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- Nahor, on 10/12/2007, -6/+31I haven't heard anyone say "I am just using Firefox till IE7 comes out". Is anyone planning to switch from Firefox to IE7?
- fiorenza, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23I always keep an open mind, if that's what you mean. FF 2.0 doesn't look that great to mr, but of course it wil be a long time before I can trust IE if ever.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Lynx still not gaining grounds ?
- meltingrobot, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13I'd prefer that it quickly take over. I'm not one for long waits.
- Ascus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I use Opera for most of my browsing and am VERY happy with it. I don't even use the mouse gestures or widgets. It just a simply fast browser.
- RedZeppelin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9We use IE at work, so I've been playing with IE7 to see how it works. It's a very good browser. If I could get flashblock and adblock extensions for it ala Firefox I'd probably switch to IE7 as my full time browser.
- freff, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Personally, I have no intention of trying out IE7 until after at least the first 2 security patches roll out for it. And for the life of me, I can't figure out why more people don't use Opera.
- chrono13, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Or develop to, or as close to standards as possible, then apply "fixes" to make it work in IE.
Speaking of standards support, those who have seen some of the concept applications that ignore IE and just develop designs and applications to standards have seen some pretty amazing stuff. Proof of concepts like 3d dungeons and first person shooters designed entirely with CSS and DOM: http://www.brothercake.com/site/resources/reference/3d/
(note that the link to the demo is at the bottom, and will work in almost every browser... except IE).
Some other good demos: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/dom/samples/
Again: IE will choke on many of these.
IE's lack of standards support and piss-poor rendering is holding the web back. There are some things you just can't hack to force it work in IE.
IE7 isn't much better. - jlunski, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8One browser, multiple platforms - Firefox FTW. I have a Macbook and two PCs at home and a PC at work; I use Firefox on all of them if nothing else just for continuity. Tabbed browsing got me started on FF but to me it is superior to IE (v 6 anyway) in every way EXCEPT printing, I tend to have some problems in FF when trying to print selected text instead of an entire page, mainly the browser and all open tabs "encounter a problem and needs to shut down", always at the most inopportune times.
- Brajeshwar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well, I would rather say that it is the primary browser that you use that counts, otherwise all designers, developers should use both to test their designs/applications.
- there4iam, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Isn't just about every headline that uses the word "still" not really news?
- porkstacker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"I haven't heard anyone say "I am just using Firefox till IE7 comes out". Is anyone planning to switch from Firefox to IE7?"
May I be the first one to respond, "***** NO!!!" - pixelmixer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I've used IE 7, but I found that it crashes almost continuously on the RC's I've tried on a 64 bit PC with 32 Bit windows. I know that shouldn't make a difference, but it does for some reason i guess.
I'm not entirely dissuaded because of this, but I'm definitely going to wait until it is officially released before I even attempt to try it again. - mvent2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@i440,
Firefox? Slow? Are you out of your mind? Gecko is among the fastest rendering engines out there. It can run on OS/2. As for Firefox filling your memory, I suggest upgrading from 64MB RAM in this day and age, or at least playing with the settings like I did to optimise it. ;) - meeee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3http://www.opera.com/
It's FREE you know. Not as in open source, but as in sex with your girlfriend (no, not as in boring, repetitive and predictable, but as in LOVE and BONDING) - foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5As long as IE is going down, its good.
Firefox, Opera, and Safari need to compete. If they all held a 33% market share and IE 1%, thats good enough. The competetion will make them improve. Lack of competetion got IE's quality to go down or atleast, not keep up with current trends. Same thing happened with Netscape.
There HAS to be competition or the product fails in the long-run - truebullfan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4It seems to me once IE7 comes out there will be less people switching to firefox. IE7 is a major upgrade and unless you really need the extensions i dont see novice internet users switching.
I also dont think people who use firefox will switch to IE7 b/c there satisified w/ it. Unless there are huge memory leaks firefox will keep its 12 % marketshare but it'll be harder for them to gain ground once IE7 comes out. - Quix, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I imagine if you eliminated all the browser activity during office hours, when many of us are FORCED to use IE, that it would have a much smaller share.
I hope to see the use of alternative browsers continue to grow, and grow quickly. Browser monoculture is bad for the Web. Very bad. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7@SuperGhost:
This is one of those situations where web developers have to take the stand and get their users to adopt web standards, even if they don't care about them. - ngmcs8203, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Am I the only one here, but didn't we see these exact some numbers on a front page article from a different blog/site?
http://www.macnewsworld.com/rsstory/53528.html was the story that was front paged yesterday.
I can see duping a story that never made the front page or was a link to a horribly written blog with a link to an outside story, but this?... - guice, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I've played with IE7, but it still has issues I don't like. Until IE7 gets proper CSS2 compliance, I'll continue to advocate Firefox/Opera as a better choice. As far as I know, the IE team still has no plans to work on CSS3 implementation; Fx/Opera both have already started moving into CSS3.
- arizonagroove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Is anyone planning to switch from Firefox to IE7?"
No, because there isn't a Linux or Mac version of IE7 and Linux and Mac is what I use. - JohnKNYC, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The point of the numbers is not to see which browser people prefer. The point is to see which browsers are being used, so office computers should count.
- Jammerdelray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm not planning to switch from Firefox to IE 7 full....I'll just use IE 7 for windows update and the very very few sites that don't render right in firefox
- Prophet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Firefox has it's problems, but unlike IE, the updates fix things. Every update makes things better. Every update of IE fixes things that shouldn't have been broken in the first place (security things).
