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- bstory, on 04/17/2008, -1/+337Bell is full of *****
- sebicas, on 04/17/2008, -6/+298Please help us save the Internet! Tell everybody about the big telecomunication companies trying to control & limit our internet usage!
- explnx, on 04/27/2009, -2/+244Hey, I have an idea! If you don't like it when customers actually try to use the amount of bandwidth you sell them, stop calling them "hogs" and start practicing truth in advertising.
- marcushe, on 04/17/2008, -1/+182So, the customers pay for their bandwidth plan, but when they use it, it's considered abuse and is taken away from them.
I guess if I buy a car, and drive it too much, the dealership will start taking features out of it. - admiral101, on 04/17/2008, -5/+129I use Bell and aside from throttled P2P i have never had a slowdown. They are not doing this to ease congestion, they are using this as an excuse to save money.
- inactive, on 04/17/2008, -8/+124"We must stop overlogging....on. And limit internet porn use to 2x a day MAX"
- Narcism, on 04/17/2008, -2/+88Get a 5 MBit* download speed with Bell's new high speed upgrade.
(* provided you don't use it) - popnwave, on 04/17/2008, -0/+82Hopefully our neighbors to the north fight this sort of stance, YES it is expensive to keep your system up to snuff and enough room to grow, but they need to stop OVERSELLING their bandwidth if this is causing issues.
- inchrnt, on 04/17/2008, -2/+79I insist that selling 100 people the same bandwidth is fraud.
- arrrapirate, on 04/17/2008, -0/+77***** bell - they choke my bandwidth like a cheap hooker AND they slapped me with a 30 dollar "overusage" charge last month
i really hope CHIP tells them to ***** off and die. - plizard, on 04/17/2008, -0/+71so why charge 49.99 a month for half service?
also, other countries have interwebs speeds twice as fast for cheaper. - inactive, on 04/17/2008, -6/+77We represent the WGA, the World Canadian Bureau. We want more money!
- IronDuke83, on 04/17/2008, -0/+63Bell has massively oversold it's bandwidth, and they're heavily throttling now to try and keep it from collapsing. Torrenting is only NOT capped between like 2-11am. Why the ***** should these people be allowed to sell unlimited internets if they cannot deliver it?
- IronDuke83, on 04/17/2008, -1/+56Yeah, and it bothers me that I was promised a certain speed, we pay for the full extreme service and they're capping my speed the same as the slow lines.
- 7yler, on 04/17/2008, -4/+54I talk on the phone too much and my telephone provider is not too happy about it, so they've decided that between 10am and 4pm I'm only allowed to use the phone for 15 minutes per hour. I'm not bitter about it, I mean just because it's my phone and I pay for the service doesn't mean I should be allowed to use it as much as I want. After all if everyone used the phone as much as I do they phone companies would have to spend more money on phone lines and stuff. And you know that stuff is expensive. So I understand what the ISPs are complaining about, totally understandable.
- leetdood, on 04/17/2008, -0/+50***** you, Bell. You used to be cool, with no throttling and 500KB/s speed for everything, including torrents.
Now you have a 30gb usage cap for new users, heavy throttling of bittorrent, and insane overage costs. ***** you. - aidave, on 04/17/2008, -0/+46Why did they sell the service to these "bandwidth hogs" in the first place? If they don't want people using that much bandwidth, DONT SELL IT TO THEM!!! Typical backpedaling on it's service agreements. Bell obviously wanted to make more money selling higher bandwidth packages, but then when their customers pay for and use that bandwidth, they wimp out. Sounds like Bell can't uphold their end of the sale. Isn't that fraud?
- munkyxtc, on 04/17/2008, -1/+45Maybe your ISP should take the huge sacks of money they are pulling in every month and invest in upgrading their networks so everyone can download porn 24x7 rather than trying to find ways to restrict internet usage of paying customers....just a thought.
- BoneheadFarker, on 04/17/2008, -2/+42I'm on a 3rd party ISP specifically to get away from Bell, and I'm getting throttled. I can't even surf while downloading torrents. ***** Bell...
- Narcism, on 04/17/2008, -2/+38DSL is a little different from Cable...
