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- Sfweb, on 09/29/2009, -4/+30You can always trust Google to come out with quality stuff!
- Blozout, on 09/29/2009, -2/+19Actually the situation between Cyanogen and Google has been resolved. Google never had an issue with custom ROM's, just the bundling of their proprietary applications (which is still rather silly). Here is a statement clarifying the matter issued directly from Cyanogen 2 days ago:
"The current state..
The last few days have been difficult. What has become clear now is that the Android Open Source Project is a framework. It’s licensed in such a way so that anyone can take it, modify it to their needs, and redistribute it as they please. Android belongs to everyone. This also means that big companies likes Google, HTC, Motorola, and whomever else can add their own pieces to it and share these pieces under whatever license they choose.
I’ve made lots of changes myself to the AOSP code, and added in code from lots of others. Building a better Droid, right?
The issue that’s raised is the redistribution of Google’s proprietary applications like Maps, GTalk, Market, and YouTube. These are not part of the open source project and are only part of “Google Experience” devices. They are Google’s intellectual property and I intend to respect that. I will no longer be distributing these applications as part of CyanogenMod. But it’s OK. None of the go-fast stuff that I do involves any of this stuff anyway. We need these applications though, because we all rely so heavily on their functionality. I’d love for Google to hand over the keys to the kingdom and let us all have it for free, but that’s not going to happen. And who can blame them?
There are lots of things we can do as end-users and modders, though, without violating anyones rights. Most importantly, we are entitled to back up our software. Since I don’t work with any of these closed source applications directly, what I intend to do is simply ship the next version of CyanogenMod as a “bare bones” ROM. You’ll be able to make calls, MMS, take photos, etc. In order to get our beloved Google sync and applications back, you’ll need to make a backup first. I’m working on an application that will do this for you.
The idea is that you’ll be able to Google-ify your CyanogenMod installation, with the applications and files that shipped on YOUR device already. Or, you can just use the basic ROM if you want. It will be perfectly functional if you don’t use the Google parts. I will include an alternative app store (SlideMe, or AndAppStore, not decided yet) with the basic ROM so that you can get your applications in case you don’t have a Google Experience device.
I’ll have more updates soon as I get all the code hammered out.
Thanks for all the support thru all of this."
-http://www.cyanogenmod.com/home/the-current-state - tnoy, on 09/29/2009, -1/+15I didn't know that digging a story required someone to make a comment.
- geoken, on 09/29/2009, -0/+9I'm going to try it out only because I'm interested to see what a bag of wank looks like.
- Spanq, on 09/29/2009, -0/+9Fix the ***** native POP/IMAP e-mail application already. Holy *****. It's been a year and this POS still can't delete from the trash nor mark items as read. Yes, I know I can get K-9 or pipe POP through G-Mail, but I'm not sure how Google managed to ***** this up. Blackberry OS can do it. Palm can do it. Windows Mobile can do it. Android, on its own, still can't.
- Rivetgeek, on 09/29/2009, -1/+9"If you're using legacy devices such as the G1 and the Magic"
uh, the magic is also known as the mytouch and it is NOT a legacy device. - Nerden, on 09/29/2009, -0/+8I want a new bluetooth stack before all this stuff, the one on android currently is a bag of wank.
- CrazedLeper, on 09/29/2009, -0/+6That has, so far, been true and all without being evil. So far.
- bigbluemachine, on 09/29/2009, -0/+5OR maybe the bury part of the algorithm is significantly lower than the diggs?
What part of the formula only uses comments plus diggs hmm?
or is it more fun to make up your own rhyme and reason and apply those instead of facts?
Who/what was it again that's been busted? - Zuggy, on 09/29/2009, -0/+5VPN is a nice move for trying to attack the Blackberry business market.
- darkmuck, on 09/29/2009, -0/+5You can get this now (natively) on Windows Mobile 6.1
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc440255.a ...
