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- joeuttaro, on 06/06/2008, -3/+15Because Apple is REALLY in a position to beat out Cisco.
Think of all of the 7960s in offices worldwide. You think they will suddenly be replaced with something simple, white and has an i in front of it?
***** fanboys. - forumreader, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11YouTube does high definition video conferencing?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Dugg down for use of "hellagood".
- shitthisfook, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5No, it was just a really bad joke that upset everyone who wasted time reading it. Go away.
- wheresmysocks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4When did Cisco's logo go all 2.0?
http://www.cisco.com/swa/i/logo.gif - loginname, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Here is a video of the technology being showcased on Fox's TV show "Vanished".
http://www.cisco.com/web/solutions/telepresence/fox/ - mooninite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If you read the article, it is meant to cut travel expenses.
Cisco put an "enterprise" price tag on it though, so Joe Smoe's like us will never see it.
You could easily replicate this with some HD camcorders and some projectors for around $5000 instead of $80,000, provided you have the Internet connection for it (~4mbit upload). - fishface, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Oct 1, 2006
- michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2For my govt agency to buy this there would have to be a pretty solid ROI for it.
How much money can we save by having HD video teleconference over regular plain old teleconferening?
I can see maybe very top level employees using this. i.e. Admirals, Generals between bases.
CEO's between offices, plants, CFO,CIO, board of dir offices etc.
but I don't think a company is going to adopt widespread use of HD videoconf anytime soon. - drunkenrobot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2HD videoconferencing is made for this:
http://www.artsalive.ca/en/mus/orchestraontour/2004/webcasts/webcasts.asp
The more detail we get, the easier it is to teach music over long distances. - mooninite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"I've played with it, and I do have to say, it's probably worth its price tag."
... because you've never seen HD before? You could easily replicate even their form factor for a significantly reduced price. It's just Cisco pricing. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Youre and idiot
- HeavyMetaler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1420p is not HD resolution...if your meaning 480p that is still SD resolution.
HD starts at 1280x720p < 1920x1080i < 1920x1080p and everything inbetween like the non-standard plasma resolutions of 1366x768p.
And in response to the 2nd post. This is all integrated hardware. A device that is designed to compress/decompress HD video on the fly and convert it to IP data will work a wee bit quicker then your PC. - adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The companies I've worked at that have this in-place seem to use it mostly for the offices across town. We still send people over seas and to other states almost bi-weekly for meetings.
- brbubba, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The vid, http://media.podtech.net/media/2006/10/PID_001243/Podtech_ciscofinal.mov
- sekyuritei, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They'll have to compete with LifeSize (http://www.lifesize.com/). This can do "HD quality" at 1mbit, and the company was founded by ex-Polycom peeps. Higher-def video conferencing does make the difference, as it's not too much different from being in the same room as someone. You have to see this to believe it! It's the same price as regular videoconferencing.. seriously... just get those boss-types to watch a demo, and it's yours to play with! :)
Oh yeah, it doesn't cost ~$80k... check it out... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You'd be amazed at the travel expenses many companies accrue over time. I think the initial investment for this setup is too high at the moment, but once it drops down in price considerably, this will be a HUGE cost saver for companies who's employees have to travel a lot.
Not to mention it could make telecommuting easier and let more people work from a home office. - fishface, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2this is an enterprise solution. Apple is for consumers. If cisco wanted to release a home product, it would probably develop it under the Linksys or Scientific Atlanta brand
- dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Eh, I have a fairly average (home) broadband connection, even at extremely crappy current resoloutions, webcams struggle to keep a steady frame-rate...
For buisness, I agree, HD seems overkill, and, if more than one person want to do similar video-conferencing at the same time (Either in a multiperson session, or seperate conversations), I can imagine the bandwidth usage being.. fairly high.. And, depending on what platform it'll run on, a lot of buisness's computers don't stand a chance of handling HD video (Espically not capturing - My 3GHz P4, with 1GB of RAM stuggles to play back some of the HD video..).
So, your going to have to get ridiclously huge connections between where you want to conference too, only have ~1 conference at a time (Only one video stream), and upgrade the computers it'll run on... Seems a big excessive for something that works equally well with SD video (Acctualy, SD would work better, since you could have a webcam on several people, and send all the video quite easily..)
- Ben
{Edit : Damnit, forgot to spellcheck before sumiting that comment, forgive my spelling..} - symbha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the appeal is being able to have a face to face meeting with someone around the world, where don't have to fly around the world (and not feel like you are missing something from the experience.)
In the long view, air travel will become more expensive, unless we can figure out how to do it without burning something. - m00dy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1stuff like this have to happen so we can have global gigabit home networks ASAP.
HD tech needs to be around so more stations broadcast in HD, and so HD technology becomes cheaper.
People here who seem to be against this are the people who do not have HD TV sets in their homes therefore they will never appreciate HD TV. - adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1pfft I'd believe it. After what my company just spent on some ***** grade video networking stuff, I could see them dishing out a lot more just so they could see the individual hairs on someones head. I never really understood the appeal of this anyway.....
- marksy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@skyshock21
heh, sounds like the evil Eric Cartman - theblindman2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Why? HD just seems like so much overkill for such a basic task as seeing your boss or distributor in Brunei...
Wait, I wont be forced to buy this, and it will probably help drive the cost of bandwidth down...
HAIL HD VIDEOCONFERENCING!!! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1HD resolution at 420p isn't all that bandwidth intensive. Have you ever watched a streaming video on your PC at 420 resolution compressed? It's not that big of a deal. Even at 720 it can be managed fairly easily.
- fishface, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1billion dollar business means a business making a billion dollars a year. Not one that can be sold for a billion. Cisco is already worth much more than that and has several billion dollar business units already
- ReaperUnreal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Dude, I worked on the camera for that.
