami, on 10/01/2008, -0/+10Disconnected customers aren't paying customers.
They'll reexamine this policy soon enough. - Jinchaos, on 10/01/2008, -1/+11I have Cox and this has happened to me twice. They make you call to get reconnected so they can call you a dirty pirate and warn you that if you hit that magic number of three infractions they'll permanently disconnect your service. Needless to say, I've become more ninja-like in my pirating.
- opticwind, on 10/01/2008, -1/+11He's always been tough to JD, but this is just a douche move.
- oneredeye, on 10/01/2008, -2/+12Yes.
- MWeather, on 10/01/2008, -0/+9Yeah, just go to another cable company. Wait a minute...
- thealsir, on 10/01/2008, -0/+8I know somebody who got one of those messages. He was basically caught torrenting a file. I guess it is better than suing you on the spot, but it's still heavy handed.
- poopdigger, on 10/01/2008, -2/+10If Cox wants to work this way, let them. They're just a business- don't buy from them and let them rot.
- nstern2, on 10/01/2008, -1/+8So Cox likes to loose paying customers? The RIAA/MPAA have ISPs running scared. Let me do what I want with MY media and then I will stop pirating tv eps.
Tis *****!
I am just glad cox isn't available in my area. - str1fe, on 10/01/2008, -1/+8Just as one example, World of Warcraft uses p2p to distribute content patches, so that's over 10 million legal p2p users right there. Many Linux distros and OSS programs use p2p to deliver updates as well. Many artists also willingly upload their own music to sites like TPB and Demonoid because - get this - they realize that IT IS ACTUALLY BENEFICIAL FOR THEM TO DO SO.
p2p does not automatically equal bad, in any sense of the term. - Khanvalescent, on 10/01/2008, -2/+9And this is why I let my wireless use MY neighbors.
- Saitekc, on 10/01/2008, -1/+7More abuse to our freedoms.
- trogle, on 10/01/2008, -1/+7The options are slim. Cox owns the actual cabling in the ground.....so how would one switch to a like service? DSL is a sad choice.
- PastyBabyface, on 10/01/2008, -1/+7unfortunately, this isn't very new. in new orleans after katrina(in the neighborhood of late 2005), people were getting their internet cut off for downloading anything hbo or fox. this was before cable/internet/power were even back in the entire city. instead of a web based screen, your connection went dead and you got a nasty letter about a week later in the mail. if you called tech support in the interim, they would access your account and tell you that as far as they could tell, the loss was due to equipment malfunction. bastards are ruthless, but what bothers me was losing my internet connection for downloading sopranos and arrested development, but not for downloading aqua teen space ghost or any non fox/hbo shows. i've always wondered what the deal with that was.
- noogymmij, on 10/01/2008, -1/+7I had Cox and they were full of incompetent pricks. However, I got a DMCA about a year and a half ago, and they just forwarded it... no biggie. This is obviously pretty ***** though. Good thing I'm on a university network now.... but over the summer... g'damn.
- expert01, on 10/01/2008, -2/+7No. TOS and Contract.
- Dylson, on 10/01/2008, -1/+6***** *****?
- willrs, on 10/01/2008, -3/+8i just switched to at&t u verse - way cheaper.
- vtnerd, on 10/01/2008, -2/+7Damn, I thought Comcast was bad.
Nevertheless, where's my damn FIOS Verizon? I'll gladly pay through the nose just to get it.
And someone might want to tell Cox that WEP can be cracked without too much trouble by anyone who is determined to do it and has free time (ie. your neighbors). I'm sure that WPA can be cracked as well, but I'm not sure how easy that is.
Encryption still doesn't prevent the defense of "someone used my network to download that file" unless Cox has some magic way of seeing what type of encryption you have turned on. Bunch of idiots, for one I'm glad I have Comcast. - DestroyFascism, on 10/01/2008, -0/+5So the law won't mind if I hang someone I suspect of being guilty of a crime without trial. Hey going by this standard you could declare anarchy, guilty unless you can prove yourself innocent. Just like parking and speed camera fines..
- bot001220, on 10/01/2008, -0/+5@montanask8
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. A lot of us (like everyone who lives in my neighborhood, for example) have no choice, since Cox has a monopoly in our area.
A few blocks down, Qwest has a monopoly in *that* area. - seldon452, on 10/01/2008, -0/+4Pfft, the law... what is that anyway?
Did you know it is just a book with lots of words?
Signed,
Cox - ProKid, on 10/01/2008, -1/+5***** you
- alricsca, on 10/01/2008, -1/+5This strikes me as Cox engaging in the illegal restraint of free speech and in some cases of a taking away a person's livelihood, both of which are civil rights violations.
