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- aaronm67, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35There's a reason there's an "Apple" section. That way, if people want to read only apple articles, they can. But, more importantly, for people who are completely sick and tired of reading all of the iPhone and "OSX > WINXP" and "Why OSX ROX" articles can simply block that section don't have to read them all. Use the Apple section please.
- EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -9/+39Hey!
I am a geek! ...and I don't want an iPhone... - ChaserHimself, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26After my initial knee jerk reaction of "Holy crap, I want one!", my excitement has plummeted. Why can't I just get my 80 or 100GB widescreen video ipod? That's all I wanted in the first place. Eh, it'll eventually come out and I'll keep waiting.
- bleutuna, on 10/12/2007, -14/+38Let me repeat, as I continually have to do in iPhone threads:
THE IPHONE IS NOT REVOLUTIONARY. IT IS EVOLUTIONARY.
MOST of the functionality of an iPhone can be gotten somewhere else. It's been possible to get it somewhere else since the turn of the century. Microsoft has had all of this functionality (and more, in some cases) in PocketPC Phones for over 7 years now.
When you take an existing idea, replicate it, and put a pretty face on it and add maybe one or two neat things - that's an EVOLUTION of a concept. Not a REVOLUTION.
PocketPC phones STILL have touchscreen interfaces. They have the ability to change the orientation of the image from landscape to portrait and back. They do email. And Web browsing. And calls. And Spreadsheets. And blah blah blah.
In 3 months, MS could create WindowsMobileTS - have it look EXACTLY like the iPhone interface, and voila - the iPhone is suddenly old news. And you'd be able to get the functionality on multiple vendors from Toshiba to Samsung to HTC to Palm and more. Other people have played with multi-touchscreen before. Nintendo did it in their research for the DS. Not an Apple-ONLY concept. Neither are Accelerometers - they're in tons of products.
The iPhone is a sexy PocketPC - but that's really all it is. Nothing more. Nothing really new. - Cronus6, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25"from what we've soon so far, the iPhone is the greatest consumer device ever produced."
Let me guess, you've never heard of the automobile, refrigerator, personal computer, telephone (I mean first telephones) or television right?
It's a freaking smartphone, there's really not MUCH new here. Just because it has that stupid logo on it does NOT make it Gods gift to mankind. - coheedcollapse, on 10/12/2007, -15/+37Wow. I never knew that the same repetitive crap I hear in the PS3 bashing threads could be used to defend the iPhone. Bravo.
- FishyJoe, on 10/12/2007, -20/+40As far as I know, Apple hasn't said it's a supercomputer in your hand. Nor are they trying to shove a new media format down our throat.
- RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26The iPhone has been dead to me ever since Jobs said he won't allow 3rd party apps on it.
- coheedcollapse, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Hilarious. One or two negative posts about the iPhone and people are already pissed. I remember putting up with at least a month or two of anti-PS3 posts before it came out.
I'm not saying the thing is going to suck or anything. The situation is just silly. - astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -8/+23Cringely had some interesting takes on the iPhone:
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070111_001476.html
1. Whether its called iPhone or Apple Phone when its released, the thing with Cisco is nothing but free publicity ensuring that everyone will know then Apple's phone is released.
2. Cingular likely paid a handsome sum for an exclusive Apple release. They have a 3G network, but it's associated with Cingular's video network, which uses RealPlayer, not Quicktime or H.264, so Apple's not interested. They'll support 3G when a H.264 video service is available.
As far as price is concerned, it's comparable to Treos and BlackBerrys, especially when you consider the media capabilities of the device. They're not a bargain, but they certainly won't be collecting dust on store shelves. For a first-revision device, it comes with a huge amount of software. The only thing that's really missing is an iChat or other IM client. - liquilife, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16"iPhone is the greatest consumer device ever produced"
That is saying a lot for a product that is not in the hands of the consumer yet. The greatest consumer device will be a device that is affordable to everyone, not a glassy cell phone that runs you $600. - michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12CNET should be fellating Steve Jobs for giving them miles of ink on this.
He gave them 6 months worth of clicks. They'll be writing about this all year.
