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- Superkid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+35......because its free!
- jbigelow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22@menace303
Come on, if Microsoft had been the company that wrote basecamp instead 37signals nobody would utter an ounce of protest but since 37 is an oh-so trendy web2.0 company with a bunch of nerd superstars they're supposed to be free of the headaches of competition? - bugninja, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20It's called competition.
- dmurray14, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Good point. Glad you took the time to notice it's not actually a web service, but something you download and host on your own.
A+ for effort! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21but... but.. it's AMAZING!
Seriously, I think the word "amazing" along with a few choice others needs to be banned from headlines from now on. - dmurray14, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Yes, they're sure going to make a lot of money off this FREE product now that they've advertised it on digg
...some people... - buddyfarr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16it's nice that the web page died when I tried to connect and gave me their login information (I took the password out, it was in there):
File: /users/home/a51studio/domains/activecollab.com/web/public/cms/environment/classes/database/DBConnection.class.php
Line: 47
Host: localhost
User: a51studio
Password: *************
Database: a51studio-oscamp - seanharrop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I'm sure there was another reason for it besides doing it for the price. One that sticks out to me is that I can install it on my own corporate network and not worry about my company's private data getting into the wrong hands. Do you want an external application service provider to know what your next big plan is?
- mwdcodeninja, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12dosent look like they can stand up to the digg...
- breezy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Becuase I can now use a FREE alternative which is apparently also great, or should i say "Amazing".
- breezy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Duggmirror: http://www.duggmirror.com/tech_news/Amazing_clone_of_Basecamp,_100_free/
and zip location of alpha1: http://www.activecollab.com/download/current/activeCollab.zip - smithellis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Installed! I like it.
Hey, you know, if you spend $9, $25, or even $99 a month on something that you can get for free, then you might not have a business very long. Just sayin. - ilijastuden, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Please, remind me not to leave script in debug mode next time! I feel so stupid.
- Ub3rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Can we start burying people for using Digg cliches like "Amazing", "Hilarious", any headline in all caps, or any headline ending with more than one exclamation point?
Summarize the article, don't give us your opinion on it. You obviously liked it enough to digg it, we get it. - boolean, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7screenshot:
http://www.activecollab.com/files/screenshots/project-overview.png - sardonic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Ah.. I see.. well I'll tell that to Oo.Org their obviously "Its still a ripoff"
- riklomas, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12Basecamp already has a free version: http://basecamphq.com/
Also, if Basecamp's service is great, why not consider actually paying for it? - spectre_25gt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6God damnit, digg 3.0 still has that bug where you reply to the wrong story if you openned up multiple tabs. It's even worse now because there's a time limit on making edits (I clicked edit and before I could change it, the edit window disappeared and I was stuck).
- Sferrero, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7+1 reason to use basecamp...
- majglow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Odds are they believe in a business model where they can make money while providing a free service (ads?). I don't see how it's mean-spirited. It's business. I haven't been to the site yet, so I can't really say anything for sure (site is down for me).
- lament, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6umm.. Backpack and Basecamp, while having a couple of overlapping features (writeboards), are nothing alike.
- Novagenesis, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Or...it means they're charging too much for how much work it took to create the program...
There doesn't seem to be an amazing amount of innovation to Basecamp (at least imo).
Free software like this prevents monopolous price-gauging... The point now is, is it worth paying for Basecamp for the added support of a premium software package? - boolean, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4if above screenshot link doesn't work : http://aycu09.webshots.com/image/2928/1566924069033658270_rs.jpg
- ilijastuden, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Its just about providing alternative.
* For some Basecamp is too expensive
* aC can be installed on your local computer or your company network
* Customize it to fit your needs
* Integrate it with CMS/CRM you already have in place - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Probably either Symfony or CakePHP. Those are the two hot PHP frameworks right now. Prado is pretty hot, too, but I don't think it follows the MVC approach.
- Masanari, on 09/16/2008, -0/+4Why would I pay for a service that I can get for free? (Assuming its +- identical). I dont care how innovative it is or how much time was spent on the development of basecamp. Thats competition. Having said that, for some hosting activecollab may just be more expensive than basecamp.
- funbags, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It does follow MVC programming though, not sure what framework they used.. Any idea?
- indiekid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3because single-handledly revolutionizing web programming stands to be much more memorable than a few lightweight apps that will never change the world...
- jessethouin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Same here.
However, I think people need to ease up on 37. They didn't set out to be innovative when they developed basecamp, they set out to solve an internal project management problem. Turns out, their solution is well written and extremely effective. They didn't really innovate, but they produced an excellent product. And that's enough for me to digg 37. - boolean, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7unfortunately not, it's developed with php5 and mysql.
