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- ganjadude4391, on 11/04/2007, -8/+436OH NO.... NOT a ....LETTER
"yes.... and if you dont respond.... we will send.... ANOTHER LETTER!!!"
NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Hipple, on 10/12/2007, -3/+281"He said that tracking down those who had published the key was a "resource-intensive exercise"."
At least we're making them spend a lot of money. - PAJK, on 10/12/2007, -22/+185"I say bring it on."
Er, it's not you that will be fighting. None of you are fighting by posting the key here. The Digg team will be making the fight, and spending the money to do so. And you guys brought that to them...you put that on them, and have forced them into this position. You should be proud. You're true freedom fighters. - Rooster99, on 10/12/2007, -18/+162Its real easy to 'fight the power' when its not your ass on the line! Its real easy to hide behind a user name, but Ill bet most of us would cave if we got sent one of those letters. Digg truly has extremely large balls of steel to be taking on such a powerful company, and as a result they might be taking a bullet for everyone who posted the key anonymously.
Dont be surprised when the Digg guys have to ask for donations or (god forbid) they have to move to a pay per subscription basis, just to cover the legal costs that we are racking up for them. - bawpcwpn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+121Dear Digg Rebels,
We at the AACS are asking you to stop this stupidity and never post those letters and numbers again, "or else we will be very, very angry with you, and we will write a letter telling you how angry we are."
Regards,
The AACS - fLUx1337, on 10/12/2007, -7/+104Dear AACS,
Suck my balls.
Kind Regards,
--The Digg Community. - sixdust, on 10/12/2007, -11/+104Digg, tonight we dine in hell!
- falloutsyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -5/+88We need a war. ***** DRM.
- Juroujin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+75Our letters will block out the sun
Then we will dig in the shade - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+66" Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for.
I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike."
The Hacker Manifesto
+++The Mentor+++ - schoate09, on 10/12/2007, -2/+59Everyone has the key by now, they only want to sue digg because digg made it to the media, and now the public knows. IT's the AACS's fault.
Maybe, if buying a movie was fair:
I don't mind paying $15
I have to sit through a piracy warning, a pirate does not
I can't put that on my iPod, a pirate can
I can't can't make a backup, a pirate can
AND I PAID, and HE DIDN'T.
Piracy happens anyway, people always crack the movie, so why is it that the paying customers should be the ones to suffer the worst? - digghasnoethics, on 10/12/2007, -0/+56The real knockout blow would be for the PS3 Blu-Ray codes to be broken, along with the codes in each of the major hardware players. Revocation sounds so nice and pretty all the while its very, very rare. Problem is if its your only real weapon and you use it too much, the whole edifice falls into a morass of incompatibility.
AACS people are fighting a rear guard action to save their jobs. Odds on, they will fail; either via the approaches which cannot be revoked, or via trying to do so too often. Trying to sue people is a sideshow.
Time is now to consider the shape of the post AACS world. How can consumer rights be protected AND movie companies make *reasonable* returns. I'd suggest the shape looks something like this:
- No region codes or other limits on geography
- You buy it once, you buy it forever (eg independent of media or resolution)
- Download or media, it doesn't matter
- Costs are reasonable. A movie has a value and its probably around a *maximum* of $10. Costs on top for media have to reflect true cost and convenience (eg DVD=~$1)
- Buy to own. If I rent it, or watch it at the movie theatre, and I decide I want a permanent copy, I get a license upgrade from 1 time watch to permanent. No double dipping.
In short, business models have to change. Reaching for the lawyers means you've already lost. Learn the lessons of the music industry. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -21/+73we, the users, own digg.
without us, there is no digg. - Eeqmcsq, on 10/12/2007, -3/+53"We hope the public respects our position and complies with applicable laws."
They don't get it. The public already doesn't respect their position. That's why wiki got vandalized with the key, and a song appeared on Youtube, and T-shirts are being made about the key. - fkr3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+43- No region codes or other limits on geography
Couldn't agree more. When I left Australia I gave my little sister a sizable dvd colleciton which would have been absolutely useless if I'd taken them. Similarly, the dvds I've bought here are of no use to my friends and family back home.
- You buy it once, you buy it forever (eg independent of media or resolution)
Yup.
- Download or media, it doesn't matter
Yup.
- Costs are reasonable. A movie has a value and its probably around a *maximum* of $10. Costs on top for media have to reflect true cost and convenience (eg DVD=~$1)
Stop there. We get to set the price on what we produce - not what they produce. Setting a precedent there is only going to bite all of us on the ass - if we can decide their stuff is worth a fraction of what they think it is, what's to stop employers deciding *we* are worth a fraction of what we think we are?
- Buy to own. If I rent it, or watch it at the movie theatre, and I decide I want a permanent copy, I get a license upgrade from 1 time watch to permanent. No double dipping.
When you rent a car you're not given the option to purchase it at a reduced rate. When you borrow a book from a library they don't offer it to you at a reduced rate. When you pay to go to the local swimming pool they don't offer to sell you the pool. Aside from that when you go to the movies most of what you're paying for (in my opinion) is a better environment - 50 foot screens with dozens of speakers, air conditioning and a bar ***** all over my tv room.
