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20% of U.S. Has Never Sent E-mail

pcworld.com — Roughly one-fifth of all U.S. households are disconnected from the Internet and have never used e-mail, according to research firm Parks Associates.A recent phone survey of U.S. households by Parks found 20 million households are without Internet access, approximately 18 percent of all U.S. households.

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  • LewP, on 05/18/2008, -25/+3Dugg and subitted to the DDD.
  • lisaawesome, on 05/18/2008, -40/+81Isn't the current Bush approval rating around 20% as well? I'm not suggesting that internet users are Bush haters but more than someone who has never once sent an e-mail is likely very disconnected from the world at large. I would dare to guess this 20% is made up of old stubborn people and utterly apathetic low income folks. Whether you want to or not these days, many businesses and schools require e-mail and internet activity so that seriously narrows down the potential demographics of this 20%. ***** my 70 year old dad who is an uneducated truck driver uses e-mail and myspace and the such!
    • tabledesk, on 05/18/2008, -4/+37What's his MySpace?
    • MyNameIsFred, on 05/18/2008, -6/+8... I would dare to guess this 20% is made up of old stubborn people and utterly apathetic low income folks...

      Based on my experience, your assumption would be very wrong. I have several older relatives who have never sent an email, and do not own computers. And many of them are avid readers, and life-long Democrats. They just don't see the point of getting a computer at their age.
      • sovereign3, on 05/18/2008, -1/+1So, by implication you are saying that older Republicans are politically apathetic?
    • yojiffyskippy, on 05/18/2008, -4/+26The 20% is most likely poor and elderly. Both demographics are predominantly non-voters and/or Democrats.
      • TheGuruStud, on 05/18/2008, -1/+5Old people (white) do not vote democrat. Come to the Midwest/South (of course most our population are retarded) and ask 100 of them. 90 will scoff at you for asking such a stupid question b/c the republicans make america great..and still are (***** senile sons of bitches).
    • infinityredux, on 05/18/2008, -4/+8Everything doesn't have to be related to Bush, Obama, Hilary or Iraq. Please, for once, let's enjoy reading an article without bringing politics into it.
      • YoctoYotta, on 05/18/2008, -0/+3NO, Roosevelt was a impotent cross dresser and he beat his Nicaraguan slaves with a spiked malice! Vote Hoover and take your flapper ways elsewhere, flapper.
    • aguynamedjoe36, on 05/18/2008, -1/+6my father is 74 years old and made a career as a stock broker with merrill lynch. he cannot turn a computer on much less send an e-mail. he is educated, intelligent, and successful. but very stuck in his ways. believe it or not, you can be functional and even successful and possess no computer skills whatsoever.
      • YoctoYotta, on 05/18/2008, -0/+2Smart shmart, props to your dad for making a baby at 55.
      • TheGuruStud, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1BLASPHEMY!
  • Homerr, on 05/18/2008, -8/+110n00bs!
  • taradisiac, on 05/18/2008, -18/+18Hickistan!
    • Cumella, on 05/18/2008, -2/+2More like: OldpeopleinMiamistan (yea bad joke, so what?!)

      Hicks are online. If you've ever had the unfortunate experience of using AOL or Yahoo messenger you'd know this.
      • hoodedrobin, on 05/18/2008, -0/+2Hicks are online... If you played halo you would know every racist hick plays halo and loves to bitch on live. Or maybe they just have an internet connection.
  • Twan2649, on 05/18/2008, -8/+16Sucks for them.
  • Brainmodder, on 05/18/2008, -13/+2Quick have the army paradrop in some computers so we can make this statistic moot!
    • grimward, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1Now there would be a good use for the american army for once!
  • bonk2k, on 05/18/2008, -9/+133Please, someone get these children an e-mail address! These unfortunate souls need incredible offers for boner pills!
  • fishgeekva, on 05/18/2008, -9/+17yea no *****, how many old people get online?
    • Beowulf2112, on 05/18/2008, -0/+23My 75 y/o grandmother does regularly
    • nextyoyoma, on 05/18/2008, -0/+7well, that's one...
    • izackcarson, on 05/18/2008, -0/+7My 96 year-old grandmother doesn't have any idea what e-mail is. Then you have Luddites. WHat about the incarcerated? I know some prisons have internet access, but I doubt most inmates are checking myspace daily. 20% doesn't sound that high to me.

