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- benijuana, on 11/14/2007, -4/+144thats because myspace is so slow that you don't have a choice
- econoar, on 11/14/2007, -12/+102Facebook is slowing becoming the new MySpace with all the new, god damn annoying "applications". It isn't nearly as bad, but they are starting to screw up slowly.
Can't we just go back to the good ol' days, when it was only for college students and stuff was simple? That's why we all joined Facebook in the first place anyways. - inactive, on 11/14/2007, -4/+40"Facebook is growing 3x faster than MySpace."
That is the most excessively distorted sentence ever. That figure was based on percentage growth. When you're nearly 1/5th the size of your competitor, and grow a lot more PERCENTAGE WISE, of course you can say that they're growing "faster", but not in the actual sense of the term "faster than".
And by that usage, I could say that digg is growing 48 times faster than MySpace, then you'd actually notice that that type of usage doesn't make any sense at all. But of course, we're a mob of myspace-hating people so we'll accept anything that says something negative towards MySpace.
benijuana said: "thats because myspace is so slow that you don't have a choice"
WRONG. Facebook is getting roughly 45 pageviews per person and MySpace is getting over 75 pageviews per person. How exactly does that work if their site is so slow? And no, pageview per person does not have a direct correlation towards the amount of people. - canewediggit, on 10/11/2007, -3/+31why is the digg length of stay so short? does leaving digg to read an article and then returning to digg get taken into effect?
once again, for all the ***** we talk about myspace, it dominates. the length of stay really surprised me, especially when comparing it to facebook. - usedupfag, on 10/11/2007, -2/+23I can't believe the Average Stay (in minutes) for digg is only 1.47.
I know a lot of people like to read the comments about stories, I know I do. I often spend over 20 minutes a go reading comments. - webcrunch, on 10/11/2007, -1/+21As I mentioned somewhere else, there's a chance Compete might be also counting all the little "digg this" widgets that are spread all over people's blogs as visits.
- Giggy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18A better design layout wouldn't hurt MySpace. Even with all the annoying apps that plague each page, Facebook has that advantage and a big one at that.
- Rileyper, on 10/11/2007, -4/+21Today Is A Good Day For digg
- Sabin, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17Good job not have a ***** clue how facebook works.
- TenebrousX, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17I love digg self-masturbatory stories!
- andburn1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15Facebook is still WAY more mainstream. At school, if I'm like "I saw blah blah on digg last night," almost everyone will respond "wtf is digg?" I've turned a few people on to it, but if I mention something about Facebook, whether they have an account or not, they know what I'm talking about. Digg needs to project itself as, rather than a social news website focusing mainly on technology, more of a digital reflection of topics of intrest in the digital age. If they can spin that "we are the information generation" ideal, they can grow through a "we are our news and our new is us" mentality that everyone wants to jump onto. One of the main advertisable things about digg is that rather than being spoon-fed our news by corporate giants with their own intrests at stake, we can redefine how people perceive the world around them. A huge userbase would allow us to reinvent the "free press" that is such a part of this generation's ideal of freedom, and take it into our own hands.
- TenebrousX, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14Does anyone really want the myspacers or youtubers on digg, spamming the comments and submitted retarded stories ("OMG TomKat Baby Pix!!!")? I like the nerd-oriented nature of digg as it exists today; I love it because it's not populated with the "swinish multitudes" that make up so much of the web
- philpill, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13paedophilia has nothing to do with anything here - go take your witchhunt someplace else
- andburn1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9You know that most Digg users are behind Facebook. They're both part of the "down with myspace" revolution that we've needed for so long. Ever wonder why there's so many stories about Facebook on Digg? The social aspect of Digg - that is, making friends and networking - isn't it's best feature. There is more than enough room for Facebook and Digg to co-exist.
- DJSdotcom, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9How incredibly misleading. Note that Facebook has 11 BILLION pageviews per month and Digg only has 250 million, so although Digg may have more unique visitors, Facebook averages 44x more pageviews per user than Digg.
- ButterBuddha, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9I dugg for my fellow diggers.....
- krinthekuz, on 09/16/2008, -2/+9i agree with cdyny. the digg mob has become rather embarassing and i find myself back on /.
- Saiyanz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7it will be a good day when we destroy myspace
- magnusdopus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8I also suspect this is the case. Most people I know have never heard of Digg. Facebook somewhat.
- andburn1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8It's open to EVERYONE now.
- jayxcee, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I tried to show my friends digg... but they said that the front page had too many words and looked to intimidating. I thought that was kind of sad. Perhaps that's why people are only staying for 1:47 minutes.
- Downtime, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"Facebook is growing 3x faster than MySpace."
That's b/c facebook just opened it's doors to everyone, not just college students. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Kazanoe: The only one that grew faster than MySpace since it's launch was YouTube, which is definitely deserved.
