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- glock22ownr, on 10/12/2007, -4/+61Isn't it amazing how much power the RIAA has? It controls the governments of two super powers... I for one would think there are bigger fish to fry...
- neoknight, on 10/12/2007, -3/+44DUGG because I hate stupid governments and freaking deep pocket individuals who think they can freaking A do whatever the heck they want because they flash money around.
ALLOFMP3 I w00t for you!
(even though I don't buy music online) - Andy.D, on 10/12/2007, -3/+39I still think the supreme irony in all of this is that the record industry should see what a hit allofmp3 is, and try to understand why: good pricing, good options for encoding. Honestly, they could double their prices and it would still be a damn fair deal IMO. But $1 for a song? Yeah, riiiight.
- evensong, on 10/12/2007, -1/+35Although credit cards like Visa still do not work, I believe you can still use Visa to buy XROST Cards, then transfer the points over to AllofMP3. Same thing, just a bit longer process I think.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33whats worse than owning a drm song for a dollar?
having to pay $3 for that same song to be my ring tone for 3 months. - thoughtcancer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23There's very few ways to give artists money. To boot, here's a small list of things that don't give them money (or so little money that it doesn't matter):
- Buying CD's from a store
- Buying from "approved' online music stores
- Licensing their music for movies/commercial/TV (since it's the label that owns the rights to the music, they're the ones that get the cash)
Here's how you CAN give artists money:
- Go to the show
- Mail them some cash, or just walk up to them after the show and hook them up
- Buy their merch, especially at a show
- Buy any music procuct the band sells at shows, even if the markup looks a little steep.
Of the above three, I do all of them. You see, I was once a musician in a band that was signed to a label. I know a thing or two about how you make (and not make) money when under contract. Our band sold a good bit of CD's and never saw a dime of that money. But every shirt, hat, and sticker we sold left us some cash at the end of the day (enough to keep doing it full time). Every ticket sold to our shows was money in our pockets that bought food, paid rent, gassed up the tour bus, and left money for the roadies to buy beer.
There are a lot of "artists" that don't play live, don't tour, and don't connect with their fans. Good on them; they have the protection of the RIAA mafia, who props up their "work" with ham-fisted attemps to subdue their customer base with lawsuits and reduction of retail choice. Just understand that when the RIAA says stuff like "support the artist", there is no mechanism in place to do so; it's just money straight into the pockets of executives and lawyers, who probably use it to buy more hookers and cocaine.
Not that I'm bitter, but i'm tired of people hawking the Company Line, saying that this hurts the artists. You want to know what really hurts the artists? The ***** record labels, that's who.
Anything that brings more people out the shows is a GOOD thing, even if it means giving away the music for free. I understand that now more than ever. - CravenTwain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Yeah. We should start a telethon for the poor, impoverished lambs:
"Here's Pete Doherty. He's down to his last rock of crack - and if you don't give generously he won't be able to get high again until his personal assistant has time to go to the ATM... And this is Steve Tyler. He has a swimming pool shaped like his lips, but what he really wants is a swimming pool shaped like a guitar. Pick up the phones and donate now..." - rzurad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19@cleverboy
Its not AllofMP3's fault if ROMS is not paying the bills. The way the system works is AllofMP3 pays ROMS, and ROMS pays the artists. In this case, it would be ROMS that is doing the illegal deeds, not AllofMP3. - zoxed, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24> If allofmp3.com can demonstrate that artists are receiving their fair royalties on the works then perhaps this issue can be laid to rest.
Can iTunes ? - SLYK, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14@evensong
yeah that's exactly how it works...xrost is pretty nice too, it only takes about 3 minutes to set up an account there an pay with visa - adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Those guys better watch out, they might find a little radioactive surprise in their food.
- thoughtcancer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16All I can say to this is: Right On, Comrade! I know life isn't fair, but to lose AllofMP3 would be a loss for the community.
- jlawson1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13what's wrong with paying for quality and format options? and I guess you fell better about giving $15 to $20 for an album that maybe you like one song on it, of which the artist gets less than $1. I think you need to re-evaluate who you think you are 'actually supporting'.
- jjesusfreak01, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18Dugg down on principle...just for saying Paypal
- adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14***** troll.
Not everything illegal is WRONG. I know I support the artists, I go to concerts buy their stuff. Order off their websites, but I just refuse to give a dime to those DRM supporting, money grubbing ass holes. Universal especially. - zoxed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Check your facts: illegal copying of music is copyright infringment, not stealing. In most places it is a civil offence, not criminal like stealing is.
- Cerebral, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15@strictnein
Actually if you knew how AOM and the Russian govt. works then you would know it is the RIAA blocking the abilitiy of artists to receive the money from AOM sales. Basically you must register with the Russian govt. in order to receive royalties. The RIAA blocks the ability of bands to sign up in Russia because it directly pays bands. The RIAA is blocking this because it causes them to become what they really are... the middle man. AOM has been paying royalties to all bands who have signed up with the govt.