Build it up, tear it down, repeat.
hey CNET don't forget to work the shaft. - killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -18/+29but they can shove their DRM up their ass.
- liquilife, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16CNET is objectionable, not anti-apple. The sorry truth here is you are such a fan-boy that any time someone is not praising the apple you get infuriated.
- phaux, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13yea it will, but like many other smart consumers they are going to wait for it to drop in price and even possibility for the next generation which will hopefully answer all these easily dealt with criticisms. I'm not going to be switching to an expensive cingular service to buy a 600 phone, even though it is cool. but i WILL drop 400 for a 3g unlocked iphone, me and half the country
- Cronus6, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19CNET hit the nail on the head with this statement :
7. Who's this phone for, anyway? Who can afford this thing?
This answer is simple: Paris Hilton.
The iPhone looks to be the next glamour phone, albeit one with serious potential
That's exactly what it is, a glamour "OMG look how cool I am" phone.
Anyone who NEEDS a smart phone is going to pick one of the better (read: one with a sliding QWERTY keyboard, and 3rd party apps) ones. - michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I think this year will be remembered as the year the PS3 method was developed.
A method by which a population of web users implement a concerted effort to destroy a products chances of succeeding before or shortly after its released.
Rip it apart on any forum you can post on. Take facts about the product and re-frame them in the worst possible light.
Exaggerate the negative aspects of the product while ignorant the cool stuff about it.
Takes all kinds of ***** to make this world go round. - killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -15/+25It IS too expensive! You can get a phone for free! I don't care how shiny it is: free > $500.
- stoops, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I'm with you, all I wanted was the iPhone's screen on top of an 80 gig hard drive for an iPod and Apple would have received my money.
- JerodSlay, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11This "phone of the future" doesn't even shoot video. At least hold out for the 2.0 that might be able to video UCLA students getting tazered. Video on phones is more important that one might think.
The article also made a really really good point about blind use. No more can you keep your eyes on the road while dialing by touch, (not that you should use the cell while driving), but if that is Jobs' attempt to end phone driving, it's not going to work; it's going to make it more dangerous. - theonlyvlad, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Actually I think the biggest point, and the one that I think eventually people will realize is the biggest is the lack of buttons. That point I haven't even considered before.
Think about your cellphone. I bet that most people are so used to the phone they hvae they can reach most numbers in their address book with at most one quick glance at the device. It's touch memory. Think about operating the iPhone in the car. Impossible if you have to continously look on the screen to see which buttons you are pressing. And sure apple may put voice dialing in, but that usually ends up making the user look like an idiot screaming at a piece of plastic.
It will still sell like hotcakes, for every apple user that can afford one will crave and get one. But anyone who actually uses their phone a lot, under not ideal conditions, will deem it uncomfortable.
Btw, looking at how much most iPods scratch, can you imagine the condition of this puppy after it's been in someone's pocker for about a week? - michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10a kick in the nuts is free.
so I guess
a kick in the nuts is free > $500.
the point is there is no such thing as a free lunch. you get what you pay for. - 8bit_Hero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@eboy
"what phone out there can you buy 3rd party apps or run any apps besides the ***** they give you"
Hello Moron, both treos (palm and windows) can play a variety of apps (both from their respective OS's) it's the Apple apps you have to question. Apple is the company with proprietary (see iPod & iTunes) - transcendz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7There's no revolution in there, pushing limits for certain functions can't be called a "revolution". A revolution is a complete turn-over or rebuild of something, with a philosophy going beyond the previous one, IMHO. Speaking about real buttons, I tend to agree, but using a phone in a car when driving is very dangerous and illegal here, in Europe. Anyway, the hype CNET is so concerned about has just started, I don't understand their doubt.
- GregR, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@ jer2eydevil88
"...Just remake the same mistakes Steve because Bill is really good at taking what you do and making it a success."
Yeah, the Zune comes to mind! - voidptr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"Okay, thats why they didn't include it in THIS round of the iPhone. got it. Lets move on."
The problem is that unlike the iPod, early adopters of this thing get screwed. The iPod took a couple revs to get right, and it was expensive to buy a new one after 9 months, but it was possible if you really wanted a new one.
