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- mikeazorin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19My God! Is everyone here loony? Apple has this same video on their website with no pixelation, three times the resolution, 30 FPS, and guess what? Streaming through my Cable Modem!!! Here's the link. If this is that amazing, than imagine what real HDTV will look like to you.
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/hd/cornell.html - AnteChronos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6In case you can't see the video, you need Flash Player 8 installed. If you have version 7, you'll hear the music but you won't be able to see the video. IE prompted me to upgrade, but Firefox didn't.
- RiddickRom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The misinformation building up in this thread is depressing. So far I've "learned" that you need a new codec for this, it wont play in Firefox, a 600mbps stream is inferior to a 2mbps one (no *****) and the list goes on of absolute nonsense.
Sure HDTV at 1080i playing your favourite movie is a world better but this is not what this stream is trying to compete with. As einsteindesign has already stated so well, its a self contained cross platform stream that starts quickly, looks great compared to "MOST" other streams you will come across and possibly is better than others at the same bitrate. Would I watch a movie in it? Of course not, would I watch a TV show or presentation? Absobloodylutely I would. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6What the *****? Am I not seeing something? It looks like standard video quality. It's no different than the high-rest movie trailers you can get on Apple's site.
- Septimus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Looking back into the codec, it seems they are impressed with their adaptive rate technology. Which to give them their due is better than most in that it can upscale in real time. Other codecs can only downscale in real time as bandwidth drops and cannot return to original bit rates without restarting the stream.
- garbnzgh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"hi-res video"? nope. hi-res does not mean large dimensions. you don't even have to look carefully to see the pixelation. boo. boo. double boo.
- nato64, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4wow quicktime looks so much better than that. the same exact video is in quicktime's hd gallery and you could put it fullscreen on a 30" display and it would still look stunning. no digg.
- RiddickRom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4My CPU usage hit 100% watching that. It played beautifully but I think it highlights that Flash is not the ideal way to get high resolution video on the web. My PC is a bit average in spec but I have no problems playing 720p and other kinds of streams. Great but shame about the CPU usage.
- TokinDerrick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3works fine in my firefox.
very cool, I thought the google video thing loaded fast and was fairly decent for the load time. this is WAY better, like watching a dvd for real. - timewarrior, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/flash/articles/fl8_feedback.html
Video quality: "The video quality has vastly improved with the superior On2 VP6 codec. Not only does the video appear sharper and clearer, the amount of compression artifacts have been extremely reduced. We can encode the same video at lower bit rates [compared to the Spark codec], essentially saving our clients money on bandwidth." [Joey Princz] - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Considering that this is playing at 600kb/s, both WMV and MOV provide BETTER quality at the same bitrate. The pixelization in this video is highly noticable. This is lame.
- mingistech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It plays in Safari perfectly.. :)
This is the same video Apple had on their Quicktime HD site to show off the h.264 codec.
interesting... - dimplemonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That was the highest res black screen I have ever seen in my life!
... Oh, I need newer Flash plug-in? - xedeon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You guys have to realize that this is 100% pure streaming not preloaded in any way, anyway I am really impressed with the VP7 codec from On2
if you want a TRUE fullscreen sample of VP7 then try this!!!
http://video.vividas.com/sample/sales/page2.html - einsteindesign, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yamma hamma. Outstanding quality for 600kbps and the size of the window.
- embedded
- Flash 8 (cross platform)
- fast streaming
Definite digg. - 44north, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2mikeazorin: i dont think anyone is looney. the datarate on the quicktime version on apple's website is 2Mbps. For 600kbps, the Flash video is really good and easy on the bandwidth.
- hass, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I hope IPTV looks better than this. And who wants to watch TV in a browser? The fullscreen isn't actually full screen.
- thidranki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1its not THAT great. A bit posterized here and there, but still an improvement from what you would usually see.
- xfiled, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Same video but in H264.......http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/hd/cornell.html
- nathanchase, on 05/06/2009, -0/+1VP6 in Flash 8. Nothing more.