      E-mail and the internet in genreal are nice, but not necessary to life.
      • abhiroop, on 05/18/2008, -0/+2HOUSEHOLDS, not 20% of the population. Otherwise you could leave out inmates, those that have the lowest income in society, children aged about 0-5, those in hospital (possibly), those in old age homes (possible again), those in the health retreats. In any case the list goes on, my point is this is 20% of households. So inmates would not count, expect perhaps their house before they got incarcerated.
        • izackcarson, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1You're right. I should have been more clear in what I was thinking about. Most people are not in prison for life. A stint of a few years or so does make it hard to keep up what would be considered a typical life. And then there is the recidivism rate to add on top of that. I would imagine that getting internet access is not a high priority upon release, nor for quite some time afterwards. I have no idea what the numbers are, I just wonder what percentage of households that are included in that 20% are part of the figure due to being a part of the prison system.
    • aywwts4, on 05/18/2008, -0/+11My grandmother gives me letters to type up and email to people, she then wants replies and websites printed for her.

      She has a little organized binder labeled internet.
      • izackcarson, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1That's neat, and very nice of you to do for her.
    • grimward, on 05/18/2008, -0/+2Actually my 60 year old dad gets online regularly , I've even put msn as his startup messenger, so sometimes I see "ol pops" log onto msn :D

      But dddaaaaaamn how long it took to get that old sucker there :D But it was totally worth it as he's now using his outlook web access to handle all paperwork remotely at his workplace.
    • proverbs17, on 05/19/2008, -0/+0Hmmm. I guess it would depend on your definition of "old"

      My 79 year old father uses e-mail, on-line banking and IM.

      I'm 44 and I have used e-mail since the 80's, which is probably longer then a lot of people on Digg have been alive :)
  • mathchemist, on 05/18/2008, -4/+99Why do news articles always do this egregious number rounding? It says in the article that the actual figure is 18%. How are they justified in rounding that to 20% when they clearly have a more accurate figure?
    • musleypope, on 05/18/2008, -0/+23In my into to journalism class in college we were actually taught to round numbers for headlines. ***** if I know why. Maybe its just assuming that the general public is so stupid that they find it easier to comprehend round numbers?
    • iChaz, on 05/18/2008, -0/+27Psh, yeah. I mean, c'mon guys, 2% of america is only a mere 10 million people...
      • sovereign3, on 05/18/2008, -1/+11Try closer to six million (total US population ~300 million).
        • frieddonuts, on 05/18/2008, -0/+17I think he was following the laws of Journalism and rounding the number up :)
      • isaactwito, on 05/18/2008, -0/+2The point is that that would be an easy enough number of people to drown if we ever wanted to collapse a dam over a large city.
        • MarCrawford, on 05/18/2008, -2/+2And 2,000,001 wouldn't be easy enough? Or do I need to round up?
        • isaactwito, on 05/19/2008, -0/+1I'd say round up, just for security.
    • Uranium118, on 05/18/2008, -3/+3Because it is not exactly 18%. It is probably 18% ± x%. x is probably higher than 2% so they just round it up to make it nicer.

      That's my guess.
  • Chairboy, on 05/18/2008, -4/+69I'm more impressed that 80% _has_. For everyone who started in elm and earlier and started out playing with arpanet and other 'curiosities' decades ago, it's amazing how far we've come.

    Good job, US!
    • Archer007, on 05/18/2008, -1/+1Yeah, great job, eighty percent connected. But on ***** 3/1 Mbps or worse connections...
  • JJCDAD, on 05/18/2008, -3/+48I assume it's this same 20% that those digital tv commercials are aimed at?
    • Kronos6948, on 05/18/2008, -0/+11Hey now, I'm getting one of those converter boxes! No cable for me! Although, the internets have helped me keep up with those non broadcasted shows....;)
    • reddikilowatt, on 05/18/2008, -0/+7Well, sort of. The FCC and broadcasters assume that the most need for converters will be in rural areas that aren't served by cable TV. It is likely they won't have access to high speed internet service, so they may just not bother with it.