Edit: Thanks for your correction, I didn't see the graph either, but I was still right. =) - nevesis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3A few things:
MySpace is considerably bigger than Facebook. But how many of those accounts are solely for spamming? How many of those accounts logged in ONCE?
My own empirical observations suggest that Facebook has a considerably more devoted user base than MySpace.
EVERYONE I know still in college, and 90% of those I know that have graduated still check Facebook. Many on a daily basis. Only a handful of people I know are on MySpace, and most of them are only on there because they didn't attend a college and (at the time) Facebook required a college e-mail address.
And frankly, Facebook's "interests", "music", "movies", and "books" databases are worth more than MySpace alone.
Once FB offers marketing programs based on this input and custom algorithms (to extend these to similar interests)... they'll be quite possibly the easiest, and most effective, method of targeted advertising. - philovivero, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4"I highly doubt the accuracy of this report. I have never even heard of this site until this blog story. Show me reports from comScore, Alexa, etc. that "confirm" what a compete.com blog is reporting."
Why do you think Comscore is legit? I did a simple analysis using Alexa and published numbers from Myspace, Facebook, Digg, etc here: http://faemalia.org/wiki/view/Faemalia/DiggMonthlyUniqueVisitors.
If you take the published numbers from Alexa, Compete, Myspace, Facebook, and Digg, they all (roughly) match up. Comscore, on the other hand, is way off in left field somewhere. The polite way to put this is that Comscore has an error in their methodology. The blunt way to put it is they aren't competent statisticians (and given that's all they do, it's a pretty damning statement).
Comscore needs to fix their methodology.
Note: I do work for Digg, but my analysis uses ONLY published numbers. I will not state anything about what I know from analysis of our web logs, because it will only cause problems. - HigherLogic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Well, just tested out Digg without JS or images enabled. The load time for a page is a 10-fold increase, and I can even open more than 5 stories one after the other without things freezing up for 30 seconds. Replying to comments still works, unfortunately can't tup/tdown a comment.
Front page takes about 1.5 seconds to load (normally it's 6-9 seconds). From the front page, I opened 6 stories in a new background tab and they all loaded in about 1-2 seconds depending on the number of comments (whereas before the more tabs you open, the more time you have to wait for the page to load up before you can even get a new tab open). A much better improvement from the 15-50+ seconds (depending on the number of comments in a story) (average load is typically 20-30 seconds for front page stories). (Edit: editing a comment works too).
Only downside, can't digg a story or tup/tdown a comment :-/ Not that it's terribly hard to enable JS real quick to do this... - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3untill some tard invented a free gift application..
- TFFDavid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I just registered on Digg yesterday, and I like it, a lot.
- nevesis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2All the traffic ranking sites are flawed.
Alexa uses a toolbar to get their rankings. How many Digg members willingly install "Alexa Toolbar!!!!1!"?
Seriously, the only way to determine these things require information from site owners, their hosting providers, large ISPs, or internet exchange points (ie MAE East) - LxRogue, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Facebook's not gonna grow forever. People chose it over MySpace because it was minimalistic and secluded. Now they add a million new "applications" every day and its public.
- philovivero, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3"As I mentioned somewhere else, there's a chance Compete might be also counting all the little "digg this" widgets that are spread all over people's blogs as visits."
How did you come to that conclusion? Does that you mentioned it somewhere else make this guess somehow more valid? - darkmule, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3@Giggy
Myspace just needs to be recoded in general. The layout is pretty simple and fine, not as clean as facebook, but its somewhat clean, it could be cleaner. The issue is who ever the hell made the site. It amazes me that a handfull of people can make a functioning website that gets hit by a ton of users, and has no real background investors. Yet, a website that sold for 560 million dollars cannot seem to have a functioning development team that tends to bugs. Its kind of sad really. What myspace needs is a redevelopment, they need to take an extra server they have kicking around and redevelop the entire site so it can handle a lot of users doing different things on it. - nathron, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2making gifts worth $1 is great because it actually makes giving somebody one mean something. if they were free, then people would just give away a gift every time they did a wall post.
- HigherLogic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Usability rule #1 with the web is, if you have to wait more than 1-3 seconds for a site to load, you're gonna leave (first time visitors here people, calm down). I have to ask (and wonder) how many people leave out of pure frustration with waiting upwards 20-50 seconds for a page to load.
I'm still wishing they would make a Digg Lite. Drop all the JS for comment hiding and the pages would increase drastically (yeah, I suppose I could disable JS and images for Digg, never actually tried this but will give it a go in a second). If my comment threshold is at -4, then don't show me them. I would sacrifice being able to see a buried comment "slide in to view" than not seeing them at all unless I raised the threshold or had a link on the top to "show all comments." - Downtime, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2dem,
comscore counts one unique visitor per MONTH, not one unique visitor per day per month like most other trackers. - shauncorleone, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@DaygoWop
Mark Zuckerberg - compman85, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I've been on facebook since 2004, when it was still just for college students. It was great.