- ilijastuden, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Why should it be? Because its cool? ;)
As far as I can see there is not one technical reason why it shouldn’t be in PHP. Benefit is that PHP is widespread platform with great support. And every hosting provider have PHP package (maybe not PHP5 but that will change during time and activeCollab is here to stay). - humaneasy, on 03/11/2008, -0/+3It is no longer FREE nor GRATIS
- riklomas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I imagine it's not built in Rails as it's a downloadable self-hosting application. Rails hosting is still relatively difficult and expensve to get, where as building in PHP gives the application a wider market - and hopefully more people using it.
- fak3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Smaller download avail, the .tar.gz one is only 360kb, should be easier to get than the other now with all the Diggity going on:
http://www.activecollab.com/download/current/activeCollab.tar.gz
I'm installing it on my home server now... - nilobject, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Why you're getting modded down for a perfectly insightful comment, I'll never know.
Digg is the most AMAZING AND HILARIOUS site EVR! OMG! - BrockLee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The question is whether BaseCamp is worth what 37signals is charging.
The free version of BaseCamp is very restrictive. The non-free versions are expensive by many standards. This looks like a nice alternative. - muyuu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3dmurray:
Actually, they will probably make some good money if they have success.
Let me also point out that there is nothing wrong with that. - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ugh, everyone's ranting about CakePHP and Symfony, but I didn't find either the least bit appealing. I settled on Zend's framework for the project I have now, because it's unobtrusive but still provides a decent level of convenience. CakePHP & Symfony feel like "agh! rails! we need something super-cool in PHP now! throw it together quick!" ... Zend's taking their time, and I think they'll have a superior framework at the end of it. They're doing a great job of making it feel... not like PHP. ;-)
I still prefer Ruby though, it's just a better and more powerful language, face it. The more PHP evolves the more it feels like a Java wannabe. I don't hate PHP so don't try and turn this around. - Tetravus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Grabbed the mirrored zip, ran the install... the first step failed. Ran it again, the last step failed. But it did create tables in the database before dying. :-P
It says that it can't find the 'Owner company' does anyone know which table I should edit to hand create an owner company instance? (oh yeah, there's like zero documentation. Otherwise it looks pretty interesting.) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+337Signals also has Backpack, a cheaper per month, pared-down version of Basecamp. There are free versions of Backpack and Basecamp for basic limited accounts.
- XStatic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Can't tell for sure since it is down,but it looks like you run it on your own server:
"Set up an environment where you, your team and your clients can collaborate on active projects using a set of simple, functional tools."
If so then it is better for my use than connecting to a hosted service like BaseCamp - Tetravus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Found the problem and a fix to get it to install locally.
In the file 'activeCollabinstallinstallationtemplatessqlmysql_schema.php'
Replace line 19 with
`client_of_id` smallint(5) unsigned NOT NULL default '0',
And I take it back about there being no documentation. It looks like the code is pretty well commented and uses logical variable names for just about everything. - premierstrategy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4We love basecamp and have used it for dozens of client projects... The end-user experience is fantastic. A simple, clean solution to no-frills collaboration. I'm glad to see 37 Signals being rewarded for their hard work and innovation. We're also glad to know they will probably be around after putting an app like this out on the street. It's well worth the $25-$50 bucks imho - I hope it encourages others to think about creating great solutions to simple problems.
- darylsws, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2We've just installed here (painlessly) and to be honest it looks great (especially as Basecamp has just gone down). One of the greatest advantages of this software is that it's not reliant on a web connection - we've had outages in the past which have meant no access to Basecamp. I suppose the only major downside is that we've got tons of info on Basecamp but thats easily offset by the monetry saving and the fact that our inhouse PHP guru can tweak to his hearts content.
It's all horses for courses but I reckon this "activeCollab" software, albeit a "rip" of basecamp is great. - diggfilter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4If you can't afford Basecamp, you need to go home and cry to your Mommy.
If you can't afford $9, $25 or even $99 to run your business, then you HAVE NO BUSINESS.
Complaining about the cost of Basecamp is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in my life. - bondo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well, by company standards BaseCamp is pretty cheap. A company I used to work for had a requirement that was missing in BaseCamp (a time tracking system - basecamp has this now, but not quite how this company wanted it), so they decided to build their own. $9000 USD later they are still building, the interface is clunky and poorly planned, and it's less flexible by a mile. They could have used baseCamp for 5 years before spending that cash, probably for 10 years considering they are maybe half done, but go figure. Not to mention the BaseCamp interface is excellent
- xxdesmus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2tried to install it, but got all kinds of erors...maybe i have a corrupt download, we'll see.
- standsolid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The word "clone" is being used pretty liberally here...
This is definitely trying to match features -- but it does not seem nearly as simple as basecamp.
But cheers for the efforts so far! I'm sure it will be amazing software that will challenge 37s. - seventoes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why would you spend money on something you can get for free?
- seventoes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2To me it looks like they developed it in rails and used some kind of converter to switch it over to php. The file structure is almost identical, including using a dispatch file (index.php in this case) to redirect to the /public directory transparently. The URL structure is similar too. (?c=controller&a=action)
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