      Of course, most rural areas I see have a lot of dishes on houses, so maybe they're wrong, too.
    • lolwutpear, on 05/18/2008, -3/+1No, I don't feel like spending $40/mo for cable channels that would never be watched. However, I've been going online at home and using e-mail for about 12 years now.
    • 4LeggedtriPod, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1It's a sad shame, but I think that more than 20% of people don't understand the Digital TV switch. A lot of them under 30 too, unfortunately.
  • pype, on 05/18/2008, -9/+3This is somewhat comforting - I friggin hate email - I find most people use it as an excuse to avoid actual interaction with another person.
    • Remmiz, on 05/18/2008, -0/+3Yes because I love walking across my building just to ask a coworker what the new variable for the database will be called when I can take 10sec and find out instantly over email.
      • comocomo, on 05/18/2008, -1/+0or AIM, or Telephone.

        ***** a paper airplane would work in many situations.
      • Serial0Hacker, on 05/18/2008, -2/+0But you can't punch an employee over Email, Especially if the server is down because he keep looking at porn on the Server.
  • chakan2, on 05/18/2008, -3/+108I want to know what % has never sent snail mail. I'm betting that's getting higher now.
    • MarioWhereRu, on 05/18/2008, -4/+2does gamefly or netflix count?
    • Anonchrist, on 05/18/2008, -1/+1I just mail a package for the first time two days ago...
      • isaactwito, on 05/18/2008, -0/+20And soon you'll also learn how to conjugate in the past tense.
      • Maver1c, on 05/18/2008, -0/+5Don't bet on it.
    • Tipperzack, on 05/18/2008, -0/+2The mail services are most like to be increasing. Due to internet packages and items shipped.
    • zspeed78, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1I think he meant sent an actual piece of mail out of person reasons. Paying your bills shouldnt count. I dont think Ive written a letter and mailed it, EVER in 23 years. I guess mailing paperwork with signatures should still count since you could somehow avoid that through the internet if you tried hard enough.
  • Bologner, on 05/18/2008, -10/+6And this is important why?
    • punkcat, on 05/18/2008, -0/+6its not.
      but i'll take it back if someone ever cures cancer from reading digg commentary.
    • desertDenizen, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1Seriously?
  • Shaman760, on 05/18/2008, -10/+94They all live in West Virginia.
    • apophenic, on 05/18/2008, -1/+16Most likely, since that's the poorest state in the whole country, and it's right in the heart of Appalachia.

      Not for the stupid political reasons you think, though!
      • Shaman760, on 05/18/2008, -1/+3What is this "stupid political reason" you speak of?....elaborate. Please.
        • apophenic, on 05/18/2008, -0/+2I do not believe that you were not making fun of Hillary supporters.
        • darienphoenix, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1They're not Hillary supporters, they're just racist, and won't vote for a black man.
      • Barakolypse, on 05/18/2008, -0/+0Yea because 20% of America's population is in WV... dumbass.
    • Psi57, on 05/18/2008, -0/+7"I've had enough of Hussseeeinn!"
    • kmcippant, on 05/18/2008, -0/+9I'd believe that! My grandparents live in West Virginia and we were there for Christmas a couple years ago when I was in still in college. My grades came out when we were there and I had the hardest time connecting to the internet to see them. My dad couldn't get enough of a signal to use his blackberry and my grandparents' phone line used pulse dialing (like with a rotary phone) and the modem dialed too fast for it to work. So, I had to click "connect" on the computer, and my dad in the other room would dial the number for the internet slowly on the phone. It was so ghetto, but we finally got connected.
    • Archer007, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogit ...
  • VinnieDaMac, on 05/18/2008, -13/+6Coincidentally, a large portion of those people are also Clinton or McCain supporters.
  • R0l0, on 05/18/2008, -12/+3but how many of those 20% voted for Ron Paul?
  • CC440, on 05/18/2008, -1/+22This is possible if you think of the fact that comparitavely few people over the age of 65 own a computer. A minority of the group that has a computer in this age range has high speed internet, or even internet at all. I think it's possible.
    • Soxxers, on 05/18/2008, -0/+0Actually, all of the people that I know who are over 65 and own a computer, also have internet access and know how to send email, and create a text document of some sort. (Hm, now that I think about it, I can't name a single person, of any age, that I know, who has a computer, but doesn't have internet access.) But, the older group who are computer users are also the ones that keep active in organizations that are not age related. They're the 65+ people that you meet and say "No way! I would have never guessed that you're 70!" I think the differences in the older groups is not only education level, but mindset. You don't start getting old until you start acting old.

