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- Hickeroar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22Bull... I've had two programming interviews and one IT/management interview based on being found in an ATS...
- ReevesL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17ATS is actually very relevant as it allows head hunters to do keyword searches for resumes. While I agree that if you are simply blasting your skill set out via Monster you're not going to be getting a high-end job... if you're getting tapped by head hunters you could be in any income bracket.
- heinousjay, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18The English language doesn't have marks anyway, so none of it actually matters.
Anyone who rejects my resume for not including accents is too pedantic for me to accept them as an employer. - RexKwando, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12This article has good information ONLY for IT. It could adversely affect your chances at non-IT jobs if implemented! Be careful!
- billybob476, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Here in "Central Canada" (Ontario and Quebec), we tend to call it a CV more often then a resume.
- beebware, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9You'll find in medium to large size companies, the HR department doesn't actually know what the keywords mean themselves - all they know is the IT department has asked them to find someone that has, for example, "3 years HTML experience". If you've put "I have three years experience in writing in HyperText Markup Language" then HR will think "No experience in HTML, so reject the CV and save the IT manager time". Keywords are needed!
- FrostyFire, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14How about 1 way to improve your resumé, spell the ***** word correctly! The CORRECT spelling is 'resumé'! If it was résumé, it would be pronounced "ray-zume-may". There's an accent on the last e for a damn reason.
- Spuby, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12I'm so bored by these "10 ways, 10 best ..." posts. Why can't there be 9 or 11? OR more simple "Ways to tweak your resume...". Because it's marketing, people click for digits, they like lists and images.
- craigtheguru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8While personally I'm a fan on the one page resume, I'm glad that the article's exception was that it was OK to do a two pager. I've had people apply for jobs with practically their life history on 5 pages or so and that is way over the top! It only indicates that the candidate lacks discipline and a critical eye.
- vhold, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Top 10 should seriously be one of the new digg categories.
- Dust3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5wasnt working for me... so here is the mirror:
http://www.duggmirror.com/tech_news/10_Ways_to_Tweak_Your_Tech_R_sum/ - Hickeroar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The last three interviews i've had were all finds by keyword on an ATS.
- rastan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5FTFA:
"A study released May 31 by Spherion Pacific Enterprises, a recruiting and staffing firm based in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., found that nearly half of the U.S. IT work force plans to change jobs in the next year."
No, really? A study released by a staffing firm said this? That's amazing! Almost as amazing as that Microsoft study that said Windows is better! - redfan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5While this article was IT-specific, some of the comments are still useful to people looking for technical jobs in general. Although some of them are kind of dumb, like "don't spend too much time on your resume". What? It's kind of an important document.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Well ***** ME!! Everyone I've ever talked to about resume writing has given conflicting advice. Somehow I have to read a recruiter's mind and conform to their idea of a good resume without knowing a damn thing about them. No wonder there are so many recruiting companies around these days. Let them do the hard work for me. I have a diploma in computer networking not job hunting
- twollamalove, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I hate to be the dick who informs you of this. but, the reason the only calls you've ever gotten have been from an ATS service is because every place that actually reads resumes has just thrown your novel in the trash can.
- danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5As long as you have all of the most important stuff on the first page I agree. I regularly represent our company at recruiting fairs. Often I see 2-3 page resumes, but I have to dig to find the important stuff. Keep your objective, skills, education, and most recent experience on the front page.
- danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6My father in law can never get a job because every time he sees a Job he likes he spends 3 weeks customizing his resume for the position. By the time he submits it the position has been filled. If it takes you longer the 4 hours to write a good cover letter, and customize you resume you are doing something wrong.
- jasnmb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5IMO - a Summary section of your skills is better than an Objective section at the top.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"An easy way to edit a sentence that includes a personal pronoun is to simply drop the pronoun, changing "I used Java to implement a redesign" to "Used Java to implement a redesign.""
I hate that. I can't belive that is the "proper" way to write a sentence in a resume. It sounds like silence of the lambs - "It uses java to implement a redesign, or it gets the hose again". Writing resumes sucks - bunch of stupid pointless rules. - Hickeroar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It was said at one time that you should keep it to 1 page. Someone told me that when i was originally putting mine together. After trying to cram it for a couple hours i just said "screw it" and went to multiple pages. It hasn't hurt me one bit.
- vhold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Try writing a resume the way you describe, it becomes insanely repetitive.
I blahed this
I blahed that
I blahed this
.. ad nauseum
I once saw a person choose a baffling alternative.. they referred to themselves in the 3rd person
George did this.... George is a team player.. George.. .etc.. very weird. - Hickeroar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I love the point about the 1 page resume. At one time i think people wanted to get all they could within one page/the shortest time. Now no one cares. They want to know all of what you have experience in and how much of it. People simply cannot fit an extensive career on one page. Mine is three pages long...and i'm almost 25. I can't imagine how long it will be in 20 years.
- anon52, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@vhold -
I've worked as a subcontractor on many commercial and gov't projects. One of the things that we are required to do by the prime contractor is to rewrite our resumes to reflect our experience vis-a-vis their project(s). Also, to render it into the third-person. This is because ten to hundreds of these resumes will be combined into a larger proposal. Actually, he likes thinking of himself in the third person... - CharlesDarwin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You can't have 9 ways--Step into my office!
- danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah if you put on your resume where you worked in High School there is a problem.