- theenginedriver, on 04/17/2008, -1/+33Oh man, I live in Montreal, and between Bell, Videotron and Rogers, it's safe to say the state of Canadian telecommunications is atrocious.
- tysonsmith, on 04/17/2008, -0/+28Tell the Canadian government that the big telecommunication companies can't do this! http://digg.com/tech_news/Upset_about_bandwidth_th ...
- Waiting2awake, on 04/17/2008, -0/+27and worse. Having worked for them they are scum beyond scum. In some cases if what they do isn't illegal it damn well should be!
- scamper22, on 04/17/2008, -2/+27or to screw over the competition who does not throttle P2p
- insertAliasHere, on 04/17/2008, -5/+28What kind of ***** propaganda is this? Don't get me wrong, I despise the practice of traffic shaping, and I believe that anything that brings it out to the public is good. But this is ridiculous. It's a pretty big leap between bandwith hogs and truth tellers. The real truth is that the ISPs want to shape their traffic because they don't want to spend the money required to update their infrastructure to handle the bandwith needs of this generation. These companies need to accept the fact that BitTorrent is a reality and is here to stay. Upgrade now; make the proverbial "stitch in time."
- coollettuce, on 04/17/2008, -1/+23Watch South Park.
- groovechamp30, on 04/17/2008, -3/+25***** bell, ***** Virgin media, ***** Comcast!
These arseholes have done nothing to create the incredible creation that is the internet. It makes me so angry, someone needs to do something! Its going to be too late if we don't... - Typhoon2009, on 04/17/2008, -0/+20I hate those Swedes... they've got like 100Mbps internet for 50 bucks a month. And it's supposedly reliable too! Same deal in South Korea. And don't get me started on cell phone service (Spoilers: In the UK you don't get charged for receiving messages, and pretty much any phone comes free with a contract).
- inactive, on 04/17/2008, -0/+20Yeah but it's Bell.
Bell's corporate culture was built on them having a complete monopoly on all electronic communications (the telephone) for a very long time in the Canadian market.
They are quite simply disgusting. They've been throttling the bandwith since the very beginning, when they started to offer DSL.
Customer service is ***** (as in worst than an Indian call center), you almost always get a little surprise on your bill and they still have a monopoly over the very vast majority of the northern regions of Canada. They quite simply don't give a *****. - whahaa, on 04/17/2008, -0/+20let's throttle *them*, see how they like it.
- ravage86, on 04/17/2008, -0/+19Are you suggesting he purchase the entire internet?
- scamper22, on 04/17/2008, -0/+19umm, this case is a bit more complex than a normal P2P ISP.
Bell is actually THROTTLING the traffic of its COMPETITORS who happens to share the line...that's the key. So by doing so, they remove any competitive advantage their competitors (like teksavvy) have.
Bell is more than free to throttle its own traffic, but they have no right to throttle the traffic of its competitors. - Skootles, on 04/17/2008, -2/+19I had a job interview at Bell World last week. The last question I was asked was if I had Bell Expressvu or Bell Sympatico internet, and I said I prefer an ISP with better business practices. Come to think of it, that probably explains why I haven't heard back from them..
- TRScheel, on 04/17/2008, -0/+16Fraud: "The intentional perversion of the truth in order to mislead someone into parting with something of value."
Yes, sure does sound like it - Scipio, on 04/17/2008, -1/+17If Bell gets away with this, soon every other ISP will. So, what can we do? Who do we need to get in touch with?
- tysonsmith, on 04/17/2008, -3/+19Don't let them get away with this! Support CAIP and network neutrality. http://digg.com/tech_news/Upset_about_bandwidth_th ...
- midbc, on 04/17/2008, -0/+15its just their/Bell's way of cramming more people onto the system to get more money without having to upgrade the lines plain and simple
- kaelyiesta, on 04/17/2008, -1/+16They are essentially breaking their own service agreement on services rendered. I wonder if a lawsuit is possible. They don't provide what they claim, then you shouldn't pay what they ask.
- aztekm30, on 04/17/2008, -0/+13The truth is we have limited choice in Canada for internet ISP's and it sucks. Bell is a rip off, and rogers, cogeco are the same. High prices and they all throttle and some charge if you go over the cap, Bell's cap is the lowest 30G or was the lowest.
