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- theonlyvlad, on 10/11/2007, -14/+76People always ask why Ms doesn't innovate and then tie MS's hands down with this *****. Always with backwards compatibility, and always with this anti-trust.
Yes, they were too aggressive with bundling browser in the 90s. Ok. But, what's one of the reasons to praise the mac? For the "whole banana" experience right?
And now MS builds in a good search to make it convenient for its users, and they get sued. *sigh* - maloventevil, on 10/11/2007, -15/+57I totally agree with the OP; search in vista is VERY good pending people don't mess with it when it originally starts indexing (after install). Additionally, why is there no antitrust suit against apple for spotlight?
- InfamousAtheist, on 10/11/2007, -3/+36Damn, MS rolled over on that one quick. I'm honestly surprised they caved so fast. They wouldn't have five years ago.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/11/2007, -6/+38"Microsoft didn't innovate desktop search. Google did."
Microsoft demoed Windows Desktop Search before both Spotlight and Google Desktop Search. There's no question that all had been in development at the same time, but saying that Google innovated it is pretty rediculous. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -28/+56This is getting ridiculous.
Microsoft has every right to do whatever they want to the OS they created. - SavageBlackCat, on 10/11/2007, -9/+36"As a result, Google has said that Vista violated Microsoft’s 2002 antitrust settlement, which prohibits Microsoft from designing operating systems that limit the choices of consumers."
So some asshat attorney can misinterpret that to mean being able to use the Linux kernel in Windows. - Ramble, on 10/11/2007, -6/+32That's stupid, of course you can change it, it's a simple case of turning off the indexing service in services.msc.
Hell, Google could bloody code something to do it for you. - DryMaltExtract, on 10/11/2007, -10/+34I'm suing Sony because I can't play XBOX360 games in it even though the player can read DVDs.
It's total *****, if you don't like the way windows works, don't ***** use it. Guess what, my car doesn't like it when I fill it with piss instead of gasoline, I'm suing!!! - MioTheGreat, on 10/11/2007, -3/+25"maybe Microsoft should sue Dell for slowing down their operating system."
They'd love to. They came right out and said that Craplets bundled with Dell/HP/etc. PCs are a huge problem for them. But they can't do anything about it because it would be anticompetetive. - fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -5/+21@ chrys -
If people are so "locked in" why are there open source and commercial alternatives for virtually every application Microsoft makes, and most of the applications that run on Windows?
A lack of adoption doesn't mean alternatives aren't there. - dijital, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15I've used Google Desktop search on XP and although I'm usually a google fanboy, I uninstalled it for lack of performance. Now that I use Vista the search works better than anything of the sort that I've tried. In fact, I think it's darn near perfect. I think MS caved because after trying the Vista search (as the default) most people won't find the need to switch to a 3rd party search. To put it simply - the Windows Search can stand up for itself.
- darksheer, on 10/11/2007, -4/+19I'm not surprised at all--by caving in so easily, they make themselves look less like a 2,000 lb. behemoth--which is what any company facing constant anti-trust concern has to do.
- saska, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16@Phocion55, the irony here is that since the Microsoft indexer runs only when load allows it in Vista, I'm unconvinced this change will improve performance.
- hdjack, on 10/11/2007, -9/+22Why don't they just remove every program included in Windows and force us to download and install everything from scratch? It's bad enough I have to uninstall Google Desktop and a dozen other programs on my new Dell computer. While we're at it maybe Microsoft should sue Dell for slowing down their operating system.
- hendzen, on 10/11/2007, -7/+19When does apple have to let google replace spotlight?
- resta6, on 01/12/2009, -5/+17Always nice to see that the do no evil companies only use that as a gimmick to make themselves look like the underdog, but once they have power they have no problem using the tactics used by the guys they set out to teach a lesson
- DaygoWop, on 10/11/2007, -12/+24I agree with TippyTop, I think google is being ridiculous...
- fani, on 10/11/2007, -4/+14I hate Google.
I've already stopped using Google for most of my work.. Boycott Google and their evil ways they've turned to nowadays...
( case in point -- Safari in apple only has Google search, yet there's no lawsuits against google for that. MSN Search could've sued for that but they didn't ) - schoate09, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11WTF, Vista desktop search runs way faster anyhow, and it's better integrated with the OS. GDS ran slow under Xp anyway.