Since these accusations are unproven in a court of law. Cox is illegally acting as the law and cutting of their users' Internet connections. Note, even if they demanded this right in their service agreement or even if a federal law attempted to grant this power, a basic civil right cannot be so impaired. In the absence of a court finding and a clear and present danger to the public, Cox is engaging in actions that prevent their users right to free speech and to earn a livelihood. I think they should be held liable for this both civilly and criminally.
Before the goof offs start saying they deserved it, keep in mind that these people have not been given a chance to refute the action and there have been many cases in recent times of a malicious entity using DMCA notices against innocent parties. There may be fair use issues.
Even if they are guilty, it is not the ISP's job to engage in the punishment their user, it is up to a court of law. Imagine if they turned off your phone, took away your car, or cut off your power because some stranger said you made a prank phone call, were driving badly, or left your light on at night. Every one of these actions, in most cases, would cost more in terms of money, safety, and frustration than a download but these services can only be cut off by a court order.
Keep in mind a DMCA notice is an essentially a statement of belief, it does not even have to show proof. Many people now use their ISP for far more basic services than they used to, things like security systems, phone, and medical devices. It is dangerous, to allow a mere statement of belief no matter how many times it is repeated, to generate this sort of penalty in the absence of a finding of law. - seinman, on 10/01/2008, -0/+4As if that isn't bad enough, their bandwidth cap is a mere 60 GB, on their FASTEST package. The slower packages are 40 GB. It isn't enforced yet (I download a lot more than that in the average month and haven't gotten so much as a warning), but if and when it is, it's going to SUCK.
Verizon recently laid down fiber lines in my neighborhood, hopefully FIOS will be available at my address before Cox gets much worse. - inactive, on 10/01/2008, -1/+5Cox cables' new slogan.
We're Cox, "We ***** pirates, Arrh". - Civilizationist, on 10/01/2008, -1/+5Serious proposal here. We are the Internet and we are HUGE. Why do we not come together and start our own publicly funded and owned ISP, those public owners would be the Internet. I would be among the first to invest a couple hundred to such a venture. This ISP would not throttle, disconnect or in anyway hassle pirates.
There has got to be some great business minds here on Digg that can get the ball rolling. - WraTH017, on 10/01/2008, -2/+6I've received two of these so far... so I downloaded Peer Guardian 2 so i can pirate to my heart's content. It's worked well so far, and that's the best thing i can say about it.
Peer Guardian 2
http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/
And ***** Cox, and their threats. If they disable my internet one more time, the only number i'll call is the one to cancel all my services. If they want to lose my account, so be it... I'm sure another provider will be happy to take my money.
This has been their policy for years by the way, and not a recent thing. First thing they did this to me was about 3 to 4 years ago. - ProfessorSYM, on 10/01/2008, -0/+4I used to work for Cox Communications, and I can tell you that they honestly do not care if people are downloading or using P2P; they only send out these notices when an entertainment company sees your IP sharing their, ahem, "property", because those companies send a notice to Cox Communications threatening legal action if they do not warn the subscriber or make them stop.
If you get a notice from Cox it is because you aren't taking even basic precautions to keep yourself anonymous while sharing. Bottom line, there are ways to easily mask this activity and if you are too lazy to spend 10 minutes researching how to do this then it is your own fault, so stop whining and take some initiative to protect yourself from getting caught. - obliviousfool, on 10/01/2008, -0/+4AT&T, now with extra wiretaps and datamining.
- twiztidsinz, on 10/01/2008, -0/+4What does a "web based screen" look like exactly?
- Culyt, on 10/01/2008, -0/+4I have gotten like 4 of those messages, they are not that rare.
The most recent one was inaccurate (From the ESA, Entertainment Software Association in Australia, it was actually Australian laws which is worrying since the used to just DMCA which doesn't exist here), I had the .torrent in my list for a month but no downloading or uploading had occurred it was still on 0%, they where just checking who connected to the tracker not who actually downloaded the content and infringed copyright.
I also highly recommend peerguarding or similar blocking list (I use safepeer on Azureus/Vuse), since I installed it I have only gotten the one in over several years, last time the service went down I got one within a week. Its possible that this time it also broke.
These systems might not be 100% but at least it costs the companies money as was seen by the mediadefender leaks, and the do drastically reduce them.
If you do get one just ignore it. Unless they keep contacting you or something like that. In which case maybe you have an open wifi point, but it would be best to find a lawyer than try and make stuff up no matter how wrong you know they are.
☢ - Ender008, on 10/01/2008, -0/+4Ahh...Scrubs.
- Zodix, on 10/01/2008, -0/+4Eh, yeah I had a friend who Cox disconnected regarding "alleged" piracy last year (So I've known for a long time they do this). They'll turn your internet back on with a phone call though.
- omoshiroi, on 10/01/2008, -0/+4That's what she said... or he said
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