- BoneheadFarker, on 04/17/2008, -1/+14***** that..if they offer unlimited service then they should give you unlimited service, not simply change the definition of "unlimited"...
- BinaryFragger, on 04/17/2008, -0/+13Here in Ottawa, your choices are Rogers, Bell and various Bell wholesalers. I chose a wholesaler because of the lack of throttling and higher bandwidth caps, but that advantage has now been taken away by Bell.
The worst part is, the Canadian Competition Bureau and the CRTC don't see anything wrong with this. - Delvis, on 04/17/2008, -1/+14Not so sure it's a conspiracy - it's just blatant, ugly opportunism.
- DeFex, on 04/17/2008, -1/+14and they will rewrite your agreement and not tell you about it.
What do you mean you've never been to Alpha Centauri? For heaven's sake mankind, it's only four light years away you know. I'm sorry, but if you can't be bothered to take an interest in local affairs that's your own lookout. - nub4life, on 04/17/2008, -0/+13Bell has no competitors. If we set up our own service, we have to rent lines from Bell. If it's not Bell, it's Rogers. Both are SUCK.
- fred13snow, on 04/17/2008, -3/+15I'm in Montreal, on 16Mbps Bell Canada Internet and my current total bit torrent speed is 59kBps (with encryption)... They seem to choke my speed around 4:30pm for the rest of the evening. And for the rest of the day I get about 350kBps average, about one fifth of what I expected when I signed up, because it's the advertised speed. I'm not slowing down my activity tho, the more they slow me down the more I'll take use my Internet (because I pay for it) (extra 30$ every month for busting the bandwidth cap tho). No more option in Montreal! ***** Bell! ***** the government for not doing anything! And ***** capitalism!
- codecx, on 04/17/2008, -1/+13I've been spending a lot of time over on the DSL forums.
For those who are not, I highly suggest that you follow this link:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20299001-Write-to ...
We need as many people talking about this and filing complaints as possible..
Rogers and Bell have been throttling for a long time, and now Rogers is imposing a fee for overusage and Bell is enforcing throttling on their 3rd party vendors as well.
Don't settle for this.. Show you can't be held.. don't just sit there and let them collect your money for a poor service. Make a switch to a 3rd party vendor. Hit them where it counts--Their pocketbooks!
Make complaints to your MP and CRTC.. it only takes a moment!
Find your local MP using this link:
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Parlinfo/Compilations/House ...
If any of you write to your Member of Parliament or a cabinet minister, *always* remember to CC the official opposition critic, especially in light of our current minority Conservative government. Copying the official opposition critic (and those critics from other parties such as the Bloc and NDP) demonstrates that you A) Understand parliamentary democracy, B) Increases the chances that you will not be ignored, C) Gives the opposition ammunition, all the while furthering your voice.
Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition (Liberal)
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Industry Critic:
"Hon. Scott A. Brison, PC, MP" Brison.S@parl.gc.ca
Consumer Affairs Critic:
"Hon. Dan McTeague, PC, MP" McTeague.D@parl.gc.ca
Heritage Critic:
"Hon. Denis Coderre, PC, MP" Coderre.D@parl.gc.ca
New Democratic Party
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Digital Spokesman:
"Hon. Charlie Angus, MP" Angus.C@parl.gc.ca
Bloc Québecois
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Industry Critic
"Hon. Paule Brunelle, MP" brunep@parl.gc.ca
Heritage Critic
"Hon. Maria Mourani, MP" mourama@parl.gc.ca
Here's a formatted letter to base off of:
April 710th, 2008
Hon. Mr./Mrs. MP's name
Office Address of MP
Dear Sir/Madam,
First of all I want to take this opportunity to thank you for the excellent service you are providing to our community. You are truly making a difference. I really appreciate it and am grateful for that.
Today I'm writing this letter out of concern for the suppression of free information flow on the internet. As you know that the internet plays an important role in our everyday life. It is a vast medium spread all over the world. The effect of this expanding medium can be seen everywhere. Now we can contact any part of the world by a simple click. The legally available information that are there are for all people from cradle to grave and they have the right to access this information. The internet service providers (ISPs) play a huge role in this. They are the ones who connect us to this great source of information.