- venom8599, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12@Phocion55
Then they should've included a step in their install instructions on how to stop Vista's indexing feature--or just wrote it into their installer. That's all they really needed to do.
I do think this is better for another reason though. It'll work more like how Vista does with other apps like your default browser. I got so tired in XP of the OS opening IE even though Firefox was my default, and Vista has fixed that--and these changes to search will bring it more in line with how Vista treats other default apps. - Judicata, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14Actually, no, they don't. I understand the sentiment, but, as a point of fact, there are laws that companies have to follow. And, believe me, MS hates the "people can do whatever they want with their own software" attitude when it comes to slapping around its proprietary standards, copyrights, and patents. If it persists in taking advantage of a government-sanctioned monopoly on certain ideas, it can deal with the limits imposed by other laws.
- Nutmegan, on 10/11/2007, -6/+15Seriously, isn't Spotlight "anti-competitive" then? As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft can bundle whatever it wants and lock out whoever it wants. People can decide what they prefer with their dollars.
- michal64, on 10/11/2007, -7/+15so is Apple next? :)
- 1jaxstate1, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11Now if I could only change my search engine in my Safari/Camino browser to anything but google would be good.
- totorototoro, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12"Where is Apple in this situation?"
At around 5% marketshare, as usual :p Next question? - JacKrac, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11@daftman
Sticking to the car analogy this is how I have always interpreted it. You buy a ford car that comes with a ford radio. The ford radio provides functionality but you are free to upgrade it if you want to. Your car will not stop working if you decide to upgrade from the factory sound system. This is the same as MS bundling IE with their software.
I have always thought those antitrust problems were kinda bs. Rather than companies creating a better product that people would choose to use they hide behind a frivolous lawsuit, prime example Real Audio in Europe. Didn't someone say if you build a better browser they will come?
There are some things about MS that I don't really like, but I don't see how including decent software with their OS is overly monopolistic. It seems like it is their choice to include what they want in their OS. - Poco, on 10/11/2007, -8/+16I like Google as much as the next guy, I use gEverything, but the whole antitrust stuff with Microsoft is ridiculous.
Let's say that I write a virus that, when run on Vista, causes the machine to run slowly because it is constantly trying to delete system files and Vista is constantly trying to prevent it from deleting them or restoring them. Now is that an uncompetitive practice of Microsoft because they won't let my virus compete with the OS security? - SPARTACVS, on 10/11/2007, -9/+17If Google in any way causes negative changes to this, one of the best new features in Vista, they can suck my balls. Seriously, if they think this will increase downloads of their *****, practically-spyware apps like Google Desktop Search and Google Sidebar, they are smoking too much weed. They do ***** like this every time someone releases a product that's better than theirs. Acting like children "ZOMG MICROSOFT IS CHEATERS!!!!".
- d722002, on 10/11/2007, -7/+14I have no problem with Google challenging what they believe to be a monopolistic feature of a program, but the fact that they targeted only Microsoft here is slightly frustrating. Where is Apple in this situation? I do believe that, as many Mac bigots will point out, Spotlight was a feature way before Microsoft added the search feature to Vista. It's almost the exact same thing, but Google, in it's usual anti-Microsoft fashion, has chosen to turn a blind eye to Apple and not challenge Spotlight.
Another point is the argument that Microsoft is limiting the ability to use another search program because doing so slows down the computer -- As far as I'm concerned, that's Google's fault. They shoud try to develop their application in a way that adds no further load to the system, instead of blame Microsoft for their poor development.
It's one thing to try to promote your product, but its an entirely different story when you specifically target a single company. - SpookyET, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11I don't like Google Desktop Search. I find it slow, ugly, and unnatural. I like integrated search. Apple and Microsoft have done it well.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -11/+17Google should be allowed to build an option into their installation program that says "Do you wish to disable the built in search functions of your operating system? If so, check yes.".
That's all that should be done. If Microsoft is forced to change their integrated search in a way that hurts consumers, just because Google is complaining, that would be *****. - trollick, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10I'm going to sue Google, because they don't allow me to replace their logo with mine.
- TimmyGUNZ, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7apparently they don't.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/11/2007, -9/+15You're wrong Otto. Disabling the indexer is unbelievably easy to do, stopping the service is enough to do it. Or there's the group policy way to do it, or you know, I'm sure there's a registry key that corresponds to the GP setting....