Does look and perform well for a large userbase though. The Flash Player 8 has a faster adoption rate than any other (even if they are better) players. If it works well enough, and fast enough, with no problems, and little (if any) to download - customers are happy. - Antelope, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't see what the big deal is. It's just a high quality .flv file with some presumably efficient compression (very little load time). IPTV won't depend on video quality; it's all about the back-end distribution.
- 44north, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Very good for Flash video. Its not up to the H.264 level of quality, but it is very good considering the small file size and bit rate.
- adam1972, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You want good looking streaming video? try the Divx web browser plug in http://labs.divx.com/archives/000072.html , I just installed it and tried the clips and I'd say it's infinitely better than this. try the Shark tale Hi Def one.. NOW that was impressive!
- TheD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"My CPU usage hit 100% watching that. It played beautifully but I think it highlights that Flash is not the ideal way to get high resolution video on the web. My PC is a bit average in spec but I have no problems playing 720p and other kinds of streams. Great but shame about the CPU usage."
-thats Firefox. - wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I, too, tried watching this on H.264. I'm still waiting for it to DL enough to play. (I have a BT client running in the other room). This look rather good (not great) with no delay in starting, and no stopping to rebuffer.
For IPTV to work we are going to have a compression system with good quality, but reasonably bandwidth usage. We don't all have 15Mbps fiber to our houses (yet), so we need something to bridge the gap. Or be held hostage to whatever draconian DRM the MPAA thows at us. - birdadderley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1nice... not thrilling, but nice.
- hass, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2What is so amazing about this?
- felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Looked good for what it was - streaming video - but nowhere near ready for prime time (no pun intended).
With all the compression artifacts, it's not up to broadcast quality. QuickTime does a better job of delivering high quality video online - just look at any movie trailers on quicktime.com. Think I'll pass on the digg.
Nice birdies, though. - t.toe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1it's a cool start. but I hope IPTV in the future will at least allow you to click a "full screen" button and ACTUALLY HAVE IT BECOME FULL SCREEN. haha!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1When the video stops moving the quality's insane! Great stuff.
- TheD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1hmm perhaps not. it uses the same cpu in explorer as well.
anyway. Its just an HD video encoded into flash. People are just not real accustom to seeing high quality video encoded n flash on the Internet. its usually someones home camcorder video of some kid getting hit in the nuts skateboarding.
Garbage in Garbage out
High Quality in gives you the chance at High Quality out. - midgetbus87, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That was amazing.
We need more video like that, very serene and sharp. - RiddickRom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1TheD you are right. I just tested it in IE and its only using 60-70% with a lot of ram and some cpu being gobbled by other apps. Interesting that IE flash is better at this than Firefox flash.
- Apage43, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For the record, MOV IS NOT A CODEC. It's a container. (Most hi-quality movs are H.264 video with AAC audio)
- jmv9998, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1OSX Tiger and Safari works really nice
- djspade313, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You know... all this flap about which format is best is really kind of silly. Yes the flash version looks good. The quicktime one is better but doesn't start instantly... and that matrix trailer was awesome. imho...
- cool4u2view, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Some of you need to realize that the demo is for bandwidth shaping video. The video will dynamically adjust for your bandwidth ... it plays BEAUTIFULLY in firefox. For those of you haveing trouble in firefox and are using obj-tags in adblock, turn obj-tags off and flash will work properly!!!
+digg - plasticated, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1H.264 is a much better candidate for IPTV as its supported by a majority of players. Flash is great for in-browser playback, but very few people will want to watch IPTV from a browser. VP6 is currently only supported by only one widely distributed program - Flash player. As far as I know the encoding programs available for VP6 are very limited: The Flash 8 video encoder, and Sorenson Squeeze can if you spend out on an addition plugin (ripoff!) and its currently PC only. If you mess with the temporal settings in H.264 you can get some great results with getting the file size down as much as possible.
- mr_cheese28, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Beats the hell out of WMP & quicktime
- JAWA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is very impressive quality for streaming over the Internet.