You might be aware that recently certain ISPs are shaping the internet traffic. This move by ISPs, which has the sole purpose of limiting the free flow of information, not only undermines the expansion of electronic information but also acts against the very core existence of freedom of information and the media. It also means that these ISPs will choose for us what we can and cannot download even if it is meant for legitimate and legal purpose. Today these ISPs are preventing the download of files but in the future they might block information at their will. This goes against the idealogy for which the internet was invented. This also degrades the consumer rights greatly.
So, I request you, Hon. Mr./Mrs. MP's name, to support the people who desire nothing more than the free flow of information meant for all people without any discrimination. And I believe Canada will be an example in this world on this matter and one day there won't be any boundaries or any restriction where the ISPs will uphold their preference over their customers.
Please interact with other concerned citizens and users of the internet and raise the issue to the Parliament.
Thank you very much and God bless you.
Yours truly,
Your full Name
A concerned citizen
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After that, you can waltz over to the CRTC website and file a formal complaint:
http://www.crtc.gc.ca/RapidsCCM/Register.asp?lang= ...
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You can also help CAIP in it's CRTC submission re throttling via Bell
If you would like to support CAIP in their efforts please file submissions with the Commission over the next week to show your support for the request for interim relief. These submissions don't have to be very complicated.
All that you need to do is:
1) click on the following link:
http://support.crtc.gc.ca/crtcsubmissionmu/forms/T ...
2) Select "Part VII/PN" from the list
3) insert the CRTC file number (# 8622-C51-200805153) into the "Subject" Line and
4) insert the following suggested text into the "Description / Comments / Questions" box: "I am writing to express my support for the Application that CAIP has filed with the CRTC regarding Bell Canada's throttling practices. I believe that these practices contravene Bell
Canada's duties as a common carrier and that the Commission should direct Bell to immediately cease and desist from throttling the traffic of independent ISPs."
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The story thus far:
Rogers throttled first. They use CISCO technology to handle their throttling/traffic shaping
Bell followed suit soon after...As did other providers like cogeco etc.
So, the only escape would be to sign up to an independent ISP who did not believe in having a throttling policy.. (ie Teksavvy, Velcom..etc) The only way these independent companies exist, is by buying their own bandwidth pipes and then collaborate with bell with a lease agreement to allow them the usage of their phoneline.
So, masses of p2p users migrated off to independant ISPs.
Bell saw this and said
"Crap we're losing customers.. Lets throttle our entire network, including the lines that we lease out to 3rd party ISPs to lessen the likelihood of them switching over to them."
And thats when the poop hit the fan.
- The Canadian Independant ISP Group filed a complaint with the CRTC
- CRTC told Bell to stop
- Bell said "screw you" -> filed a lawsuit with the Supreme Court to rule the change as legal and out of CRTC jurisdiction
- Bell continues to throttle, while the Supreme Court/CRTC reviews the issue
- Media coverage on CBC, CTV and in newspapers sparked attention to the issue
- Customers of 3rd party ISP's started emailing the CRTC, Government branches to voice their own concerns
- CISP demanded that Bell give them an answer as to whether or not they're doing to back down
- Bell remains quiet, sent lobbyists to the media to shmooze over the issue.
- Primus contacted the CRTC, with their announcement for the preservation of net-neutrality, siding with the CISP
..the story unfolds. - waspinator, on 04/17/2008, -0/+12And the worst part is Canadians have to competing independent ISPs (except for ONE cable company which does the same thing).
If we had at least 10 independent providers this wouldn't be an issue. - SteelFrog, on 04/17/2008, -0/+12I'm in Gatineau (next to Ottawa) and switched over to Teksavvy a few years ago. They resell Bell lines, but they're also standing up for us users. They're calling up Bell and filing complaints against their antics. If anything, I'd switch over to them to thank them.
- Bhatch514, on 04/17/2008, -0/+12Contact the CRTC
- jlhoben, on 04/17/2008, -3/+14Experts say, if left unchecked the internet could even lead to democracy. GASP
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