The problem with that is that explorer was designed to have your data indexed. Without the Indexer running, Explorer becomes much less friendly to use.
I personally think Google can go to hell in this matter, though. - drlha, on 10/11/2007, -8/+13Nutmegan, your comments would be true if it weren't for the fact that Microsoft were found guilty of antitrust and as such have to live by certain rules that restrict how they do business.
- zulhadm, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8@daftman you are not forced to only use 1 brand of gasoline (search tool in this case). If you've followed this post plenty of Vista users have already explained how easy it is to disable the default search feature provided by Vista. Google is being ridiculous in this matter. You're obviously a google fanboy.
- Kazbaeden, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Probably not; Schmit just happens to have a comfy seat on Apple's board. Go figure.
- JacKrac, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@daftman
"However, if ford enter the car-radio business i.e manufacture their own radio, then yes it would be considered as anti-competitive because they are using leverage of one business to kill competitors of another."
So what you’re saying is that if a company does any sort of in-house manufacturing than it is anti-competitive? By your logic a company must either produce individual components or they must purchase individual components and put them together. They can not do both without becoming anti-competitive.
The finished product is the car. If ford wants to manufacture this car and put their own radio in it than there is nothing wrong with that. Ford paid to develop the radio, build the car, market the car, ect. If a company can not sell radios based on their own merit than perhaps they should find something else to sell. This sort of attitude that a company can rely on the government to keep them in business rather than developing a quality product and doing the proper market research to find a niche for said product is asinine.
Without detracting from my above point this is no different than Ubuntu including Mozilla or Apple including Safari. A different browser is just an apt-get away but the team at Ubuntu chose to include Mozilla. Does this mean that they are anti-competative? - simpleblob, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8"Vista does not have any way to replace the desktop search functionality with alternative products. Microsoft is illegally using their ownership of the desktop to break into the search market. That's anti-competitive."
Umm. What about other things, like kernel. Would they have to open up their kernel to remain "anti-competitive?"
I mean, base on your argument, Microsoft have to provide a way to replace any of their OS's functionality with alternative product.
Less than that, you're anti-competitive? - lnxaddct, on 10/11/2007, -12/+16random4,
No... no they don't. That's one of the trade-offs of allowing their monopoly to persist. If they don't like it, there are plenty of other countries to move headquarters to. - MioTheGreat, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Start++ is actually written by a guy at Microsoft who works on their Indexing software.
- Reno582, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4What do you call a system that tells large corporations that they can't even attempt to compete just because they'll be too successful? Its really a result of the software market that Windows has created, Microsoft created Windows around the software that third parties make for it, thats what they have always done, infact it has held them back in some ways, in some ways it restricts the ways they can compete with other Operating Systems, In others it effects the security and stabilty of the Windows platform. To me it seem Microsoft needs to make a choice, either negatively effect the Windows software market, and improve the platform that Windows is based on, or improve the market and be held back by that old ball-and-chain.
- Ramble, on 10/11/2007, -7/+10Yes it does. Go and disable the service, it's pretty simple.
- Kazbaeden, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5After reading this, today I decided to change all my default browsers in opera away from google. Can't say I miss it.
- youareretarded, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Its not considered evil if you are the one doing it, right?
- miloez, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4is anyone else with me thinking that there are many things that SHOULD be included in an OS, search being one of them, search has been in windows since at least Win95 and no one complained, and why do people complain about IE, with out it how could people download other *****?
- austin63, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7I wonder if apple will get hit with antitrust by forcing the safari with the iphone & later itunes. I'm sure they will make plenty on just having the browser on so many PC's. You could choose a different phone, but then again you could just not use vista.
- TubaTechno, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6I thought anti-trust laws were for every company, not just Microsoft?
Google just has an easier target against Microsoft because of their "bad" reputation... - fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -6/+9Well I think it's unfair that Google doesn't allow me to do what I want with google.com .... the world should share my fetish for trashbin sex and it's anti-competitive to not allow me to use their site to spread it.
- fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -6/+9So should Symantec sue Microsoft as well and make it easier to disable all of Vista's security features?
Google's search is currently redundant with Vista. That's just something they need to deal with - make it better or let it go. -
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