- kev01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1worked awesome w/ firefox and macosx here
steaming wmv and quicktime is terrible, slow to load, slow to download/stream, and high cpu crunching
this ran smooth loaded fast, and i was looking at my modem, and i dunno exactly when but the video seemed to already finish "downloading" the stream after about halfway through and my modem lights weren't showing any activity!
this > google video > windowsmedia,quicktime > realplayer lol - skinner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1my cpu went from 2% usage to 30% but its a pentium 4 extreme so im okay with it. the quality is amazing for flash and pretty good altogether.
- Liam30, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My 2 cents on this...
Yes, it does have pixelation on transitions. But, I have just had some experience with flash video, and compared to the Sorenson Spark codec, it's way better. Smaller file size with fewer artifacts.
Recently, I had to encode some video into flash. I first encoded it using the On2 VP7 codec. It looked great and was under 2MB (30 sec TV spot). This is important for us ppl in New Zealand, as roughly 60% of NZers online are on dial-up, 35% on 25Kps DSL, and 5% on 3Mbps. And the 3Mb is the best you can get without getting a dedicated line at $1000s per month.
Unfortunately, because of the relatively recent roll-out of Flash 8, I was asked by out client to publish it in Flash 7, which meant the Sorenson Spark codec. While I had a good version at the very beginning with the On2 codec, it took days of going back and forth with the client to get an acceptable quality, without going over 3MB (the video had tons of transitions, and really pixelated at lower bitrates).
My point? Sure, it's not DVD quality, and your HDTVi will look tons better, and Quicktime does have better codecs. So, why did I decide to go with Flash Video instead of QT? Interactivity. I can embed cue points, and program events to fire at those cue points. And this is just the top of the iceberg for flash video. You can embed FLV's into your flash file, with alpha channels, and apply filters and effects to the video. It's not meant to replace QT or HDTV, or DVD, or anything else. But flash has a HUGE install base (97.3%), so most ppl can view your video (Macromedia expects 80% saturation for the Flash 8 player in 12 months after introduction). - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Lovely display of technology, worked near seemlessly on a low end new iBook in Safari.. but I have to agree it is not as flawless as H.264 compression in Quicktime 7.0 from the HD gallery, but if you compare load times this is impressive, I wonder how long it would take to get internet television like this.
- elegidito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1pixelated.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is great for streaming video, but I'd be pissed if I bought a DVD or something and I could see little compression artifacts in places (like you can in this vid, unless its just like that cos they got hit hard on teh bandwidth by digg)
- xedeon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah @cool4u2view there are a lot of people here on digg that talks like they know wtf they are saying when in fact they don't know jack! yes H.265/Xvid/WMV HD/(Insert you fav coded here) looks better, but let me ask you this can they all steam High Res vidoes almost instantly with virtually no preloading whatsoever? no!!!! and besides the title is misleading!! if you want high res look up more VP6 encoded vidoes I have seen near DVD quality (800k) on my DSL connection with bittorrent running without any frames being dropped!!
- hiro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"My God! Is everyone here loony? Apple has this same video on their website with no pixelation, three times the resolution, 30 FPS, and guess what? Streaming through my Cable Modem!!! Here's the link. If this is that amazing, than imagine what real HDTV will look like to you.
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/hd/cornell.html"
Well I gave it a try but when it had only half loaded after 30secs I gave up - not exactly streaming and certainly not in the same league as this. Digg++ - Otto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The H264 ones look far better, but they do have a higher bitrate. 2 megabits a second for the 480p one and 6 megabits a second for the 720p one. For 600k a second, that VP6 one is not bad, but it takes way too much CPU and introduces rather a lot of artifacts into the video, considering. There's noticable blotchy tiling effects. Interesting, but not particularly useful. Especially not when you look at the glory of the 720p H264 version.
And on my cable modem, the 480p 2 megabit version started playback instantly. Most broadband connections can easily do 2 megabits downstream. - techlinks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow...I mosted impressed with the load time. Or should I say lack of one?
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