Besides that, since when does paying for a cd give the band money? I will gladly give them a dollar when I see them which is more than they will ever see from the one cd purchase I made. If you support a band do the following: spread the word, go to the shows, sign up for the fanclubs, join their myspace page, buy t-shirts and various other goodies. All of these things will make them more money as well as make them more popular. They may never make MTV or win any awards but they will have a loyal fanbase... more loyal than those who do make MTV. The Deftones are the best example of this.
Deftones FTW! - jerickson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I think the big picture here is not RIAA vs AllofMP3 (which frankly the RIAA would be stupid not to try and stop), but rather a fundamental misunderstanding of the consumer by the music industry. People want the ability to choose what format they want their music in and how they want to use their music. DRM treats paying consumers as theives despite the fact they clearly chose to pay rather steal it. If someone already decided to pay for music rather than easily download it what is DRM actually protecting?
I personally will never buy DRM music, not because I want to steal music from artists, but because I want to be able to freely use it on any device that I own and not be locked into any vendor.
As the Stanford Prison Experiment(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_Prison_Experiment) showed, if you treat people like criminals they act like criminals. - Captbob007, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I added to my acct with Mastercard just last week...
- adamb78, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11This is definitely true. Russia has one of the lowest corruption rates in the world, and judges could never be swayed by diplomats. /sarcasm
Truth be told if the Russian Mafia runs them they probably won't be shut down.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781359.html - empeethree, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17What good is it if you cant put money in your account?
- inaminute, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11the RIAA is composed of greedy pompous bastards who think they deserve more money than theyre worth, and dont care at all about artists, regardless of what some ppl will tell you.
support your favorite artists by going to their concerts, requesting their music on the radio, and telling your friends about them. whether you buy a cd from allofmp3, itunes, or bestbuy doesnt make a difference to the artist, only the riaa's bottomline. - inaminute, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7thoughtcancer, i hadnt read your comment when i posted mine to the main topic, and i ended up saying pretty much the same thing, lol.
anyways: right on, man. - igyigyigy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Actually they did double their prices a few years back, it didn't put me off buying from them. They could triple it again and people would still use it. I'd be happy enough to use it at 3x current pricing if i was sure some of the money was going to the artists.
- strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7No, it's doubtful I will like anything from Jamiroquai.
- ItsDon, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14The RIAA is Americas Mafia, like or not.
- mushoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"Work around for Xrost problem"
"43. by ss05, 30 October 2006, 21:14
For those unable to use the XROST card due to no such option on the "Refill Balance" page, if you click on the "Add money by Credit Card" option (which takes you to step 2 of 3) look up in your address field and you'll notice the HTTP address ends in "ccard". Highlight those 5 letters ONLY and change them to "xrost" and hit enter.
I did that and it took me to the page where you enter your XROST iCard PIN Cods and Claim ID."
Or you could have searched for it here on digg as it seems someone already gave props to ss05.
http://digg.com/software/Add_Money_to_ALLOFMP3_com_with_XROST_Story_by_ss05
http://blogs.allofmp3.com/music_news/2006/10/24/another-attack-against-allofmp3com-after-its-press-conference-visa-and-mastercard-this-time/ - zoxed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Worked for me last night.
- ItsDon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I use a 'virtual' credit card number that is isssued by my bank. It generates a one time use number that ties to my real number. Once the transaction is complete the number is no longer valid, ever. Pretty safe way to do it, even with mobsters.
- aggies11, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@cleverboy
I support my artists by going to their concerts, buying their merchandise (t-shirts, buttons etc). Thats how you do it, and it works alot better.
The general consensus is that the RIAA "supports the artists" as much as AllOfMp3 does. But the key point is AllOfMp3 does not screw over the consumer. The RIAA and like will collude to make you pay higher prices, want to restrict what you do with the music you purchase, and will even ***** sue it's customers!
I don't support AllOfMp3 because I 100% support their ideals, I do it because it's the best alternative out there.
Aggies - gwinerreniwg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I just used my ccard - a MC and a Visa a few weeks back with not issues. Just choose the "Debit or Credit Card" option. The transaction is processed through e-Centru.com. I did have a "foreign transaction fee" of $1.50 on my credit card statement though (my credit card company's fee) because e-Centru is off-shore.
- firemissionary, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7You forgot to add "The Man"
- CravenTwain, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I have money in my AllofMp3 account - and haven't been able to access the ordering system now for over a week. I get this message:
"We are sorry, but the ordering is currently disabled.
The site is undergoing scheduled maintenance. Please check back later."
