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- draxenato, on 03/04/2009, -1/+117Cam copies aren't usually worth the download anyway, poor AV makes for a woeful viewing experience. Wait for the R5 or SCR for better quality. If there's a movie I'm *that* desperate to see quickly then I'll usually go to the cinema anyway, but as an advocate of personal privacy I won't be going if they implement airport style security checks.
- ihavetop, on 03/04/2009, -4/+79Instead of coming out with movies that don't suck they are more focused on creating technology to catch people making garbage cam quality of new releases.....
I know a way to get around this... direct audio feed? - Zippo, on 03/05/2009, -1/+67Um, yeah, when my local theatre starts having arranged seating (in order to pinpoint pirates) is when I stop going to the ***** theatre. Lord knows they'd see it as an opportunity to charge more for better seats, too.
This kind of technology is so flawed it's not even funny. Anything in the theatre can reflect or distort audio (ie: a person standing up). So while this tech might work well in a controlled environment, it's not going to be very accurate in real life. This is going to cause innocent people to be arrested by accident. And what's going to stop a pirate from hiding the mic behind another seat?
And honestly, if the MPAA thinks cam-captures of movies are killing ticket sales, they're retarded. If I want a quality movie-watching experience for a movie I actually want to see, the last thing I want to watch is some shaky, low-quality cam copy.
Treating everyone who pays to see a movie like a criminal is the most ass-backwards concept ever. Reminds me of those PSAs they used to play before movies, asking people not to pirate. I *payed* to see your movie - you're preaching to the wrong crowd, idiots. - Khast, on 03/05/2009, -2/+62okay, so what now, they are going to assign you a seat number? What good is it to know where they were seated after it leaks online anyways...it's not like they have a time machine to go back and arrest the individual. (At least I don't think they do....)
- Rememberthe0511, on 03/05/2009, -2/+52"That ’s not all though, the latest Hollywood blockbusters may soon come with watermarked audio that can pinpoint a pirate’s seat number."
They are smoking the biggest bong in the world. Have they ever heard the audio of a cam rip. You can hardly make out the speech being said let alone watermarks for the person's seat number. This is the dumbest thing I have heard all day. - ObeseSnake, on 03/05/2009, -1/+47Assigned seats? They can't even keep track of what movie people walk into after they tear your ticket in half.
- BoneheadFarker, on 03/05/2009, -1/+41Or how about this workaround: doing nothing. This tech pinpoints the seat you were in when you recorded it. Exactly how is that information useful a month after the video has been released into the wild?
- atomicpoet, on 03/04/2009, -1/+39Good luck with that one.
- draxenato, on 03/04/2009, -1/+36Or wash the audio track through a noise reduction filter in your video editing software. Even transcoding it from MP3 to FLAC and back to MP3 again would probably defeat this.
- ipushmycar, on 03/05/2009, -0/+29What they should do is assign seat numbers. When you buy a ticket, each individual gets escorted to their seat, where they are tied down to prevent them from getting up and relocating. This will make this new audio watermarking more effective. Each individual is then given a bottle in which to excrete waste (urine, etc), and you press a little button on the arm rest to order food, which will be delivered by the concessions delivery boy. Of course, with all these extra costs and employees, movies will now move from $10 to $20, and a small small bag of popcorn and a small pepsi will no longer cost $8, but now cost $15... and a small tip for the delivery boy would be nice.
This will greatly decrease the incentive to pirate movies, and overall make the going to the movies experience safer and more enjoyable. - aufte, on 03/05/2009, -2/+29I'm just going to go out and say it, maybe an hour and a half of Cameron Diaz's time isn't really worth $10M? Maybe Jim Carrey isn't so funny he's worth $15M? Maybe I don't give a ***** if Al Pacino and Robert DeNiro are in the same movie if it's garbage? And just to clear that up, I don't mean Heat.
- kevbryant, on 03/05/2009, -0/+25pirates always sit in the same seat come on
/s - kevbryant, on 03/05/2009, -0/+23i meant to say, they always return to the seat of the crime
- draxenato, on 03/05/2009, -1/+21I was just using those two formats as an example of how to defeat this lame brained attempt at copy protection.