It's a Lumenera Lw275 that's been modified for the proper formfactor. I've played around with the whole system and it's quite good. The video quality is top notch, and even with a crappy 10Mbit pipe (corporate network), everything went smoothly. Not to mention the whole installation looks awesome. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I am amazed at how little of you actually read Ciscos website and learn about what it is before you criticize it. A lot of you substitute your freedom of speech for freedom of thought, leaving those who read your comments more ignorant than we were before you posted.
Here is the info about the AV details, and reasons why this isn't just another video teleconference system.
Telepresence systems incorporate the most up-to-date standards and technologies to offer the best audio and visual results:
* H.264 video codecs to offer the highest quality and lowest bit rate
* Session Initiation Protocol
* Native 720p and 1080p high-definition cameras
* Native 720p and 1080p high-definition encoding/decoding
* Low-latency architecture and low bandwidth utilization
* Wideband advanced audio coding with low delay (AAC LD)
* Multichannel spatial audio with echo cancellation and interference filters to eliminate feedback from mobile devices
* Optimized environmental conditioning to provide the best audio and video and overall user experience
Network
These systems use the standard IP technology deployed in corporations today, and should run on an integrated voice/video/data network. Such systems support high-quality, real-time voice and video communications with branch offices using broadband connections. They also offer capabilities for ensuring quality of service (QoS), security, reliability, and high availability for high-bandwidth applications such as video, particularly high definition video, which can require 1Mbps to 5Mbps, depending upon the resolution.
Hardware-Optimized Environment
These systems often include purpose-built office furniture, which incorporate cameras and displays, lighting, speakers, microphones, and projection capability into a specially designed table for larger rooms, or, in smaller configurations, with existing office furniture.
Software Applications
TelePresence applications incorporate a variety of new and existing standards-based software for accommodating converged voice and video transmissions, including:
* IP telephony: They work with IP-based phones and call-processing systems from the major networking and telecommunications vendors. This can simplify launching calls because it uses a telephone instead of a complicated remote control.
* Groupware: Integration with enterprise groupware solutions (such as Microsoft Outlook and Lotus Notes) accommodates easy scheduling of meetings and access to corporate information.
* Services: They should enable easy scheduling, management, reporting, billing, and metrics applications to ensure proper tracking and bill-back of activity on the system, as well as real-time support services.
What about interoperability with existing video systems?
The Cisco TelePresence Meeting solution was designed first and foremost to give users a virtual, in-person meeting experience.
To do this, we had to develop video compression technology and hardware/software
architectures that support multi-stream video and audio at high definition resolutions in a
converged media stream, camera/audio switching algorithms for multipoint, encrypted media flows, Unified Communications integration, and environmental designs, which makes Cisco TelePresence a dramatically different technology than low bit rate, single stream video conferencing.
The Cisco TelePresence technology is based upon standards such as Session Initiation
Protocol (SIP) and H.264, which enables future compatibility with other, standards-based video devices at high definition resolution. However, at first release, the Cisco TelePresence Meeting solution will not be tested against other TelePresence systems and Cisco cannot guarantee interoperability. Because of a single codec/camera/display design, the first focus for interoperability with other single stream TelePresence systems will be with the Cisco TelePresence 1000 later in 2007. Due to design architecture, performance, and Cisco platform integration, the Cisco TelePresence 3000 will interoperate only with other Cisco TelePresence systems. As standards emerge for high definition multi-stream visual conferencing systems, Cisco will lead the effort to create interoperability standards with the industry. - oregonjaznut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I agree with Princess....screw cisco and their overpriced star trek creation. In 5 yrs these systems will cost 10K. The HD is on the brink of exploding into the largest telecommunications industry and cisco is just trying to rake it in while they can. Cisco outsources their jobs, they're just another greedy corporation with their coorporate bloggers telling you you're an idiot for using your own common sense. Twatwaffle's credibility speaks for himself in his name.
As sweet as this system may be...its a rip off... - DrunkenMick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Seriously, the first thing i thought of is the bandwidth requirements. If you're doing a videoconference to begin with obviously (hopefully) you're at some distance from whomever. Doing a two way HD video conference you're going to need what, 4-6Mb/s?
It just seems like a lotta overkill for what can be accomplished over the phone in all reality. - princessangry, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0you mean they bought out a company that makes this stuff allready! cisco's on thier shopping spree again! all thier innovations are boguth not made by thier own people. I boycott them becuase the send jobs to india and they are against network nuetrality. they also are too expensive and only fortune 500's can afford thier good routers, thier mid level routers are a joke and an 8 year old kid from japan can crack one of thier routers I am not getting one!
- ReaperUnreal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@moonite
You'd be surprised what went into that. It's not just a camcorder and a TV. The whole thing is embedded into a TV and small box, and is converting everything on the fly. I've played with it, and I do have to say, it's probably worth its price tag. - mooninite, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1It's HD (720p or 1080i/p) so I would hope the video quality is nice...
10Mbit wouldn't be a problem. It's most likely MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 so 5Mbit at the most would be needed.
"duuuuuuhhhhhh look moom i play Halo and counter-strike!!! FUN!11111" - tsunamisteve, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3I know there some Mac-haters here, but iChat video conferencing is hellagood. You can use any camera plugged in through firewire to video conference, meaning you can go buy some decent cameras and be video conferencing with 3 people (plus yourself) effortlessly and inexpensively.
- iainwall, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Amazing!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1It was a joke. And you got mad about it. Haha!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+1Nah, Apple will make iChat HD next year and undercut Cisco.
- roastedbagel, on 10/12/2007, -16/+1YouTube beat them, making it a billion dollar business in less than 2 years. Go kids!
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