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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+63As long as he means free as in not tiered, not censored, not restricted, I'm all for it.
- adolfojp, on 10/12/2007, -36/+97He should! After all, he invented it.
- cookedchicken, on 10/12/2007, -9/+59Oh god, not again.... From wikipedia:
In 1991, Gore sponsored the High Performance Computing Act of 1991 which advanced the growth and mainstreaming of the Internet during the 1990s. In 1999, during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" on March 9, 1999, Gore said:
During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.
This statement has been the target of satire and criticism. Some of this criticism has been based on the interpretation that Gore was claiming to have invented or created the Internet. Internet pioneers Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf defended Gore's statement:
...as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.
Al Gore certainly didn't "invent it" literally, but the Corporate knuckle-heads he is fighting are out to destroy the spirit of what spurred its creation. At least someone is fighting for our cyber-rights. - allenu, on 10/12/2007, -22/+53Oh boy, here we go. He did not say he invented it. Look it up. The actual quote was taken out of context.
- FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 10/12/2007, -10/+33goog god... he's been in this position before (when he helped create all of the original legislation regarding the internet) and he didn't abuse it, nor any other pwerful postition he held before or since. there's no basis for your statement.
i hope to god he can help. - J6stik, on 10/12/2007, -15/+34Al Gore is not going to use this to win the "nexy eledctions." I know that you're all excited because you just listened to "American Idiot" three times prior to watching "V for Vendetta," but nobody else cares about how awesome anarchy is, no matter what your anarchy-themed Converse shoes imply.
- TheQwe, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22Big ditto to seumas. As much as free internet would rock, if the government controls it it could open doors to all sorts of censorship and tracking- Just look at China.
I'd rather pay 30 bucks a month for unrestricted access than have free government-controlled internet. - mushoo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20@Koshak
Go read the Conyer's Report http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/010605Y.shtml
Do some research on Kenneth Blackwell.
Mull over the fact that while a diebold ATM will produce a paper trail of your monetary transactions, a diebold voting machine will not.
Would it really be that hard to implement a system where the machine hands you an easy to identify copy of your vote? You check that it is correct, and while the machine tallies your vote the paper copy is being hand counted. The electronic results give you the immediate results while the paper trail backs them up. Would give more credibility and legitimacy to the process.
If the electoral process were more transparent and less littered with such irregularities I'd have no problem with your knee-jerk insults and sneers.
"I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney then go for a ride with Ted Kennedy"
Very funny. One question though, was the "then" intentional?
I just ask because my assumption on your joke being funny is that you would partake in a hunting expedition with Cheney and "then" go for a ride with Kennedy. That is hilarious, any person that is willing to take those risks in succession must be a real risk-taker. Not to mention stupid. - Stopher, on 10/12/2007, -14/+29Al is a lot cooler lately. It's too bad he didn't have this personality and balls earlier. Not that he actually lost his election but it would have been harder to steal.
- nights0223, on 10/12/2007, -9/+22Umm, do you even use the internet? There are ads all over.
- brandizzle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Politics has alot to do with technology now...
I don't really see how you expect anyone to report on one while fully ignoring the other. - oneeyedelf1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Al Gore has contributed greatly to government understanding and funding for the internet. He helped coin the WWW (world wide web) which allowed brainless leaders to somewhat understand what the internet is. Al Gore actually gets the internet, seems to be continuing to fight the good fight.
- mtvkilledusall, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19Al Gore never claimed he "invented the internet".
- jbus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I knew some dumbass was going to say this.
Free as in Freedom *****! Not tiered and censored Like all the major ISPs and Telcos are now lobbying Congress for. - mtvkilledusall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Not that kind of free.
Free as in freedom.
Duh. - Murdats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8did the spell checker explode when you clicked it, or did you use a random word generator to create your post?
- frontpage, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Thanks for telling everybody about your report, Internet Guardian.
- samdu, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11If you think the Democratic party is looking out for your interests any more than the Republican party is, then I have some beautiful ocean front property in Kansas to sell you. BOTH parties have become corrupt and only care about attaining/maintaining power. It's time for a rational third party to knock the status quo down a few hundred pegs.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Right. I don't have a problem with providing basic internet access (in public terminals) to everyone, but I do not want to subsidize home internet access (which means providing computers, too) for everyone. Why should my tax money help someone's kids play around on myspace and download music? Further, if they get it free, why should I have to pay $65/mo for mine?