But converting from MP3 to FLAC would result in no loss of audio quality, you'd lose a little when you converted it back again, but 99% of your audience wouldn't notice, don't forget we're talking about a cam copy here so the audio quality won't be top notch anyway. - MattB123, on 03/05/2009, -1/+19You already cracked this (almost) fool-proof scheme!
- reyoo30309, on 03/04/2009, -0/+18I would not bother downloading camcordings anyway.
All this really means is now that they have nightvision they are watching you even in the dark. - Ki77erB, on 03/05/2009, -3/+20Exactly. There are no assigned seats, and even if there were, just pay in cash. Problem solved.
- stix213, on 03/05/2009, -0/+17This is so stupid. All the good quality cam videos you get are made after hours by the theater employees themselves with the camera placed in the center of the theater.
Plus, nearly all movie theaters don't assign seating. - MJ87, on 03/05/2009, -1/+18Its so cute how they keep trying to thwart piracy.
- jos22, on 03/05/2009, -2/+18looks like the MPAA ( Must Punish All Audiences) would like to kill the cinema now too. it will be worst than trying to get on plane soon. but when it comes down to it there less and less movies that I would pay to see in the cinema these days. espically when the movie is already out in the US on DVD/Blueray. and only opening in the UK/Ireland. by the time you have a ticket and snacks bought. it be cheaper just to import from the US and get the extended Version.
- twystoffate, on 03/05/2009, -1/+15My thoughts exactly. It's the escalation theory all over again. What happens when you make better locks? You get better thieves. Make it harder to camcorder a movie? Pirates get more creative.
It sounds like a good idea to the theaters, but it just means those extra security measures are going to add to the cost of theater maintenance, and that cost is going to spread to the movie goers...which will just increase piracy even more.
So yeah...good luck with that. - Rapter09, on 03/05/2009, -2/+16I find it desperately amusing that they're going so hardcore against cams. Do they honestly think people concern themselves over cams that much? The MPAA is like a fiending coke addict that just dropped their last few hits on the rug; they're snorting at the rug trying to get whatever possible bit they can get in desperation.
Except the coke is money.
Well... maybe its coke. Who knows. - mark076h, on 03/05/2009, -1/+15What if one person records the video in one theater then somebody in a different theater records the audio, then you take the audio only theater and put it into the video recording? how would they prove that the audio recorder really did anything?
Or just place the Audio recorder in a seat far away from where you are sitting and they would think somebody else did the audio recording? maybe even an empty seat? - Ninh, on 03/05/2009, -1/+15Too bad that there's nothing tying a name to a seat ...
- havek23, on 03/05/2009, -1/+15mmmmm I love me some crappy cammed movies.
I wait for the DVD-rip or an actual leaked copy, but that's just cause I must be picky, huh? - inactive, on 03/05/2009, -0/+13You must be new here.
- LilRabbitFooFoo, on 03/05/2009, -0/+13Actually, audio watermarking is designed to hold up to compression like mp3...
- Fudgefactor7, on 03/05/2009, -2/+15DVDRips FTW
- puter, on 03/05/2009, -1/+13even if they do start assigning seats, it won't take long for the pirates to just start applying audio filters to filter it out.
They're going to have a second layer of audio on the movie that humans can't here, otherwise they would ruin the viewing experience. This means all a pirate needs to do is filter all audio outside of human hearing range.
or, they could even just shift the audio by a couple of hrtz, which would make it impossible to use to determine what seat it was filmed from. - Appox, on 03/05/2009, -0/+12as a kid the moment they tore the ticket, I just walked into whatever screen I wanted.
- shadowspawn, on 03/05/2009, -1/+11There are many samples, all pass the checksum.
I see that the recording was made in MovieMax's Cinema #215, theater 17, row 45, seat 22g and f, on March 5th, 9:30pm to 11:49pm.
Let's pull up the infrared pictures from that time period, shall we? Here they are, only 10k apiece since they aren't in RGB. Ah yes, take picture 20090305219300114a.tiff that shows that quadrant of the theater. Zoom in enough...
Look at that, I have a person holding a camera! Ok, let's check the hi-rez security tapes. Yep, got the same person walking in, 3 profile shots and two direct shots, and one really good shot right before entering the theater while at the ticket booth, and one as the ticket was scanned.
Let's cross-reference the ticket.