Really it's just "fair use" that needs to be thoroughly examined and redesigned. If you buy a song or media you should be able to port it to your laptop/mp3 player/video player/etc, the price you pay is largely irrelevant. - PAJK, on 10/12/2007, -15/+48@.Steven: You exercise your freedom of speech every single day of your life. You're a fool if you think you're some kind of rebel or freedom fighter.
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33and the laws they're citing aren't acceptable.
- hmemcpy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+36Oh no, Hans Bricks!
- baronvonrolo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+35@.steven
I appreciate the fact that as an idiot you LOVE your freedom of speech, but please, go on exercise it away from the internet.
We have freedom of speech too, but we use refrain. Instead of making people have to scroll for hours because you think posting the f'ing code makes you a 1337 h4x0r!!
It's a good thing we know the code, it's a bad thing that we have to have comments like yours. - stephenwq, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31What ever happened to that HDDVD GoogleBomb? Surely that would piss them off.
BackupHDDVD is at the bottom of the search results already.... - salmonmoose, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27easy to fix:
1 go to about:config
2 add a field called: general.useragent.extra.firefox.comment
3 insert key
4 ????
5 Pirate!
If you can't fill their signatures with it, the least you can do is fill their server logs/analytics/etc with it :) - ComradeCreed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25Digg has every right to "censor" the code ("censor" is in quotes because it's not censoring, but people like to call it that.) It's against it's ToS. But it's a ***** sequence of numbers and letters. I put it in my signature on multiple different forums and my signature got banned from all of them out of fear. It's disgusting. And I don't blame the forums one bit, because they don't wanna be sued out of existence. I blame this ***** "act" that gives too much power. Again, we are talking about a goddamn sequence of numbers and letters! What's next? Banning me from typing the words "Spider-Man" because it might encourage people to download the movie? Why don't you just sue me for having a keyboard? With a keyboard, I can do all kinds of illegal *****.
I swear, this is becoming some borderline "thought crime" *****. They aren't fighting the people who use the code, they are fighting the people who know it and talk about it. - GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -9/+30More like, we'll sue your website's owner.
- sofaKing812, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24@.steven
"Just had to do it!"
No, you didn't. - Findeton, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2609-F9-11-02-9D-74-E3-5B-D8-41-56-C5-63-56-88-C0 . Now fight me. But remember... i live in Spain, and here that's absolutely legal. :D
- fkr3, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24The day after never? 995,000 of that million will never get their parents permission and bus fare.
- tboutcher, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25Come on Digg! Were called rebels and not one Star Wars reference. Have you forgotten you geekdom roots.
- jquixote, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18TWO PLUS TWO IS FOUR!!!!
- aboyd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20If you'd like to participate in the fight WITHOUT putting a sue-worthy number on your Web site, I created a page with graphics of a 5-color ribbon here:
http://www.outshine.com/blog/2007/05/graphics-for-geeks.php
The 5 colors are comprised of the "secret" hex code that is being suppressed. Interested parties are free to use these ribbons on their own sites. If you would like to link your ribbon to an explanatory page, I provide one here:
http://www.outshine.com/other/five-colors-campaign.php - redforty, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19This is where the government is actually ran 'by the people, for the people'. By waves of mobs.
When do you think we'll see a million-man-march upon congress over issues of DRM? - nite23, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2209-F9-11-02-9D-74-E3-5B-D8-41-56-C5-63-56-88-C0
...in Czech Republic it's legal too!
...well, it's legal in most of the world outside USA, actually.
AACS cannot win this war. - roodammy44, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20@fkr3
You may be right, but like someone else here said; "without us, there is no digg"
The intellectual copyright people have been going about this the wrong way for a long time. If they made their products cheap, high quality and easier to access than pirate then their sales would be doing very well right now.
I will be very sad if digg gets sued to oblivion, but everyone knows there will be a hundred user generated content sites without censorship to take their place.
And I'm sure the money from domain sale would still make the digg founders very rich. - Fartag, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16The day we can't write a damned number down out of fear of becoming a criminal may be one of the most effective kicks in the pants the citizens of the USA need to understand how backwards the DMCA is to a modern information society. If we don't fight now to keep non-private information free, fight to be able to freely discuss what the DMCA unconstitutionally restricts, fight to halt unreasonable and unconstitutional restrictions on speech then we're hurting ourselves and leaving it to future generations to fix another one of our asinine mistakes. It's our choice, we can work towards an age where information flows freely and content producers are paid/supported, or towards one that controls each piece of information as a product requiring draconian laws and tricks like the DMCA, DRM, endless copyright and software patents to ensure we only see, speak or write things sanctioned by the groups that control our information.
I, for one, won't work to benefit a country that puts me in jail for writing a number on a website, so if I'm jailed then you'll all lose my amazingly great programming skills (?). If not, then let the shining beacon of freedom shine on in the USA and the rest of the world.