More importantly, what good is an internet free of cost if it isn't free of all the evils I mentioned above, such as censorship and tiering? - frontpage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I think that posts like this op's are evidence that some of our more dumb American friends now completely equate freedom with consumerism. When something is "free," regardless of what it is, to them that now only means that it won't cost money. On the other hand, I bet they won't like it when you tell them that their moms are free though
- tuna1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Then you need to listen the ***** up.
- Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11If AlGore had won the election back in 2000, the USA would probably have 100 megabit internet like the koreans by now....gg to those who voted for ape-boy
- jbus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6FREE AS IN FREEDOM... did you read the article and the posts above?
- yensed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Get a Clue...
- TheAttacks, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15Well, I mean ads you can't stop, delivered by your ISP. Not ads that webmasters decide they'd like you to see.
- niia, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Oh how I wonder what the internet would be like if Al Gore had won the election, maybe we'd all be using 100mbit line like some koreans or japanese do. It would be nice to have a president that understands technology.
- aqualung, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Good article...It's something I would not have ever read had it not been for Digg!
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10What do you mean "if" Al Gore won the 2000 elections...
- w0rd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I have a legitimate question since so many people on here seem to react violently to political stories: I was commenting on a story that had recieved well over a thousand diggs. It was completely political. When I went to go back to it, it was gone. When I searched for it, it said it was buried. Is that due to age or it being reported? If it was due to age, sure I can see why, however, if it was due to people "reporting" it, that seems weird since it had so many diggs, especially at night.
Link to discussion:
http://digg.com/security/Schoolteacher_arrested_by_Homeland_Security_for_asking_to_move_a_car
at 1503 diggs. - mushoo, on 10/12/2007, -12/+16I still can't get over the fact that he chose Lieberman as his running mate, frickin' Lieberman, I'm sort of glad he didn't get to be VP. Still Lieberman would be easier to stand than our current one, Elmer Fudd one-shot Cheney.
I totally agree with Gore on this one though.
As for his call for independent video-journalism. On the liberal side there are several venues that seem worthwhile.
Media Matters, Crooks and Liars, PoliticsTV, the Young Turks and some others.
I'm very interested on what the other side of the aisle has to offer. Would anybody care to drop some names? - niia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4small percent uses p2p? where have you been this whole time. I can confidently say that millions are currently using bittorrent right now. I'm sure there are other files beside porn, but it probably doesn't interest you, since your mind constantly has the idea of sex when p2p gets mentioned.
People like you are too easily satisfied. Why don't you just go back to 56k modem or isdn since your so content with just surfing the web. But it's a fact that files will continuously get larger. I;m still waiting for hdtv shows to be available through the net. Anyway, try to think about the future for a change. Not if something works, lets keep it that way attitude. - tuna1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9He never suggested he did!
- JAppi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I clicked on this story just so I could find this comment and mod it up.
- trilioth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4-1 Repeating three comments above this one, "Free as in Freedom."
And everything has a cost. You might not get paid to post that comment, but you spent energy and money to have the power to do it. In a "free market" even if you don't spend money on it directly, you may spend money on it indirectly. Someone pays for it somewhere. All you need to remember is this little catchy cliche: "There is no such thing as free lunches." - Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4foohookups is wrong. It's not that simple. While everyone is saying that the democrats are going to overregulate and censorship the internet, they are actually kidding themselves because it is in fact the republicans who are behind big censorship,removal of internet rights. Republicans are behind RIAA and MPAA. TheDemocrats are more likely to value the consumer than the republicans.
- triphop, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Some spineless wort on the internet who has *zero* creditials has the phoney balls to criticize someone who actually made a difference. Without the political will shown by Gore it is altogether possible that the development of the public internet would have been delayed.
The problem with idiots is that they do not know when to STFU. - deesnutz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Wow, why is it you never hear of Republicans fighting for the good of the everyday common man. Where's republican leader Frist or even good ol' Hastert on this topic? Frist and Hastert recalled Congress from its recess for an emergency session for Mrs. Terri Schiavo. These so-called honorable men can move Congress. But why not for the average joe smoe? Makes you think doesn't it. But like they say, "those damn Democrats never fight for a cause and just whine and complain." Well here's yet another example of a Democrat who is putting himself at risk (especially with all the Republican BS of "he said he created the internet" fiasco) in trying to help the comman man. Al Gore will make a great President (hell of alot better than good ol' Dubya).
- aratika, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Who is Al Gore?
- jbus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yep... It seems like it's people that are reporting it. I guess it really doesn't take that many people reporting a story to knock it off the front page. I think people have caught on to this and will make a quick effort to bury stories that they don't agree with, even if that story has many diggs.
