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- sishgupta, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Great so the FAA thinks cell phones will cause interference but not a wifi AP...
the logic is astounding.
And they are blocking voip? Clearly the FAA has issues with telecom in the air. - abid786, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13If they would lower the price, I'm sure non-business people would use it also.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11At least now you can blog your final moments describing what it is like in a plane that is in a 400 mile an hour vertical nosedive.
- UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I will pay. Let me check a box when I purchase my ticket online to add it to the bill and I will be even happier.
- Disease, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Less than $10 per minute?
- 89vision, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I take a lot of 6+ hour flights and this would really come in handy if only my laptop battery could keep up.
- sishgupta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7More like Delta Flight 1984 as someone else (ie. plane technicians) installs cams to watch you join the mile high club.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I need it or I won't be able to check Digg every 30 Minutes :(
- razrielle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I would pay just so i could go to this
http://www.thecleverest.com/countdown.swf - betobeto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I surely hope on-air complimentary chargers are part of the deal. It's not as if a couple dozen laptops on a single plane (pushing the odds here, I guess) could suck a big jet out of energy.
- thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@abid
Guess what... you weren't their target audience... Sorry.
@sishgupta
http://www.tc.faa.gov/its/worldpac/techrpt/ar06-41.pdf
Refer to page 17 and forward for cell phone data... The spectrum of cell phone service is much broader and more likely to cause interference. - astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If you live next to an airport your set for WiFi access...but can be a PITA hopping on each airplane's wifi as it zooms over your house.
Connected to AIRBUS10 Network
** Plane zooms off into the clouds **
Network Disconnected
Connected to AIRBUS11 Network
Network Disconnected
** Plane zooms off into the clouds ** - betobeto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The last thing I need to hear on a plane is 200 people yammering on their stupid cell phones anyway. Let the scare continue.
- LonesomeFighter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3that's how they will get you with the fine print.
I'm sure it only $10 a flight, maybe if your lucky a deal with multiple flights under same airline for same trip. - LonesomeFighter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@coolestkidalive
because you need a laptop with internet to do that.... - LaueOfficer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3When I flew to Germany this last Christmas on Lufthansa they had free wifi and I was able to use the Skype webcam chat easily with my GF.
- IdelosIX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@sishgupta
read the article that its linked to (along with others on the subject) and you'll realize that it isn't really the airlines keeping cell phones off of planes, it's consumers. I don't like dealing with someone loudly yakking on a cell phone on the street, but at least I can walk away. Customers have expressed a desire to keep cell phones from being used on planes so they don't have to deal with annoying asshats.
from the WSJ article this one linked to :"Facing high costs and opposition from fliers, U.S. airline customers weren't interested." - incode, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Wow... so you're allowed to take your laptop on again... soon maybe we'll be allowed bottled water again!
- lifeat24fps, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I could use this, I'm a nervous wreck while flying, I'd pay $10 to keep my mind off the flight.
- razrielle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3just like the old cells
- jpbleuu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i agree with betobeto the last thing i want to hear on the damn plane is some moron talking on his or her cell phone.
- joshuakuhn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Good for them... go away please...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Now I can plane Runescape while I'm on my way to my Dungeons and Dragons convention!
- Tiggi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"I take a lot of 6+ hour flights and this would really come in handy if only my laptop battery could keep up."
Hm, I think quite the same too. It is so tiring and boring at planes sometimes - nobody to talk to, a Wi Fi connection would make it much more fun. - rajulkabir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@jerodslay:
Singapore Airlines and many others had free onboard wifi for the last few months of 2006, after Boeing announced the discontinuation of Conexion. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Erm.... ahem.
http://www.cdc.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de/aircrack-ptw/
"Erik Tews and others there have demonstrated how to recover a 104-bit WEP key in under a minute, requiring the capture of fewer than 10% the number of packets the previous best method called for."
Yeah. WPA2 or better guys. - zxof, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2tried and failed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connexion_by_Boeing
probably Boeing should have done few things differently, but either way... nothing new about the idea. - JerodSlay, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Show me an airline with free on-board-wifi and I'll show you the #1 airline - soon-to-be the only airline.
- actionmike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is some food for thought (loosely speaking) for those Einstein wannabes (esp hdtvdust) who seem to think they're so smart explaining why cell phone use is unsafe during the flight while WiFi is OK...
If cell phone signals are so potentially dangerous, why do the airlines leave it in the hands of passengers to make sure the phones are turned off? - InfamousAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@hdtvdust,
I'm no advocate of allowing cell phones in flight. Way too many people talking would make flights that much worse, but... You're mistaken, and acting like a jerk for no reason.