Alternatively, there is software available to do this:
Symantec Mobile VPN, Bluefire VPN, etc. - 56killa, on 09/29/2009, -1/+5Corporate VPN.
Someone want to partake in a project with me in which we take my HTC Touch Pro and get android running on it?
PLEASE? - busterbros, on 09/29/2009, -0/+3That battery feature looks great, I'd love to have something like that on my WinMo phone.
- eanbowman, on 09/29/2009, -0/+31. Find bag
2. Wank
3. ?????
4. PROFIT! - jerwarren, on 09/29/2009, -0/+3actually, I'm running Donut on my Dream right now. HTC has firmware update images for the ADP1 now, which is a Dream.
Google did something kind of cool to support the Dream: the big text-to-speech data files have been separated out for the Dream build, and put into the Android Marketplace. The first time you try to turn on text-to-speech, it initiates a download of the required data files form the market and saves them to your SD card.
This was done only for the Dream. Why would the go to the effort to set this up this way if they're not actually going to push out updates to Dreams? - 56killa, on 09/29/2009, -0/+30.o you sir have made my day
- davidron, on 09/30/2009, -0/+3... and the G1 is only about a year old.
- McPOW, on 09/30/2009, -0/+3The reason they did it was because they want to retain control of their Google brand apps in order to keep control over the platform when it comes to the handset manufacturers. Right now, to get those apps on your phone, you have to submit your phone to a rigorous approval process where Google gets to make some demands about the quality of your product, and most likely also to collect some licensing fees.
That part is actually pretty reasonable. C&D'ing a non profit mod was pretty stupid and counterproductive though, they could just as easily have granted a "free distribution for free community mods" license to these guys and saved themselves a bunch of bad press. Very bad biz move on their part.
But yes, now that Cyanogen and the others at XDA are working on a process to have the Google apps scraped off your current rom and installed after you move to a modded rom pretty much resolves this problem. - XtraWhite, on 09/29/2009, -0/+2I'm loving my Andriod Phone now so much. This is all good news on improving what is already a great product! LOVE IT!
- techdever, on 09/29/2009, -0/+23. looks like an android in a microwave oven
- jerwarren, on 09/29/2009, -0/+2cite: http://developer.htc.com/adp.html
You'll notice the 'dream' in the filenames. - UrineEngineer, on 09/29/2009, -0/+2Anyone know a good place to find the best offers on Android phones/plans?
- davidron, on 09/30/2009, -1/+3Interestingly, the battery life is great. I don't have any background apps that use GPS, so I believe that helps.
How are those background apps working out for you? - Blozout, on 09/29/2009, -0/+2I understand what you're saying but it's still an assertion rather then a fact. I'm not trying to pick a fight by any means, but we really don't know that Google had/has any intentions of ultimately trying to kill custom ROMs. I would think(or at least hope), that Google is savvy and intelligent enough to realize that they would lose credibility and ultimately profits because developers and other members of the android community may become disillusioned with their antics. For example, the uproar that occurred over this matter in such a short period of time and how quickly Google worked with Cyanogen to resolve the situation.
Also - Is it possible that they want to stop the bundling of their proprietary applications to set an early precedent because they are worried about developers altering them(the apps) specifically? (I'm asking that as a question not to make a statement).
I think with regard to the cease and desist, being that it is a legal document, there is certain verbage necessary to ensure that it will hold up in a court of law. Much of it is standard and broad enough to cover any possible loopholes.
I guess we won't really know what's going to happen until it eventually does, I think we shouldn't jump to conclusions just yet. - davidron, on 09/30/2009, -3/+5Agreed. So glad they finally got Google Voice on my G1, a keyboard, the ability to load my own personal apps onto it, vorbis support, a decent camera with an auto-focus good enough to read bar codes, video recording, development tools that support refactoring, bluetooth stereo audio, a replaceable battery, a compass, a standard mini-usb port, and expandable memory.