      Anyway, that just my take on it.
  • talonstriker, on 05/18/2008, -1/+64They have no idea what they're missing. If they just got an email account, they'd be getting easy money from Nigerian Princes and the British Lottery.
  • apophenic, on 05/18/2008, -13/+10Who even uses e-mail anymore?
    • uziko, on 05/18/2008, -9/+3i've never emailed any of my friends, it's all about myspace now
      • sevenalive, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1Your an idiot. Myspace messages are private messages aka a form of EMAIL. It is retarded to use that site to do any form of communication.
  • scarz99, on 05/18/2008, -6/+1FAIL
  • Startemus, on 05/18/2008, -4/+20Ever hear of Digg? Yeah... that's what a shovel's for.
  • ShellShock11, on 05/18/2008, -7/+220% of Americans also wear adult diapers, if you catch my drift...
  • doubledmateo, on 05/18/2008, -6/+2Honestly, what percentage of email is just a wast of time anyways. Working for an ISP and helping people with their Email, I'd say most people really don't need it. They mainly seem to use it to send stupid inspirational stories back and forth to each other, or try to cram 70M worth of photos into a single email. The people without email aren't necessarily any more ignorant than the rest of us. Could be they just don't have a need for it.
  • albinorhino101, on 05/18/2008, -5/+6880% of digg has never been laid
    • hockeyfighter09, on 05/18/2008, -1/+2thats for true.
    • GreenLynx, on 05/18/2008, -1/+2I don't think it counts if you pay for it...
    • Anonchrist, on 05/18/2008, -1/+2So, the other 20% of us need to make up for everyone at home wanking it right now.
    • manogamez, on 05/18/2008, -0/+3That's funny 'cause 80% of digg also said they would give up sex for the internet.
    • mossblaser, on 05/18/2008, -1/+2Though 80% of digg is 14 now it seems. Come on - once tech site, now a lolcat site.
  • theysayjump, on 05/18/2008, -5/+19Considering more than 37,000,000 people in this country live "in poverty", I'm surprised the number isn't higher.
    • unusualbob, on 05/18/2008, -0/+7Well that would account for about 12% (37 miilion / current US Population 304 Million) of the total 18% so it may be that the rest are just stubborn old people.

      I try to encourage older people to use the internet to become informed of the world, just tell them its easy to check stocks there and most are interested.
    • mousky, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1Which definition of "poverty" is that? The one where people own their house, have at least one car, one TV, one DVD player and also own a microwave?
  • churchwin88, on 05/18/2008, -3/+1Amazing...
    • quiksliver, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1my guess is the keyword "households" meaning more than one person
  • Mattwdj, on 05/18/2008, -13/+27Coincidentally, 98% of West Virginians don't have internet, however, 65% are inbred.
    • Jus7in, on 05/18/2008, -1/+5I think you're underestimating the inbred numbers.
  • JerodSlay, on 05/18/2008, -1/+14I think it's a bit scewed because it was a phone survey. That covers a lot of houses, but almost none of the "millennials." These are young adults currently 18-24(ish) who don't have a land line. It is still a big number.