With a 2 year lock in on the contract, the first generation is going to be obsolete while early adopters still have 12 or 18 months left on their contract. I can't put it in a drawer or sell it on ebay and go buy a rev 2, I have to wait till June 2009 when my contract runs out to upgrade. - TheXeno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@coheedcollapse
It really is funny isn't Coheed? The moment I heard the price of the iPhone I instantly thought of the PS3 and all the overpriced-way too advanced-technology-hubris-mud slung at it and realized it would happen all over again.
The same arguments, and the same defense. People will get the iPhone if it suits their needs. People will get the PS3 if it suits their needs. And people will argue to no end about everyone's desire to do so. - rnelsonee, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Pfft. If Microsoft could make a UI half as good as Apple does, Apple would be out of business. The UI is the whole reason people are going ***** over the iPhone. The first iPods had less space and less features than the other early players, but it was easy to use and sync. I have yet to see a PocketPC or smartphone that was easy to use.
Microsoft *might* be able to mimic the UI, but only if they hire all new people and get ready to adopt new ideas. - cybermort, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1513 speculations of a product that won't be released for another 6 months
- zach99998, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@ m3mn0n
if you could care less, why dont you? - astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -14/+19Apple is not trying to compete with the ruby-studded junk-phones that the carriers give to teenagers.
- Myrddin5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Yes it is too expensive. Just like the 1st gen iPod was. iPhone will really take off with later iterations when technology will be cheaper and smaller. Like the iPod really took off with the minis, iPhone will.
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10No but they did say it runs OS X, that to me meant it could actually do something more than what Apple had packed with it out of the box! Instead they charge us $500 for a mini computer that can't.. or rather is locked from doing anything an innovative 3rd party developer might want it to do.
Apple had me at touch screen, they kept me going through the neat interface and motion sensing, they had me look the other way when they announced the price and they kicked me out on the street with their Cingular deal and their insistence to retrace old steps... Just remake the same mistakes Steve because Bill is really good at taking what you do and making it a success. - SpacedCowboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4And here I get to use the same comment twice in one digg story...
... so during the keynote, when Jobs was on the phone to Phil Schiller (who asked him for a photo), I *didn't* see him browse for the image, mail it to Phil, all the time that Phil was on the 'phone, continuing his conversation throughout ? Not much difference between downloading and emailing an image, at least in terms of multitasking data transfer...
I think the author has an ID-ten-T issue....
Simon - thomaschmidt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Ok, right, Enough with that iPhone nonsense. I am and always have been (from the apple II days) an Apple Fan, never owned a PC, but i think Apple is making a giant mistake with this device. iPhone is a very different beast from an iPod, which serves simple purpose and has a very simplistic- if efficient - interface. What are you doing with the iPod? Putting it on, press play, listen to music, skip a track, pause, occasionally check your contacts or play a game, and turn it off. The design is great for that, straightforward and esay to understand.
The iPhone is different, and that is what is wrong with it. It may be a great phone, with whatever innovative interface, it overlook some fundamentals of the phone market: contrarily to the iPod, the iPhone, like any phone is a very heavy duty device. You put it in your backpack, in your pocket (is that even possible w. the iPhone ?), you use it in the street etc. crontrarily to the iPod out-of-the-way, safe-in-my-pocket nature.
So I think that if the iPhone is really only a phone (no 3rd party software), prople will soon consider it for what it is: an overpriced and overhyped phone disguised in a pda-phone. Let alone the fact that calling in the street would equate to screaming "rob me! rob me!". I'll keep my crappy nokia, thank you. And by the way, i have google maps and gmail on it as well.
I find it very disappointing and dangerous that apple moves away from its core market to dilute its focus on consumer electronics that, if failing would put a serious dent in its reputation as a brand. There I sais it. - bleutuna, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Uh, that's exactly what he's talking about. If you're party guests are jamming to whatever music selection, and you get a call - the party stops so you can answer it.
Probably, this isn't a big deal, and there SHOULD be a way to disable the phone function. If there's not, the author is right. - Cronus6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"this article is bs. its not apples fault that cingular is *****."