He paid with this Visa number: xxx-xx-xxx-xxxx exp 11/10, Transaction # 22153, Merchant Account 551515 at 9:15pm. It looks like his friends paid online, as they were sitting next to the target. They didn't touch the camera, however, but can be seen talking to him in line and in the theater.
Here police; have some evidence.
It's a brave, new world... - inactive, on 03/05/2009, -0/+10Don't mind FI5HERMAN everyone,He's a 58 yr old man still living in the old days just like the movie industry itself.
- audiophiliac, on 03/05/2009, -1/+10Screeners are only released to around 500 people/organizations around the world... shouldn't that have narrowed it down enough as to who's leaking the movies? Friggin' idiots.
- densetsu23, on 03/05/2009, -1/+101. All watermarking techniques, including audio watermarking, are highly resilient to re-encoding, filters, etc. It's not like they put a little buzzing sound in the audio... they take the Fourier transformation of the audio signal and insert it into that. Very hard to detect, though now that pirates know it'll be in there (thanks, Internet!) they already have a head start against the MPAA.
2. Sure, movie tickets won't be linked to names, but theatres are using night-vision technology to watch the audience (says so right in the description), so they can review tapes and see the face of the person sitting in the seat tied to the watermarked audio. If they keep going back to the same theater, they'll eventually be caught. - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 03/05/2009, -0/+9I'm sorry zeabu, but that's not accurate. I suspect that they dugg you down for being rude, not because you were wrong. Regardless, my point is entirely different from yours.
- inactive, on 03/05/2009, -2/+10Yes...the movies SUCK so much that people have to pirate them. Because of course, people feel they HAVE so watch a movie, even if it sucks.
- stix213, on 03/05/2009, -0/+8I wish I got the cam version of Indiana Jones before spending money at the theater only to watch Lucas and Co rape Indiana Jones for an hour and a half.
- bassman12593, on 03/05/2009, -0/+7External microphone in an empty seat.
- MrApocalypse, on 03/05/2009, -0/+7Hardly anyone sits on the seat they were assigned to.. If a fat and smelly guy is sitting in seat number 56, I'm not sitting in number 57 even if it was assigned to me.
- alanic, on 03/05/2009, -0/+7They can save a bunch of photos and at least know what you look like. Later they can use it as evidence once they track you down as the person who released the torrent.
- deceth, on 03/05/2009, -3/+10Wow, the industry just doesn't get it. They need to adapt to change, not fight it.
- ism70605, on 03/05/2009, -0/+6Except night vision cameras . . . right? While you are watching their film, they will be recording you eat popcorn with your family. I am sure pedophiles will be manning these cameras too.
Ooooh! Scary! - aufte, on 03/05/2009, -2/+8Wouldn't that defeat the purpose?
- Seann7656, on 03/05/2009, -2/+8I'm sorry, but I fail to see how camcorder pirates pose any kind of threat. Anyone would much rather go see a good movie in the actual theaters, and not some low quality shaky version. I'm pretty sure the screeners that people download are ones they weren't going to see in theaters anyway
- gcnaddict, on 03/05/2009, -0/+6"direct audio feed?"
exists in the handicap seats. This is where TS (telesync) rips come from (cammed video + line-feed audio).
Odds are ridiculously high that if they're watermarking the theater feed, they're using different watermarks on each handicap direct line feed. - MScrip, on 03/05/2009, -0/+6Exactly.
All this effort trying to stop CAM versions... but when the real DVD comes out 3 months later... there's nothing they can do to stop a DVD rip from getting onto the torrents. - drmangrum, on 03/05/2009, -1/+7Or they could take snapshots of the audience with a night vision camera, cross reference the seat number with the water mark, and then look for that person in the future. Chances are, the person sneaking a camcorder into the theater has done it before, and chance are, they'll do it again. Since the movie is most likely captured from the back of the theater so as to capture all of the screen, that wouldn't be too difficult.
- whoreable, on 03/05/2009, -0/+5I read this entire thread waiting for someone to make this point. The good cams are always centered and never have anybody getting up or coughing.
- BoneheadFarker, on 03/05/2009, -0/+5So...you run the projector, eh? Wanna make a quick $100?
It's a brave new world...same as the old world... - PopcornDave, on 03/05/2009, -0/+5Considering that most movie theaters hire teenagers, how well do you think this system would actually work?
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