- DanielNielsen, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9What can i say IE sucks balls, i hope Firefox slowly takes over IE, there is really no doubt that Firefox is the supreme web browser and will continue to be so.
- mvent2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You don't need to switch to IE for that. Just download this:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/download/plugin.aspx - flyingdeath, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I was used to the Firefox before IE7 came out. (Just 'coz of those tabs)
But I think IE7 is a very good browser. Works well for me. I prefer it to the Firefox now which is slower. - mdowden, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Tabbed browsing made a lot of people switch. Problem is tabbed browsing will send them back to IE7 without ever realizing that the MS major upgrade didn't include better CSS support or many other critical standards issues. I've only seen poorer performance in tests than IE6 when it comes to CSS.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6If anything, I'm using Firefox until Safari 3 comes out.
I can't stand IE7's interface. It has less room for tabs than Firefox due to the placement of those toolbar buttons on the right side, and putting stop and refresh on the right side of the address bar looks and feels weird. The icons also feel very Fisher Price and XP-ish. IE7 also doesn't fix all of IE6's web standards problems. - dadood, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I have been using Flock as my primary browser since it was released. It has features built into it (Flickr, clipboard, rss reader, etc.) that I've come to use daily. And as a huge bonus I still use all my favorite Firefox extensions.
I have IE 7 RC2 installed at home, it's ok. It has tabs now... I had tabs on IE6 with the Yahoo! toolbar. Get me some decent extensions then we'll talk. I definitely don't see myself using it as my primary browser anytime soon. - HuwJanus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5I wouldn't use IE6 if paid to do so (Although I test home brewed web pages with it) and I loath Firefox, which has always been slow and clunky. Opera is my browser of choice and I don't see that changing any time soon.
- RyanJones, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2" too many rendering problems and other quirky annoyances with Firefox."
Err.... blame the website authors who write sub-standard IE specific code. The browser does what its told, it renders what you send it - it can't be expected to make up for all the crappy code out there. - RyanJones, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"A user doesn't care if their browser is standards compliant. Neither if their browser fully supports CSS and the DOM. If it doesn't work, IE or not, they will simply find a website that does."
You'd be surprised. People see screen shots and people commenting on how great a service is in another browser it can make people switch browsers rather than switch services. Thats what's happening right now and its a good thing because its pushed the IE dev team to start standards support again. - ldavid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Maybe we should conduct a survey of our own?
Digg this comment if you are a firefox fan, or give this comment the thumbs down if you are a IE7 fan!
Cast your votes...! :D - bugninja, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Of course IE is losing ground, competition has entered the market and IE is the default browser for people unless they OPT to download Firefox. How do you figure IE would GAIN ground????? This story will ALWAYS be the same.
- sadler121, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Just wait till IceWeasel is forceably pushed to users of Debian based distro's. Firefox's numbers are going to plummet.
- pamela12345, on 02/07/2008, -0/+0No
- stalefries, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2The problem with that is tat worldwide, it's always office hours somewhere.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Iceweasel my friends, Iceweasel...
- Escamillo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7Seems that other stats released this week show the exact opposite, that FF (and Safari) lost ground since July while IE gained.
http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=6307
http://www.onestat.com/html/aboutus_pressbox48-microsoft-internet-explorer-usage.html
Opera is better than them all anyway. - diggalf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've tried Firefox, but it's so much slower to load and run. IE has always run like a dream for me, so I can't wait to upgrade to version 7. Plus, IE renders pages properly, whereas Firefox mucks them up frequently and I often have trouble getting plugins to work. Very happy with IE.
- boblmartens, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Nope, not going to be changing any time soon. Personally, I am waiting for Firefox 2.0 more than IE, and Safari 3.0 a lot more than both.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3That's a lot of people, and with IE going down, it means Firefox is taking IE users.
Imagine what would happen if Dell signed an agreement with the Mozilla Foundation to ship Firefox by default on their PCs, like they've done with the Google software bundle. - mthoringen, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7If FF and IE had identical functionality and security, I would use FF. IE is closed source; why trust MS when I don't have to?
But the IE security problems (unlikely to end with IE7) and the FF extensions make the choice not even close. I'd be surprised if IE's market share losses didn't continue after the IE7 release. - SuperGhost, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5A user doesn't care if their browser is standards compliant. Neither if their browser fully supports CSS and the DOM. If it doesn't work, IE or not, they will simply find a website that does.
And hey, its not all that bad making a solution that fits most. - dexOtaku, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0While I actually use IE, FF, and Opera - Opera is my main browser, and has been for several years. Neither IE [including 7] nor FF come with as much useful [to me] functionality immediately upon installing. No plugins needed, it just does everything I need it to, and does so with a slim interface that doesn't waste screen real-estate like both IE and FF tend to. The few sites that don't work with Opera, I use FF for; the few that don't work with FF I use IE for.
I rename the IE6 icon on my clients' computers to "Use only if forced to," and that's my policy - use it only when a site absolutely won't work with either Opera or FF.
I usually install FF for my consulting clients.
IE7 does look pretty good compared to IE6 so far, but I personally won't be trusting any browser technology that comes out of Redmond any time in the foreseeable future. - PuffyC, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I was using Firefox exclusively until IE7 with tabbed browsing was available. There's no way I'd switch back now - too many rendering problems and other quirky annoyances with Firefox.
- wouaren, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2no one is planning but new users will never uses firefox since ie is for 95 percent the same of firefox and widely present on every next copies of windows :)
- Burmask, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6Firefix is at a whopping 12.75%. A whole .75 increase from six months ago. Stop the presses, Firefix is taking over.........
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