Apple chose to partner with Cingular... so yes, it IS their "fault". If they were unhappy with Cingular, they could have partnered with one of the numerous other providers. (and then people would be whining about them instead).
[Note: Cingluar is an excellent provider in South Florida, I've not a single complaint with them. I only hope that all this hype drops the prices of the OTHER smart phones they stock] - celticeric, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Looks like Lisa or NextCube all over again. An expensive and too ambitious product that attracts a lot of window shoppers but not many buyers.
And it's unlikely that Nokia, Motorola, LG, RIM, etc... are going to take any of this lying down. The iPod barely has competition. The cellphone market has vicious competition. - zephc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Am I the only one that noticed that Nintendo commented that it was not 3 gig? The two versions were 2 and 4 gig. What am I missing?"
3 gig? What? There will be 4GB and 8GB models of the iPhone... i don't understand the rest of your sentence - where did Nintendo come in here? - theonlyvlad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@michaelb1
What is the big picture, I ask? I would like to take a look at the goals that a user of a device like this might have. Now, goal #1 is organization. That means, I have my address book, appointment book, directions on how to get to meetings, maybe some voice recording features for meetings.
Now the iPhone's interface is great for that, if the on-screen keyboard is actually comfortable to use. We will wait and see. Again, as I said before, tactile feedback is a plus, especially when buttons are smaller than your fingers. Other than that, yes, multi-touch is the future. But the multi-touch interface wasn't "invented" by Apple. Just watch the Jeff Han presentation of a full fledged device like that on YouTube. It's amazing, and yes, it is in my honest opinion the future of computer interaction.
The iPhone also gets a minus because of compatibility. Apple is amazing at making their products work together. Undoubtedly with the iPhone they will create some proprietary application that will sync all the data with MailApp, your address book, etc. But since Jobs will only have what he wants on the device, syncing with 3rd party PC apps will be always problematic. If Apple is smart they will include sync tools for Outlook, Lotus Notes, and every other popular PC PIM application.
Let's now look at task #2: Calling people. Again, it's great that it senses the fact that the phone is to your ear and turns the display off. Details like this is where apple really shines. But as I said earlier, the biggest problem is lack of physical buttons. Your keyboard F and J keys have a bump for a reason. So does the 5 key on many phones. I can dial a number without looking at the phone too much. This comes in very handy when I'm in a car, or talking to someone.... Or hell, imagine if you're a student with money to burn... but wait, try covertly sending a text during class without being able to feel buttons.
Taks #3: play multimedia content.
Well, Apple knows how to do this. They made the iPod. And the best thing about the iPod is the wheel, because there is no, no better way to browse very long lists of items: you have infinitely variable speed, and more importantly, unlimited motion. Now the iPhone may feature a virtual wheel, which will be a tad harder due to lack of tactile response again. Or, from the demos we've seen, it will feature a "flick" interface, which I think is a step backwards in ease of use.
And of course, using it in your pocket without looking becomes harder. Unless apple includes some obvious places for things like next, back, play/pause, volume, you'll be taking this thing out whenever you want to change what's playing.
Also keep in mind that at 8gb max, you won't be buying this puppy for its audio player, nor, surely, for its video player. With such capacity, horizontal video playback (supposedly higher def) is a joke.
Now, we can keep it down to those 3 tasks. I won't touch browsing the web, because I think its shortcomings and advantages are covered by the 3 I listed.
The problem is, doing all 3 in one device. Where's the problem? Well, say you've just been commuting on your train watching Spiderman, and by the time you get to your office you barely have enough battery to schedule that new meeting, let alone make a call. Or you've had a busy day on the phone, and by the time you head home there's no more juice for listening to some tunes.... And of course, with no replacable battery, I imagine most iPhone owners will be keeping a charger with them, tethering the phone at every occasion.
So really, I think Apple is a little lost in who it wants to cater to with this device, and how it's going to improve upon each of the individual experiences. - iamexcite, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I completely agree with zdiggler.
I had an old nokia with real buttons for about 5 years (and when I got it it was being phased out). Cingular seemes to have cut all the TDMA towers where I live and work, so I had to change to a GSM phone. Got one that had no volume to speak of and a miniscule directional pad. Traded it back for a Razr which is alright, but the keys are nowhere near as good as the actual buttons that I'd used. The Nokia was outdated and looked like a brick, but the basic operations just worked. It was made first and foremost to make calls, not access the Cingular Media Store to buy new background movies (default menu option on my Razr).