So, nice way to stay open... - tomee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Another thing to note is that even though the legality of the downloads have been doubted so many times and even though so much FUD has been spread over it, people still happily pay to use the service rather than just downloading it for free off some p2p network (and I would guess that most people who came across allofmp3.com also came across a p2p network). Clearly there is no lack of willingness by the people to spend money.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What I am saying is that I'd also like to be able to buy cheap Russian goods.
Mo - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6What has always interested me about AllOfMp3.com is how the idea of globalization applies to it.
Multinational corporations can easily outsource our jobs to foreign countries, outsource manufacturing to areas with less stringent environmental controls, and outsource their own headquarters to avoid paying domestic taxes.
Here is a case where globalization is working for the little guys - you and me - paying for a service that has been able to exist legally (well, somewhat nebulously) in Russia. When it runs afoul of powerful organizations, it is decried as illegal.
It is ironic that globalization is only allowed to work for large corporations and not for the individual. It is also alarming that the US Govt all but endorses this view.
Mo - the0ther, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5i added with mastercard about a month ago. 15 minutes after i placed my order i got a phone call asking me if i had made a purchase in the nation of Moldova! i said hell YEAH i did.
moldova is one of those little independent countries and if the money i send to allofmp3.com is somehow going through moldova i think this service is going to be a little more difficult to squash than the captains of industry would like. - strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I take it you don't buy cheap Chinese goods?
- venicerocco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4How much does a standard CD album cost in Russia?
- fadeout, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4A pissed off Vladamir Putin wanting to get into the WTO trumps Russian mobsters.
- SedulouSyntax, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Russians earn less than anybody else in the G8.
Unsurprisingly, they pay less for their bread. They pay less for their vodka. And, guess what, they pay a whole lot less for their legitimate music and films - go into an Auchan, Ramstor or other international chain and you will see the evidence.
Allofmp3 is able to arbitrage the difference between the western/RIAA/MPAA prices and Russian prices. And this wonderful internet-thingy makes that arbitrage available to all of us. Of course that is bound to annoy the profiteers in chief
Why is it so hard to understand that allofmp3 is enabled by technology and not by theft? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I kept refreshing and eventually got through. They seem to be having some problems, but I was able to get some music out of it yesterday.
- shark72, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3
"The general consensus is that the RIAA "supports the artists" as much as AllOfMp3 does."
Artists and musicians who actually make money selling CDs would disagree with you. Remember a few months ago when Weird Al Yankovick was complaining that he makes less on iTunes sales than he does on CD sales? The key thing here is that he is MAKING MONEY. He's made exactly zero from allofmp3 downloads.
If you have a moderately well selling CD, and you sell 5,000 copies in a month for which your record company pays you a buck a copy, that's $5,000 in your pocket. If Allofmp3 lets people download 5,000 copies, they will pay you zero. Maybe record companies don't pay as much as we would like (hell, my employer doesn't pay me as much as I'd like, and I'm in the computer industry), but at least they pay artists. This is a really, really important distinction.
Many people reading this will say "But what's $5,000 to your typical recording artist? They all have their houses in Malibu and their Bentleys. I use allofmp3 so I can make things a little more fair... they don't need so much money." This makes about as much sense as pirating software because Larry Ellison or Bill Gates are billionaires -- the hard reality is that most recording artists do NOT make gobs of money, and the money you pay for a CD or a software app goes to many hard-working people.
Use allofmp3 if you'd rather save the money... but don't do it because (a) artists are already rich enough and don't need your money, or (b) artists don't make money from CD sales. While you can find examples at either extreme, neither is true for most artists. - sophiaperennis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Even if the artists would get their share of the royalties through ROMS, the RIAA would go after AllofMP3.com. They don't like the fact, that they are selling songs as bottom prices.
Furthermore, the RIAA doesn't like the DRM-free aspect of the songs sold. - RevMark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1XROST Rules! US Congress Critters Drool
- tdogg241, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually, the American mafia is America's mafia. Just an observation.
- rinkjustice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1AllofMP3 still accepts Mastercard, last time I checked.
- TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5The only problem with your statement is it is not illegal. Russian copyright laws and US import laws leave a loophole. Ever use a tax loophole? It is not stealing if it 1. complies with the law 2. You taken no physical property. I personally believe it is not stealing unless you physically taken something but that is my opinion. If you duplicate someones car in your back yard, you wouldn't say you stole their car.
Eric Wilson - gamerzworld, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I sent them an email a couple of days ago. Today, I got this reply,
"Please, don’t worry.
We keep on working, there is not any risk that your money or personal data will be lost.
Best regards,
Tech Support of Allofmp3.com" - abbyladybug, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1XROST hasn't been working for a few days. Here's the message:
Dear valued customer,
As part of our ongoing effort to improve the payment platform, we will be performing a scheduled server maintenance. The payment option at our site will be restored in 48 hours.
Sincerely, Xrost Team -
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