    My new mission in life is to get my grandma to send me an e-mail and type something in open office.
    • doubledmateo, on 05/18/2008, -6/+4Why is that your mission? Technology doesn't always make a person's life easier, and she may be totally satisfied with what she has.
      • CiDaemon, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1Conversely, having never tried it she may not know what she's missing. Being introduced to new technology may certainly make a person's like easier, and certainly can't hurt. Just because I'm satisfied with the car I own doesn't mean I would test-drive a Ferrari.
    • ellealle, on 05/18/2008, -0/+2Exactly...having a phone survey to assess internet access doesn't make much sense...not just for the "millenial" factor, but all of the households who are too poor to afford even a phone, let alone the internet
      • Squidwalk, on 05/19/2008, -0/+1Right! If you need to choose one phone, you choose a cell phone. I don't have so much extra cash to throw around that I can afford a land-line phone on top of my cell. I can't think of anyone under 30 now that has a land-line phone. They're excluding a huge amount of the population with their faulty study practices.
    • tiuk, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1A few years ago my grandma asked me to pick out a computer for her. She does Office stuff, plays cards online, emails relatives, etc. She decided on her own that she wanted to do this.

      She's awesome.
  • PolarBearCa, on 05/18/2008, -1/+41I'm puzzled why this is a surprise.

    There are a small number of people who don't have telephones, or televisions, or cars. It may be for religious reasons, or because they live someplace that certain technologies aren't really viable, or they can't afford it.

    Half are over 65. More than half don't have much education. That says to me that poor people and old people aren't terribly motivated to adopt technology they would not be able to use otherwise.

    It's all how you look at it... we're still pretty early in the "information age". How many people had cars less than 15 years after the appearance of the automobile? How many had electricity so fast? How many people still used party lines for rural phone service into the 80s?

    The fact that more than 80% of people HAVE sent email, and more than 70% of households have internet access is pretty impressive. The reverse (18% haven't) is only a surprise to those who assume everyone has and don't think outside their neighbourhood.
    • theRIAA, on 05/18/2008, -1/+1very true.

      *spills red juice on favorite white ******...oh hell no
  • Florian, on 05/18/2008, -0/+7I'm surprised it's only 20%. What percent of the WORLD population hasn't sent an email? Probably something like 90%.
    • mousky, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1Don't be so sure. While a text message may not technically be an email, plenty of people in some of the poorest areas in the world have sent a text message via their cheap cell phone. You would be amazed where you can get cellphone coverage.
  • Papajohn56, on 05/18/2008, -7/+44Digg users: Claiming to love the poor when Obama talks about them, yet mocking them everywhere else.
    • kh99, on 05/18/2008, -7/+8Digg users: relating every story to the presidential race, then complaining how every story is about the presidential race.
    • chaosium, on 05/18/2008, -7/+3Ron Paul fans and libertarian bootstrappers- ***** the poor 24/7 with no pretense of giving a *****.
    • Anonchrist, on 05/18/2008, -1/+6Who is mocking the poor? Most of the comments that I see here are saying that people do not have computers because they are too old to want to learn how to use them or pointing out that the poverty is a barrier.

      BTW, even if there are a few people that are mocking the poor that does not mean they support Obama or that they support Obama for his policies that help the poor.

      PS. Your message is endorsing Obama by stating that he is looking out for the poor even when his supporters are not
      • Papajohn56, on 05/18/2008, -1/+1Some of the comments mock them or are patronizing them by "unbelievable!", etc. It's a negative for Obama when his supporters are hypocrites.
    • Jus7in, on 05/18/2008, -3/+2I couldn't care less about the poor, or Obama. Not all members of Digg are sheep.
    • manogamez, on 05/18/2008, -2/+2What do you think you're doing? We don't need any of your 'other perspective' crap around here.
  • Jesse, on 05/18/2008, -1/+13Yeah, it's called "poverty".
    • MattBD, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1I don't know, an Internet connection works out cheaper than buying a newspaper every day and you can get the same news. Obviously there's the cost of the computer as well though, but that's where things like the gPC can help.
      • Jesse, on 05/19/2008, -0/+1We're not talking about people who read a newspaper before going to work. We're talking about people who use a newspaper as a ***** blanket. I don't think you "get" what poverty is.
  • odsae, on 05/18/2008, -1/+2Should it not be have instead of has? Can has cake please?
    • foofoobee, on 05/18/2008, -0/+2No, it's correct as it is. If it said "20% of U.S. citizens", it would be 'have'. But "20% of the U.S." is a singular entity - a chunk. What it's really missing is a "the". Not like any of these grammar rules ever really matter on Digg.
  • comocomo, on 05/18/2008, -9/+3i'm 15 and i've almost never used email except school related things.