Oh wait, the G1 had those first? - admdrew, on 09/30/2009, -1/+3heh, mms
- ylikone, on 09/29/2009, -0/+2So will donut actually run on older google phones? Like HTC Dream?
- greevar, on 09/29/2009, -0/+1donut.... *drool*
- Blozout, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1Thank you for that explanation. Appreciated.
- Dustin00, on 09/29/2009, -0/+1Beta. Web. Email.
- raitchison, on 09/29/2009, -1/+2I'm well aware of the details of the situation, and the workaround that Cyanogen is exploring.
Google is being disingenuous in saying it has no problem with custom ROMs as long as people don't redistribute their proprietary components because they are well aware that those components are so integral to the function of any Android based phone that almost nobody would use any custom ROM without key features like the market or contacts sync.
Since the key apps/features are available free on every Android device released or announced to date Cyanogen wasn't providing anything to users that they didn't already have, I can't think of any argument that they were being "harmed" in any way, Google has claimed that they were harmed but have offered nothing in the way of an explanation of that claim.
It's apparent to me that Google had only one possible reason for taking the action they did, to cripple the functionality of custom ROMs to the point where they would be effectively unusable, to kill them. Which makes me suspect that they will be fighting against the workaround that Cyanogen is developing using technological or legal (or both) tactics to do so.
Add to all of this that while Google is certainly legally within their rights to take such action, it flies in the fact of the spirit of the "openness" we were promised with Android, not to mention their own "don't be evil" motto. - davidron, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1What about supporting WPA2 Enterprise. The OS already supports it, but the interface doesn't unless you hack the phone. Funny, it would cut down on a bunch of data and increase transfer speed for users at work, so it's a no-brainer for T-Mobile and for Google.
- agarc, on 09/29/2009, -0/+1Works on mine...
- RyeBrye, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1Or if you are one of the many many who have hacked their G1's and replaced it with the developer bootloader - you can also get that there.
- RyeBrye, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1the stack isn't the problem, the api's are the problem.
the stack is built on BlueZ ffs. - agarc, on 09/29/2009, -0/+1It keeps getting better and better! :)
- ehaugan, on 09/30/2009, -1/+1Funny, I had a G1 back in January and I ditched it because of poor battery life, among other things. I did a lot of research online and the G1 seems to be plagued with battery issues. No need for backgrounding apps here, I saw how deathly slow my G1 was when I had that ability.
- AndrewDB, on 09/30/2009, -1/+1I actually have a developer phone, thanks though. :)
- AndrewDB, on 09/30/2009, -2/+2If you're one of the few who actually have a developer phone (like me), you can get the developer update here: http://developer.htc.com/adp.html
I'm updating my phone as we speak. :)
Cannot wait. - jediknight1234, on 09/29/2009, -2/+1not the dream, sucks I know
- ehaugan, on 09/30/2009, -3/+1How's that battery working out for ya?
- ehaugan, on 09/30/2009, -7/+2Just like Android usually is....12 months behind the iPhone.....
- raitchison, on 09/29/2009, -9/+3Unless you want to run a custom ROM such as Cyanogen in which case Google has two words for you: Eat *****
- detwiljp, on 09/29/2009, -7/+1Nice upgrade but I know now why Google didn't make a big deal out of it. While there are some new features that are awesome some of them seem to be simply playing catch up to the iphones new OS release. If google made a big deal about it then they would just look like Microsoft who copies Apples ideas and then pretends like they came up with it all by themselves. Good job by Google in adding some great new features (some already on iphone some not) without making the update out to be a bunch of Apple Catch Ups.
- eanbowman, on 09/29/2009, -7/+1But will it blend...
... with my cheap chinaphone, I mean. Star C6000 using an MT6235 with only 4MB usable RAM in Java, I think not. :| - antoniuk, on 09/29/2009, -21/+4digg = google's bitch
- Repeater2000, on 09/29/2009, -22/+3100+ Diggs
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