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- *Ica*, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14What are you on about? eztv are a torrent releasing group, they hardly have to do anything except be on some FTPs. Most of those TV shows are released by ripping groups LOL, TBS and XOR.
- AeonTorpor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8LOL is the best
- Junel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8They are FINALLY coming around, but I'm sure they'll ***** it up by making it ***** resolution, or full screen rather than wide screen, etc...
- aaronlidman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11they just need to hire all of the [eztv] guys who get it out within 30 minutes after it's on the east coast in great HD @ ~300mb.
- MacGyver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I don't see what the big deal about unskippable ads is. Just do what you do when regular commercials come on the tv. But instead of getting up you can just check out another site for a few minutes
- nirmaldotca, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6how can they ***** this up? Why does everyone want these companies to jump from step 1 to step 10? So what if they offer in a small screen at first you think its going to stay like that forever? Come on dude. :)
This is a great start, and it can only get better. - tuna1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Unskippable commercials, rougly 24 hours later? I would say torrent that, but at least they're making an effort by making it free.
- briansalo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I'll definately be using this, it's better than getting phone calls from my ISP for torrent stuff.
'Webisodes' has gotta be the worst made up word I've heard in the last week... I just had to throw that out there. - livestradamus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4more importantly is it cross OS platform
AND is it going to be banned for those outside of the U.S. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4is it ie only or cross browser?
- GMullen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I've heard this before, this idea was brought up many times by many different podcasts. But the first thing to come to mind is ABOUT DAMN TIME...
I can't wait for the first series to be "aired" online. The dawn of IPTV - Junel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yeah, I found more info and they are screwing it up, it's gonna be streamed, probably in a small ass window, and most likely crappy quality, definitely not as good as what can be downloaded, they'll never learn.
- saddad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'll take CTU/NBS HR any day over those people.
- arizonagroove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Your comment makes it sound like ABC, as in the Disney owned channel, has channels in lots of different countries and they all show Lost. Is ABC in Australia one of them? I thought ABC in Australia was the equivalent of Britains's BBC rather than something owned by Disney? They're website (http://www.abc.net.au/corp/history/hist1.htm) gives that impression anyway.
Here in Britain we're still waiting for season 2 to start. I think it's coming next month. (And it's not on a channel that's anything to do with ABC ;) ) - Bigcat1021, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The ads are the only way they can make money for this.
- cyberfelon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Don't let the "HDTV" in the filename fool you. The shows you get off [eztv] aren't HD, they're just downsampled from an HD source. Even the high-res ~700MB releases aren't HD. They still look good, even on a big HDTV, but a 720p release would look significantly better.
- Otto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"why are you even expecting a high quality downloadable movie?"
Because that's what we WANT. It's not about expectation, it's about determining your users needs and fulfilling those needs.
"ABC's been streaming clips for a while, and is definitely digging on Flash video. High quality or not, the fact is, people will like it... or buy the DVD."
Or pirate it via BitTorrent. Oh wait, they do that now and will continue to do so.
Here's the thing. If they want to avoid piracy, then they need to put the content out there in ways that people will get it and see it. Streaming video sucks. It looks like ass, it's glitchy, it requires massive investment and backend servers, etc. Whereas they could take their shows, stick ads in them, toss up a BT tracker (massive server needed, but not nearly as massive as streaming) and let the whole world get them... and the whole world would. Sure, a few malcontents would cut out the ads and rerelease the content, but most people really wouldn't care about the embedded ads. They'd be happy with the high quality video, they'd be happy that it's legal, they'd praise the foresight of the executive who came up with the idea, they'd tell their friends, the audience would increase... It'd work wonderfully all around. But no, they want to retain too much control over their content, and they're going to pay the costs associated with that.
Controlled content is crap. Everybody else in the world knows this already. - Agret, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Lost is on 7 not ABC...
- screensnot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm interested.
- cleverboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just the opposite... forget about them "ever learning", why are you even expecting a high quality downloadable movie? Such a decision from a network would be the exception to the rule... I know I'd fire the executive that made that decision. Yahoo made a number of tv episodes from certain shows available over the web for free. --Contingent on the fact that you couldn't download it, and run off with it. I tuned in (popularity is great, but note the difference between a "movie star" and a "whore"). The Yahoo experiement worked very well in my opinion. Likewise, services like YouTube, make it very clear that people will "tune in" to something they can never download. ABC's been streaming clips for a while, and is definitely digging on Flash video. High quality or not, the fact is, people will like it... or buy the DVD.
- ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2In America - we watch forign shows before they come out on BT - i bet this wont affect a lot of people :-p
- tanveer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2From the article:
"...expected that consumers who were watching shows in streaming video online would be more alert than if they were watching the same content on television. "It's going to be a different viewing experience," Ms. Simmons said. "Rather than people sitting back in their chairs watching TV, this is going to be a lean-forward experience."
....an interactive marketing agency in New York, said people who were willing to log on to a computer to watch a missed episode might be loyal enough to tolerate the unskippable commercial breaks." - cyclotron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Heh - now the MPAA and feds have a list of torrent users...
- agkamai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Directly from the source:
http://www.disneyabctv.com/datvg_press/dispDNR.html?id=041006_06
Combining an all-new sleek, modern design with user-friendly functionality, ABC.com will offer episodes the day after they premiere on the linear channel. Consumers will be able to pause and move back and forth between "chapters" within each episode, but will not have the ability to fast-forward through advertisements. Episodes will be streamed in 16x9 formatting which offers a cinema-like feel to the viewing experience.
Encoded and streamed in Flash 8, which offers the best video quality and allows users on both Mac and PC platforms to watch the video episode, will be offered in two different sizes. The standard viewing size is 500x282 pixels (streamed at 400kbs), and the larger viewing size is 700x394 pixels (streamed 700 kbps). - vbrtrmn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yeah, those guys are amazing, high-quality wide screen no commercials, with excellent compression.
- Spuby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What happens after the trial?
- they stop this
- they continue it only that they increase the ads display time
- they continue this and add a fee for non-ads versions, better quality - jayf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How long before some browser plug-in detects a change in volume (when the commercial gets louder) and auto-mutes the PC while showing you a blissful screen saver until the volume changes again and the screen saver exits?
I remember when a few TV sets came with built-in commercial skippers. They seemed to disappear because of complaints from the cable companies. I can only imagine how much easier it would be to skip a commercial on a programmable computer and how much harder it would be to tell people not to. - Junel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ads for lost are pretty bad when watching it "live", I'd say every six minutes which would turn out to about 7 commercial breaks for the hour, which sounds about right because 7x6=42mins, which is about how long lost turns out to be without the ads, but that's just a guess. They lay the commercials on pretty thick for such a popular show.
- microsoftpwner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1it was? where is the link?
- btipling, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'll still buy the itunes versions (I like to 'own' them), but this is cool.
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Hang on. Let's clear this up;
ABC = American Broadcasting Corporation
but ABC also = Australian Broadcasting Corporation
We're talking about the U.S. ABC interfering with Australian broadcast times, which are delayed by a few weeks on Australian 'channel 7'. Agret just got totally confused with AUS/USA BCs. - Kindred420, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i have no faith in ABC. Ill stick to EZtv and TVtad,easy and quality is fantastic.
- treelovinhippie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Hmm, I reckon the ABC in other countries are going to be pissed... since Lost here in Australia is a couple of weeks behind Lost in the US.
- Strongoloid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I listened to this story on NPR today, it sounds like a good step in the right direction. I mean, I'm not interested at all (for these shows at least), but Internet TV from major networks is a good idea in my book.
- sophiaperennis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Don't forget that there's a big group of people, that are not as tech-savvy and HD-demanding as your average digg user here, and not all people care about having to watch commercials. Either way, this is a good incentive from the ABC network, regardless of the quality aspect and the inclusion of ads. I prefer no ads and 1080p HD, but that's a different story. We'll see how well it is received over time.
- slicedoranges, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This was on the front page like, yesterday.
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Think of these companies just releasing high quality versions via bit torrent with periods of time that split to half screen and show a banner ad while the video plays... it would effectively get advertising into the file and at the same time get the company's fan base to stop pirating the ad free versions.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Regardless of what you want to believe, we are NOT going to move toward internet downloading of TV any time soon. If anything, the next step toward onDemand TV will be what cable providers already offer with onDemand. Time Warner is already urging all networks to offer their content onDemand (for free).
http://digg.com/technology/Time_Warner_urges_all_networks_to_go_OnDemand
This will DEFINITELY happen before all shows are available online. Because it makes far more sense. Most people...the vAST majority of TV viewers...do not want to download a TV show, burn it to a DVD-R and then watch it. They would MUCH rather push a few buttons on their TV remote to watch it.