- inkhead, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6find me somebody working at yahoo, or google who had more than a 1 page resume. it's about 2% of all the people there. hardly anyone. The people with 1 page resumes are more confident about their skill sets and therefore usually don't write long resumes, because when they do get interviewed they usually pass with flying colors.
- danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3In the past it was true because you had a person sitting their sorting hundreds of resumes. Now it is all scanned and sorted against.
- danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3While that is the proper order for an experienced IT professional it is not for many other fields. Objectives are important at certain positions others not so much. For someone straight out of college education should be placed above experience since likely they are laking experience and applying for an entry level position.
- TRexALot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+46 pages from a self-proclaimed "datagod"????
That better be some pulitzer prize-winning material or else that 6-page scroll is going in the trash.
Keep it simple--------Isn't that what makes a good datagod? - MoeDrippins, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The computer may scan it, but when it hits my desk (as all that are coming to work in my group do), it goes right in the trash bin.
- terrab0t, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Underlying all of those significances is the fact that 10 is the number of digits on both our hands or feet. This is why so many number systems around the world independently ended up being base 10.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
- vhold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think it totally depends on how many years of experience you have. Adding more pages and putting like 15 line items under each job you held for 5 months to me is a red flag to me.
The 1 page rule of thumb made sense when the majority of people seeking resume advice were new to the sector. - wadelindsey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@nicc - dude, he was just answering your question....
- davidkain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2From a technical writing point of view, all those rules are put in place to cut down on non-relevant information so as to present important, relevant data in a streamlined and clean manner. Don't forget that up until relatively recently, parsing resumes was done by humans rather than search algorithms. This is also the same reason why the "one page resume" used to be such an important rule. Someone going through resumes just wouldn't take the time to look at a second page.
- olorinpc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It also has to do with the fact that most resumes in IT are sent electronically. 2 pages of a pdf or .doc resume just means scrolling a little more. Before the theory was that the person would have to flip an additional page and not bother etc.
- bloodylip, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I wish headhunters would try to put me into coding positions. Because I worked through college in tech support, that's all they want to give me a chance to do.
- zaren, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5No kidding. Every time I went and did research on how to make my resume more effective, I ggot conflicting information. Finally, I gave up. I have a single format for the resumes I send out, and a default cover letter that just gets a line or two changed as nessicary. All of the hunting and job hunt sites get to run whatever they want, but I've given up tailoring my resume to suit demands that I can't possibly know.
- alexr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I've always kept my resume to one page. All the skills you've acquired over the years can be listed in a single paragraph. I only list my most relevant recent experience and keep it to a page. Most reviewers won't even look past the first page. As part of the interview process at our company, I often don't.
Detailed experience should go in a CV. - dan90251, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Here in the UK it's a CV (Curriculum Vitae), glad I can break the 1 page rule though.
- grunherz5x5, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I have to quote Chris Knight in "Real Genius":
"When you're smart, people need you."
Just show 'em you're smart. - heinousjay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@enzomedici
With an attitude like you're displaying, you wouldn't make it through my interview at all. I'd cut you in about three sentences. I'd let you talk for a while, and depending on how much you cheesed me, I would possibly make you think it went well, but you'd have no chance.
The reason I tell you this is that if you go into an interview with an entitled attitude and nothing to back it up, there aren't too many people who will hire you. - enzomedici, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2
Most companies are not looking for real kick as speople, they are looking for drones. They just want a Unix, Java, Oracle or other IT person. They don't really ascertain whether or not one candidate has the skills to implement processes, procedures or new code that can save the company millions. If so, they wouldn't have any set salary range.
Companies should pay a person based on performance. If I can come in and save you a million, 70k's not cuttin' it so stop posting ***** jobs with a lame salary range.
Most recruiters don't have a clue anyway so just drop in all the buzzwords you want, it's not like they understand any of them or actually read your resume. lol
Resume: "I managed the code development for an xyz application that ran on a mainframe."
Recruiter: We have a job for mainframe systems analyst, are you interested? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3you don't fax a resume to "stand out"... If I got a resume faxed to me I would put it in the trash can or at least at the bottom of the pile of people who actually wanted the job enough to stop by and drop off a copy on good print paper. Most of the things on here ok, yeah I can see, but a few of them, if you do most people will not even look at your resume because you did it.
- tek1024, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@vhold
George is havening a tough time getting a job? - rick2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Don't make it personal"
umm i think employers DO care about what your intrested in.. why would you want to employ a guy who doesn't leave the house, no intrests, no goals in life, no friends etc.. Wouldn't you rather employ a guy who is intrested in hobby's or sports or socializing etc?? he is bound to be more happy than the guy who sits at home all day! - MarkMMullin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You have to be kidding - at that price point, you're talking about people who are operating at strategic decision making levels - sure you want to be able to parse the data quickly to determine if it merits further review or not, but that said - anyone can look good on one page where they imply more than they explicitly demonstrate. The only resume in the valley that would honestly fly at a single page with no other data is for a known individual - if you're good, but unknown, you need to have enough data to convince the reader you are a do-er, not a talker - the rule I usually give people is make sure each page makes them want to read the next one.
- itzac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The part about not using word templates is BS. If you're applying to an IT job and you can't figure out how to add a section to a word template, you have bigger problems than a crappy resume. I've been using a resume based on the Elegant template for 8 years and have always gotten good feedback on it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That would be true if there was no such thing as HR. Sadly, unless you get head hunted, HR often wont call the smart people back because they don't understand them, or thier dislike for doing things the "normal" way. Unless you obey their rules and submit things properly, you'll often get the circular file - as I often do ;)
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