I only had a myspace account, because it was the only way for me to get into contact with people I knew who didn't go off to a decent college.
I had a myspace account, but never used it. The UI is *****, and the overall functionalities are very limited.
With the addition of "Apps" though facebook, you gain a level of customizability that you don't have with myspace. So with myspace you can change the background picture, on facebook you can't. But really, I like the fact that by keep the background the same, it makes the information clear to read.
I do, however, think that it is interesting that instead of movie makers paying for a domain, they just now make a myspace account for the movie. That shows a really interesting movement in our society.
Overall:
Facebook; Wonderful
Myspace: Crap
Digg; The only one I want connected to my facebook profile! - akira117, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1How about unique vs registered?
I guessing 20 to 1 maybe, probably more than that though..... - webcrunch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@philovivero
"How did you come to that conclusion?"
Because I know Alexa behaves that way. The question was whether Compete does it too.
"Does that you mentioned it somewhere else make this guess somehow more valid?"
No. Why would you think that's what I implied? - shauncorleone, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1A MySpace rep made the comment in the past that the highest reliability and usability is not their priority, since it is a completely free service.
The reason that Facebook is gaining popularity is precisely because of its expansion past school networks and the addition of the news feed and applications. Facebook's usability is head and shoulders above that of MySpace because of their photo album and the fact that they don't allow crap like custom CSS on profiles, which is probably the worst thing to happen to MySpace. The average person is stone-cold stupid when it comes to accepted practices when it comes to visual style on a web page, and it certainly shows when you peruse your friends' profiles.
As for the average Digg unique visitory lifespan, the answer is simple: The WWW is dominated by trolls, not participants. - Kazanoe, on 10/11/2007, -5/+6Don: Unless, of course, they were comparing myspace's growth at when it was at the same point that facebook is now.
Edit: I read the article, don was right, of course. Kick me in the face next time I attempt to defend someone's intelligence. - dearreid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Agreed. comScore MediaMetrix data for the latest month shows Digg having just a fraction of the unique audience of Facebook. Just over 3 million unique visitors to Digg.com, vs. over 25 million to Facebook.com! Compete is doing some funky math, I think.
- HigherLogic, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3>> thats because myspace is so slow that you don't have a choice
Yeah, because we all know Digg is the epitome of a well-optimized, fast-loading website... - nevesis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Oh, the only other thing I was going to mention.
I think that with Facebook's home page -- aka the stalker page showed upon login -- they sort of shot themselves in the foot.
Before, users had to spend time to peruse their friends profiles looking for updates. Although this can grow tiresome and may alienate some users, it kept the average visit time considerably high. Now the average visit time is somewhat low. - Alexx3k, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Yeah I Tried turning off all the javascript and images just on digg.com to see if it improved load time... in actual fact all it did was mean i couldn't actually digg anything. Degradability isn't issue #1 apparently.
- andburn1, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Yeah - we all know that the most interesting stories are the ones that after 10 minutes of reading and responding to comments, you feel mentally exhausted. These are the political stories, stories involving rights and human nature and everything worth talking about. Granted, it IS exhausting arguing about these things, so I feel a balance is necessary.
- pjam3, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1 The thing people don't realize is myspace is yesterdays news.. So wow kids in college and high school used to use. Many probably still have accounts but after they graduate, things change. If they get a job, maybe they don't have as much free time anymore. So when you just limit yourself to college kids, you have to realize those college kids leave school in a few years. And then some other new site and company will be the new in thing.
Digg is cool, but many people don't know what it is because it doesn't offer anything like a facebook or a myspace. Half of Digg are apple fanboys, and whatever is considered "cool" or "not the norm." Problem with that theory is when half the college aged kids move on to real world and don';t wind up getting million dollar offers, they fade from the everyday user.
Catering to high school and college kids are great. But what some of these websites fail to realize is this years batch of college kids might not like the same thing next years college kids like. And if they just keep doing the same things over and over, kids will find something new.
What's popular today might not be popular tomorrow.
But I do agree about myspace. How does a company, owned by Fox and News Corp. not have the ability to fix their site? It has to be one of the slowest sites on the internet. It really doesn't matter if you use a Mac, a PC, or Linux, the site just bogs down. I disable all the images and it still is so damn slow. - Kazanoe, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3More neeto links.
Actually, not really. Just more blogspam. - wonginator1221, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1would it not be the same thing with digg and myspace too?
- Ssullivan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1digg isn't better than facebook...99.9% of the people here are guys.
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