I'm a neutral user (own PCs, use macs sometimes, don't really think it's worth fighting over) and have to admit that Apple makes some really nice interfaces. Hopefully they'll get it right on this one and not pull a "drag the CD into the trash to eject." I am hopeful that they are moving the focus back towards making calls as stated in the keynote. I'll probably never buy an iPhone (I really just need to make and receive calls and don't want to spend $100 a month to do it), but maybe others will follow suit. - zdiggler, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14Yeah, stupid button less piece of crap! That require to look at the phone just preform a simple thing like dial a number. I'm in a van all the time and I can use the phone without taking eye off the road.
You can't even carry extra battery for replace battery your self. I don't care how good the phone is we'll know that Cell Phone batteries never get properly charged and they go bad all the time.
Just like Volume controls, NOTHING beat the good old KNOB! Touch screen are definite not for phone.
You can keep that phone! - dhenderson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4
So close but...
Too expensive.
Far too little storage, especially for the price.
Not really OS X apparently.
Greasy smudge prone screen - even during the video of the demo you could see the great smear that you would have to continually do battle with. - Agret, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Rip it apart on any forum you can post on. Take facts about the product and re-frame them in the worst possible light.
Exaggerate the negative aspects of the product while ignorant the cool stuff about it."
It'd be harder to ignore the cool stuff about the PS3 if there was actually any cool stuff. So it's got a web browser that can barely surf the web, who cares? So it has a broken de-centralized online service that allows you to download demos much like XBOX Live, who cares? The only "cool" stuff the PS3 has is already done better by the 360. When some decent games (MGS4, next FF) come out then they'll be on the front page, until then it's all negative because that's all we've got. - Flarup, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Im tired of people bitching about the IPhone price. I don't know how the price range of mobiles are in the US, but in Europe there's lots of phones that does a hell of a lot less than the IPhone that has the same price tag. Several of Nokia's high end phone easily hits the 500 dollar tag.
The IPhone isn't really that expensive for a device that does all that, which you carry around all day. - kronix2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Probably in response to the Apple fanboys who've hyped the iPhone to ridiculous proportions.
I have an iPod Video, so I'm not adverse to buying an Apple product. I won't be buying the iPhone, however. It probably won't be locked in to one carrier when it reaches the UK, but it'll still have a non-replaceable battery, no memory slot and it'll still refuse to run third-party apps. That and it's impractical - most phones are sturdy and resist scratches. I have a feeling a lot of people are going to crack and scratch the screen. - donnydarko319, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6The biggest turn offs for me are the price and, perhaps more importantly, the design. For a iPod, which you can keep in a case, sock, or pocket, chrome and glass monitors are fine. But for a fone which you have to pick up, perhaps while eating, may be inclined to sit on tables, steps, which will more than likely drop, and u have to press up to your ear, it's a horrible design. Style over function is NOT cool in a device whose price can only be justified by using it as an essential business tool.
- ridinlow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Since when has any touch screen smartphone not been prone to smudging?
- SpacedCowboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4No, they believe that in the first 18 months (6 months of this year, 12 months next), they'll persuade 10 million people to (gasp) join from *other* networks as well. Jobs' exact words were that grabbing 1% market-share (10M phones) was their goal for their first full year in 2008.
Frankly I think that number is probably targetted low. So far pretty much everyone I've spoken to has said they're thinking of getting one. 18 months gives you a good swathe of people leaving contracts as a feeder-source, and it's only $500. I paid £500 (about $1000) + 2 years contract for a Nokia 9000 five years ago, which did *immensely* less, had a *much* more clunky interface, and weighed a ton. It was still amazing for the time, and that's the point.
This thing is going to be immensely popular, and immensely profitable. If I had money, I'd be buying Apple stock now, I reckon they'll be at ~$150 this time next year...
Simon - DrMonkeyLove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yeah, my first question about the phone was, "can I download songs directly to it?" The answer is apparently "no".
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