Studies to date on cell phones causing electromagnetic interference with navigation and other equipment in airplanes have been inconclusive or reached conflicting conclusions. For example, here's one that says cell phone's won't interfere with navigation equipment: http://faculty.washington.edu/scottcs/NSF/CSWEC_new3.pdf
And the FCC bans the cell phones, not the airlines: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070323/news_1b23fcc.html
I'm glad they do. Otherwise I'd hate to have to listen to people like you talk during the entire flight. - zxof, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1just because it's not available on southwest, doesn't mean they don't exist.
http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_UK/content/exp/new/businessclass/seatfeatures.jsp?
"A centralised, all-in-one Business Panel features laptop power supply and 2 USB ports...."
... and I am sure SQ is not the only one. - aserer511, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1as long as it's isolated from avionics, surprised it took 'em this long
- 7amWDG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Take that DHH!
http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/347-youre-not-on-a-*****-plane-and-if-you-are-it-doesnt-matter
Now I am on a ***** airplane and it does matter "Whoops, offline apps are needed" - AstroZombie138, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They can't practically block VOIP from people who would figure out the open ports, use VPN, etc. However I would imagine the latency on these connections would exceed 500ms, so there wouldn't really be any point of having VOIP open.
- scotty588, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There is always ways around stuff. Although I am not sure what they would do if they caught you using a voip service like skype.
- randf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1can you imagine a plane full of idiots yelling into their voip phones, repeating the same thing over and over b/c of the crappy connections? they would need air marshalls on every flight to prevent the chaos.
- darkdaedra, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It's total ***** that they're blocking VoIP.
- randf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1more consumerist blogspam
link to TFA
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB117555160709857409-99MU2rqxzlF0BpJ1ks4sjaGWetY_20070410.html?mod=blogs - GeneralKickass, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hey we sure could do without the yuppies yapping their way to glory. I support their idea to disable VOIP.
- misterjangles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The article said that the renovations cost $500,000 per plane and it included in seat AC adapters as well as additional air-conditioning to account for the additional heat.
adding an extra inch or two of seating space so you can actually type without your elbows digging into your ribs... now that would be nice. - Rayor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You know you can save the SWF file to your hard drive.
- gjokkel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Cell phones adjust their signal power in order to reach the nearest cell phone hot spot. If the tower is far away (e.g.: on the ground) then the cell phone sends stronger signals. But if the hot spot was on board of an aircraft cell phones would operate on a very low signal power, since the hot spot is in the proximity.
- gjokkel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I was lucky to use the Connexion By Boeing service several times flying from Europe to the USA. It was very cool to have a Skype video chat with my family flying 33000 feet above Greenland and order my lunch in San Francisco. Almost every long haul Lufthansa aircraft had WiFi installed. Unfortunately Boeing has turned it down since they lost money on it.
I was happy to pay the few extra bucks for this service. (After paying thousands of dollars for the ticket who cares?)
What I really don't understand, that it would have been only $2 extra charge on each ticket to offer free WiFi on board. Probably it was a bit ahead of it's time. - Cannon1001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wouldn't the AP's have to be A's? B and G both run in the 2.4 GHz range. This is the same frequency used by the FAA's RADAR's. If the wireless network is broadcasting at the same frequency that the RADAR is listening for the pilot would be running blind with out the ability to see the NAV beacons RADAR signature.
- cl0r0x70, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The reason cell phones aren't allowed on airplanes is because the constant hand-off from tower to tower by thousands of cells simultaneously 5 miles high and going 400 miles per hour would crash the network.
It's an infrastructure issue. It may work for a handful of phones, but the system couldn't handle 40 - 150 cell phones on every jet all turned on simultaneously as they flew over New York, for example. - Quake120, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Live from Delta Flight 1869, watch this couple join the mile high club using the camera on their WiFi enabled device!
- bradwilki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hmm... I'm sceptical. The only way I can see this working is if they sen d up to the plane a WIMAX signal and let people connect to the Plane using WIFI. I guess it will essentially mean the Plane will become some kind of Wireless hub? I could be talking crap but I don't see how a WIFI signal could be sent up. Anyone care to explain?
- rajulkabir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0VoIP works fine with 500ms latency. You can have some echo problems depending on your equipment and jitter level, but it's very much usable.
Best-case latency from my home to my Asterisk server is 280ms. At times it exceeds 600ms. I use it for hours every day and during the 280ms times I get no remarks/complaints about echo. - JPhilipson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Let's work on getting power plugs into airplanes first...
- StiGUP, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0it's about time they got some wifi!! :D
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