Basic cable already does it. Time Warner is just now pushing for the networks to do it as well. If it is anything like the basic cable onDemand or HBO onDEmand, it will not be everything, but it will be nice.
Regardless of how content is brought to the user on demand, it will NOT be replacing the first run, regularly scheduled programming that has been the normal for decades. You will not be able to watch a program until AFTER it airs at its regularly scheduled time on the netowrk, with commercials, etc. Anyone who expects that to change any time soon of kidding themselves. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That is why this is NOT the next wave of TV viewing. Not so much due to caps, whcih I think most ISPs have gone away with. But WHY make users download stuff off the internet, which would take several minute, when they could just offer it through their cable box with the existing onDemand service that virtually all cable providers already have!
I think Digg users fail to realize how tiny of a minority they are in when it comes to the average American. Most..almost ALL..Americans don't spend more than an hour a day on the computer away from work. Most don't WANT to.
Also...when this does get offered, te vast majority of people who use it will NOt be using it to repalce watching the program during its regularly scheduled time. They will use it to catch up if they miss it. People still want to watch programs as soon as they are offered. They don't want to wait until the next day.
Imagine waitng for the Sopranos to go onDemand, and then going into work the next day and hearing that Tony was shot in the season opener, and you haven't seen it yet. And last season driving in your car and hearing a radio guy talk about Adriana getting killed just as you were pulling into your driveway about to download the previous night's episode - afrazkhan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1
How can you people stand it?! Ads every five minutes?! That's not a teevee show with commercial breaks, that's forced advertising with the promise of some entertainment during the breaks.
God bless the BBC, and God bless the queen. - KiwiRed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For a moment I almost thought you were being serious and actually used the word 'own' in the literal sense. (Ah, DRM how I love thee - mostly from a safe distance)
- Sblader5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yea ill still be using bittorrent
- samuelcotterall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's awsome.
I'm starting to think about my computers more and more as entertainment devices - so much so that I don't have a television in my bedroom, and I watch almost all of my films on DVD on my computer.
But I'm stumped when it comes to TV shows and video games.
Over in the UK we had Channel 4 release episodes of "The IT Crowd" a week before they were shown on TV, which was really handy for time shifting. But there's nothing like watching something on a 30" widescreen television... - Otto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1HMTKSteve: Easily done. Google's player is a modified version of the videolan client (VLC). It's free and source is available. Building in torrent functionality wouldn't be that hard, and you could also build in an RSS reader to get the torrents from your own site. Those who wanted to could then use that player and such. Those who wanted to roll their own could simply use existing software to read the RSS, download the files, play them, etc. They could get stats on downloads from their tracker.
I suspect that they all go for streaming video because they're hiring outside companies to do this sort of thing for them, and these outside companies are greedy bastards milking the studios for all they can, therefore they recommend the solution that requires the most hardware, bandwidth, and services, increasing their profits from the deal. - lukas88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My dad actually needs ads to enjoy TV. I think he likes the break every once in a while. I have been downloading shows for 2 or 3 years now so I am spoiled and hate ads.
- RexKwando, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Reluctance is natural. Hopefully the industry will get it right and realize the significance of the internet market. Let's just hope it doesn't go too far!
- ross., on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'd be surprised if they offered anything better than 4:3 in a little window.
- *Ica*, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Don't let the "HDTV" in the filename fool you. The shows you get off [eztv] aren't HD, they're just downsampled from an HD source. Even the high-res ~700MB releases aren't HD"
I think most people realise this. But they sure look a lot better than SD sourced rips. The 700MB ones they call half res, and they do look better. Even on my 8mbit connection it would take ages to download real HD rips, they arent easily available for that reason. I think the latest 24 rip was about 2GB! - sbep, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Nobody is saying anything about episodes that already aired. Will they be available on-line? And does somebody know if they started already?
- lava, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I use tvtad with the combined tvt and eztv rss feed right now, and it's my most favorite thing ever. I wake up in the morning and the daily show is ready for me to watch. I can also check out british shows, which is totally sweet. Would any of you guys pay for a service like this? This is exactly what I want but there's no way the networks would get together and offer this. I think I would pay about 20 bucks per month for the ability to download any show I want, which is much more money per content than getting cable.
Oh man, if they only had torrents for EPL games... :( -
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