I think some tweaking is needed on the number of reports needed to bury a story... Especially if that story has a lot of diggs. - mattyG, on 10/12/2007, -14/+16I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney then go for a ride with Ted Kennedy
- mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Hes a nice person actually. I met him a few times.
His channel is live now I think, not sure what kind of show he comes up with though. I saw one episode once and it was some clown discussing about his Nike shoe collection. Eww. - RichPowers, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7So does Al Gore still look like he stumbled out of the woods after a week of hard drinking with Grizzly Adams?
- inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Are people still carping about that comment Gore made? It's amazing how long a this stuff lives on with conservatives. You'd almost think they enjoy having comments taken out of context and being perpetually misinformed.
Two things I do when some right-wing bonehead makes a smarmy-ass comment about Gore supposedly claiming to have invented the Internet.
1. I ask if they actually saw, heard or read the comment in its entirety, including what came before and after, and understood the context of it or are they getting the story secondhand.
2. I point out an easily-confirmed fact: when the guys who worked at DARPA decided to have a 25 year reunion, the decision was made to extend invitations to a small number of people they felt were important in the effort to advance their work, and Al Gore was on the list. (Bill Gates was invited too but declined because at the time the Internet hadn't yet become a household term and he wasn't sure it was worth his time.) Anyone still spouting this nonsense about Gore should first explain that.
Always, with both challenges, I get that blank stare or incoherent babbling of someone who has decided they would rather be spood-fed the Rush Limbaugh fantasy than deal with facts. - dael, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've seen this happen over and over.
- there, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2
I think he's personally disturbed at the chaos that real public opinion is all about.
The Internet provides the first real outlet for the public and there are many many voices. Finally a place where all men can have a podium to speak and anyone that doesn't agree with that is welcome to stop using it.
~ go go free speech - Soccrmastr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
- trilioth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Which is probably true for a large portion of the digg user base. Digg technology rocks. I've seen none better.
- trilioth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Warning: Vent Against the topic complainers.
Aye, aye, aye! They are everywhere... (1500 digs and they still didn't get it: http://digg.com/security/Schoolteacher_arrested_by_Homeland_Security_for_asking_to_move_a_car )
... so let me try to explain this again
from dictionary.com
tech·nol·o·gy
1.
1. The application of science, especially to industrial or commercial objectives.
2. The scientific method and material used to achieve a commercial or industrial objective.
2. Electronic or digital products and systems considered as a group: a store specializing in office technology.
3. Anthropology. The body of knowledge available to a society that is of use in fashioning implements, practicing manual arts and skills, and extracting or collecting materials.
[Greek tekhnologi, systematic treatment of an art or craft : tekhn, skill; see teks- in Indo-European Roots -logi, -logy.]
Key words: art, science, craft
I know I am being tart, but try counting how many times people have complained on the one post that was dug beyond 1500 (link above), or better yet, try reading though this type of complaint to actually get to some desent comments about the article. I am sure that enough comments have been made on the validity of politics in a tech site.
The complainers either lives comfortable lives with an apathetic attitude and apparently unaware of how the issues will effect technology and themselves, or they are hired by and/or currently worshiping powers against these issues, or they are just simply uneducated, or they are completely anal.
So to these I ask? If you don't like it why don't you ignore it and let the users decribe what to submit and digg?
There is no better site that I have seen for news than digg. Digg's technology makes it easy and fast. I am open to suggestions for other locations that are equal to or exceed the "goodness" of Digg's technology for posting topics that are supposedly no related to technology. Looking at the definition and especially the etymology of the word technology, I am currently at a loss on how any news can be news unrelated to technology, unless it does not describe actions. - darrenford, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5This has been posted above already, but you people still don't get it.
If you continue to say that Al Gore never said he created the internet, or if you say that is taken out of context, you are either ignorant, a liar, or a moron.
Go ahead and click that little red thumbs down button all you want. You cannot bury the truth one mod point at a time.
In Al Gore's exact words, from the now famous interview with Wolf Blitzer. This is directly from CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/03/09/president.2000/transcript.gore/
"But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system." - drawkbox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"For a short time [there was] a quality of vividness and clarity of focus in our public discourse, that reminded some Americans, including some journalists, that vividness and clarity used to be far more common in the way we talk to one another about the problems and the choices that we face," he said. "But then, like a passing summer storm, the moment faded."
"The public forum," he said, "has been grossly distorted and restructured beyond all recognition. It is the destruction of that…marketplace of ideas that accounts for the quality of strangeness that now continually haunts our efforts to reason together about the choices we must make as a nation." -
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