    email is stupid in the generation of myspace messages and AIM. not to mention cell phones and text messages.

    really. email is kinda weak.
    • MarioWhereRu, on 05/18/2008, -1/+2Genius of the year award.
    • charlietuna, on 05/18/2008, -0/+3Obviously you never write anything that would have any value an hour from now. Ink must truly be a foreign substance to you.
    • Serial0Hacker, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1Myspace messages are just a piss poor version of Email.
    • Atomic1fire, on 05/18/2008, -1/+5Your fifteen....
      Getting a job?
      I'm sure your boss would prefer emailing you about anything that's important.or calling you.
      Cellphones are more of a distraction towards young people that have too many features to be called a tool.
    • bjstiktrix, on 05/18/2008, -1/+3It will become more useful when you get a job and start paying for things (other than with your $5 allowance).
    • Jesse, on 05/18/2008, -0/+3Oh wait, he added "really" at the end. I guess that means he's right.
    • Arnos, on 05/18/2008, -0/+2And that's why you'll have a long healthy career in the food services industries
    • po43292, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1Email is serious business.
  • damien6669, on 05/18/2008, -1/+5And what percentage of the US is illiterate?

    “The NALS found a total of 21-23 percent - or 40-44 million - of the
    191 million American adults (defined as age 16 or older) at Level 1,
    the lowest literacy level.”
    • AManWithNoName, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1Which means, there's about 3-5% there that have sent emails, but are illiterate?

      P.S. I know that's not how percentages work,so pull the stick out of your ass and sit down.
    • novemberdream07, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1how do you think chatspeak came about hokt on foniks workt for me!
    • desertDenizen, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1Versus 98% literacy in Cuba. Shameful.
  • GDOG5, on 05/18/2008, -1/+12My god, how do these people sleep at night?
    • iChaz, on 05/18/2008, -0/+1At their age, it's definitely not an issue.
    • Phocion55, on 05/18/2008, -0/+8Easily, really - nothing on the Interwebs to keep them up.
    • talonstriker, on 05/18/2008, -0/+12Pretty soundly, I would think. Remember these people likely haven't seen tubgirl and 2girls1cup.
  • STPZ, on 05/18/2008, -1/+8Hey what about those without phones?....seems disenfranchising; elitist internetors
  • Breeder18, on 05/18/2008, -3/+9two words... OLD PEOPLE
  • XoexohexoX, on 05/18/2008, -0/+6"The future is here, it just isn't evenly distributed" - William Gibson
  • kirakun, on 05/18/2008, -0/+3Instead, they send internets.
  • paulmer2003, on 05/18/2008, -3/+2Get with it, 20%.
  • painperdu, on 05/18/2008, -1/+31"A recent phone survey of U.S. households by Parks found 20 million households are without Internet access . . ."

    That's odd becuase a recent email survey of US households found 20 million households are without phone access.
  • antdude, on 05/18/2008, -2/+3My mom doesn't even use a computer and Internet. I have a coworker (50+ years old) who works for a computer company and doesn't have Internet at home. Crazy.
  • uberpsycho, on 05/18/2008, -0/+3My father is one of those 20%....
  • Adelhas, on 05/18/2008, -8/+9They don't need the internets. In those States, they use teh "prayer" instead.
    • Anonchrist, on 05/18/2008, -4/+2Who need s facts when you have fiction to keep you informed?
  • mosholu, on 05/18/2008, -2/+9good for them, maybe they have found better things to do with their free time
  • HomieG6189, on 05/18/2008, -0/+6Amish people don't count.
  • bjstiktrix, on 05/18/2008, -1/+5I'm confused. I didn't think that West Virginia made up 20% of the U.S. population...
  • AManWithNoName, on 05/18/2008, -0/+2You mean, people actually participate in phone surveys?
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