Here's the restricted number: 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Here's my dynamically selected IP at the time of this posting Sun May 6 06:36:58 CDT 2007 using SWB Yahoo DSL: 70.242.122.112
(To the crackers out there I'm iptables firewalled so good luck!) - pop1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Well, there was no stopping the distribution of the key even before it showed up in this website. The AACS folks know that. This is not about keeping the secret key secret, because it wasn't secret to begin with. But the DMCA doesn't require the circumvention device to be secret. Even if a million people already knew the key to begin with, there's nothing preventing a lawsuit against someone who comes later.
And it's not about stopping distribution of the key. It's about revenge. They chose a failed business model, and they want others to pay for that poor decision.
The question we all need to start asking ourselves is this: if so many of us thinks the DMCA and DRM are bogus and are being used to harm the free society we believe in, then why aren't more of us writing Congress about it?
How can a law continue to be in effect when so many people think it's detrimental to the society? I'll tell you how: if those who disagree remain silent.
There's an opportunity here, and maybe we could do something about it. http://action.eff.org may be a good place to start. - eclectro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Well, as long as the same people get elected to office we get stuck with the same crappy laws. This issue isn't about the AACS, it's about broken copyright laws.
- Markpdotcom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16No, he's getting dugg down because he thinks the Hackers Manifesto came from a movie.
- kahrn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13What is the point of the AACS trying to fight us? As I saw somewhere before, not only is the cat out of the bag.. it is having many many kittens. It's next to impossible to stop the key from circulating now - not that it really matters because they have changed it!
That said, as soon as the new key is cracked I'm sure we'll all make sure that one is known too. But in my opinion, it is not digg's fault. Sure, the digg community played a large part but regardless of that, it would have been spread anyways. The AACS should grow up (die in a hole?) and stop trying to pursue us. What's done is done. - raid517, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20Oh enough already! This whole thing is stupid - and now Kevin may have to fall on his sword and destroy possibly one of his proudest achievements due to the actions of a bunch of thoughtless kids.
When did Kevin Rose become the champion of the Anti DRM debate anyway?
Did anyone ask him if he wanted to take the part?
It seems to me he has just being shoved into the limelight and being made to carry the can for everyone else.
Don't any of you who did this feel guilty yet? - roodammy44, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15@homeskillet77
You suck.
Divide and conquer doesn't apply when there's thousands of individuals to divide.
You really think everyone who posted the key will get sued? How many lawyers do you think they have?
Not only was your post retarded, but you enjoy thinking about people trying to resist an oppressive company get taken down.
I bet you're the sort of person who enjoys cheney making the totalitarian state happen. - greenjohnsmith, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1243,90 €...is someone insane.
- DinX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15No one expects the Spanish inquisition !!
- localzuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Well, considering many of the people who posted the number are not in the USA, I say good luck to them. They are only one company with a limited set of funds. Have they not realised that the more they kick up a fuss, the more the number will be spread.
No company has enough money to remove something from the net. - hmemcpy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER!
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER!
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER!
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER! - fkr3, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19@ roodammy44 "without us, there is no digg"
There's more than one "us" on digg, and any group of the users could go without much damage.
"The intellectual copyright people have been going about this the wrong way for a long time. If they made their products cheap, high quality and easier to access than pirate then their sales would be doing very well right now."
They are cheap, high quality and just as easy to access. The problem most people seem to have is simply paying any fee at all.
"I will be very sad if digg gets sued to oblivion, but everyone knows there will be a hundred user generated content sites without censorship to take their place."
It's the community as a whole (not the political leaning groups or the pro-piracy group or the kids who posted the code thousands of times, or the fans of every flavour or the funny pics/video kids etc) that makes the difference. 100 other sites could appear, and god knows hundreds of near-identical clones have appeared, but none of them could actually replace what we have here.
Any alternative is going to be governed by the laws of whatever country it's in, which if it's US-based will be the same laws digg is governed by. It's not really censorship to stay within the law unless you're in China. - brotherfranciz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"The entertainment industry-backed consortium which developed the protection said that it was looking at “technical and legal tools” to confront bloggers who made the key available, saying they had “crossed the line.”"
They crossed the line way before the consumers did.
"According to a Google search, almost 700,000 pages have published the key."
Good Luck fighting all 700,000... idiots. - jquixote, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Brian Coswell 694-30-8575
- xXShadowstormXx, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17*cough* http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/6020/35ae1394qi6.jpg *cough*
- Alisic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9They can't fight Digg's nerd rage.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11It is time for an organised boycott of DVD's and CD's. They are environmentally unfriendly, consume disproportionally enormous resources in their manufacture, distribution, and storage. They also force people to overfill their libraries with junk, then fill the garbage dumps en mass when the format changes.
The Internet can handle all our needs regarding the above now.
I say
just say no to DVD's and CD's
respectfully
PJ - dinAlt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I'm all for this type of civil disobedience. The DMCA was not something the public asked for. It was bought and paid for by industry to circumvent fair use and should be resisted. That's not to say I am for infringing copyrighted material. It just that the DMCA criminalizes what was once permitted under fair use doctrine by making it illegal to circumvent copy protection measures.
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