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- mal1964, on 10/11/2007, -4/+57I wasn't there so I don't know
- newyawker, on 10/23/2007, -7/+52Who or what created the higher power then?
- codyman, on 10/23/2007, -33/+76the thing that baffles me is what was what existed before this "bang"... like how was that hydrogen or whatever that created the bang, created? Something cannot be made from nothing, so I wonder what exactly created the basic elements to get things going... no simple feat (figuring this out, i'm sure)... but this is kinda why I believe in a higher power outside of our "universe" that had to incite all of this madness....
- juggadore, on 10/11/2007, -5/+46big bang? pics or it didnt happen.
- BadAstronomer, on 10/11/2007, -5/+4110001110101, it's possible that our Universe will bounce back again; the new theories involving branes suggest that the acceleration is due to two different universes heading toward each other. :-) I'm a little hazy on how this works as well, but I plan on reading quite a bit over the next few weeks. This stuff is pretty cool and I'd like to write more about it.
- MightyTiny, on 10/11/2007, -12/+43Creationists don't take cowardly "pot shots?" Having debated creationists for more than a decade, I can say from experience that quoting scientists out of context to make them appear to say something completely opposite of what they were saying is very common among creationists, and every single chance at a cheap shot and distortion is taken; from spurious claims that evolution is atheistic dogma, to outright lies like "there are no transitional fossils". The entire creationist case is founded upon error, misconception, straw man arguments, selective reporting, and mud slinging tactics. I see nothing particularly honorable in any of that.
- Shaggy6ster, on 10/11/2007, -4/+30"believe it or not there are far more who believe in a creator then those that don't."
That makes you numerous, not right. The truth isn't decided by popular vote. - LucasKane, on 10/11/2007, -2/+27Mr. T once defeated Chuck Norris in a game of Tic-Tac-Toe. In retaliation, Chuck Norris invented racism.
- kazimir22, on 10/11/2007, -15/+40I do believe you just took "a cowardly pot shot". It really was a rather pathetic comeback...although being intelligent has never been a strong suit of creationists...see...you leave intelligence up to others...that may be the only thing you've gotten right so far
- clyde2801, on 10/11/2007, -1/+26Umm...the big foreplay?
Dinner and drinks?
Okay, my final answer is a 'friendly' neck and shoulder massage. - 10001110101, on 10/11/2007, -2/+25Interesting.. But why did the previous universe bounce back, and NOT accelerate into nothing as ours seems to be doing?
- jeff303, on 10/11/2007, -3/+24Who says there even had to BE a beginning? Why couldn't the universe just have always existed?
- obrysii, on 10/11/2007, -3/+22It should also be noted that even John Paul II believed that Genesis was merely a metaphor, and that science can show how God worked His wonders.
- Bluntman4000, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19Who created god?... Man!
- carpespasm, on 10/23/2007, -2/+19i was about to say you must have meant chuck norris, then i realized chuck norris doesn't lose checkers.
- miriclaire, on 10/11/2007, -3/+20In the paper, another universe existed before this one, and closed in on itself and bounced and made this one. So now that that is all cleared up, we can move immediately to figuring out what made the LAST universe.
- tdawson2012, on 10/11/2007, -3/+20Denying the enormous body of science that supports a unviserse without magic isn't cowardly?
- Amablue, on 10/23/2007, -2/+18I'm confused; your two sentences are contradictory.
- Sean23, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16Is that the only reason?
- mrkmrk, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15"What happened before the Big Bang?"
What's north of the north pole? - deathberry, on 10/23/2007, -1/+15This "higher power" you speak of would have to be at least as baffling as the Big Bang's origins. You would just be doing a simple shift from asking "What created the Big Bang?" to "What created the 'higher power?'", which isn't helpful at all.
- thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -4/+18Not really... This basically is saying that God built in a CTRL-ALT-DEL for the universe.
:-D - RussellDovey, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13Pictures of the big bang? Why, it just so happens that humans are more awesome than you realised:
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_mm.html - Calann, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13I, for one, am comfortable accepting that there are things that science cannot currently answer or may never be able to answer. I do not feel the need to explain the unknown with fantasy.
- Buckiller, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11The Chicken
- xerus, on 10/23/2007, -1/+11I guess nobody knows that the Vin Diesel facts came first, and then were popularized by Chuck Norris. I thought diggers knew the internet better than that...
- sabach, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9In related news, researchers have determined what the universe sounded like just before the Big Bang. They say it sounded very much like "Hey everybody, watch this. Uh oh, run!"
- defektiv, on 10/23/2007, -8/+17i like science.. it's the only thing that's going to get us out there finding new planets with new minerals to fuel our technologies to the next levels. just take 10 minutes on the hubble site and you'll see that, despite our rich and seemingly endless histories, what we've achieved so far is relatively insignificant compared to what is out there for our taking.
unfortunately, my next view here doesn't sit well with a lot of people. this is primarily so because the people who claim the same beliefs as me have so selfishly misconstrued what it actually is over the years. but i believe God and scientific discoveries can coincide with each other in beautiful harmony if people would just give up these notions that only one can be reality or truth.
that all being said, i think we should focus a lot less on our past and concentrate on our future. it's a lot more promising than the horrible paths we as human beings have taken to get here. - smurf22, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10There is no big bang, :enter Chuck Norris joke here:
- shirosamurai, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Actually, he used the correct spelling... kinda sucks for you, eh?
- ebloc, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the same thing as the Big Crunch hypothesis? And isn't there a decent amount of evidence that does not support it?
- TheSak, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Sure, it's a much better idea just to make ***** up.
- StateofMind09, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8What happened BEFORE what happened before the Big Bang?
Isn't this a never ending question? - andyrobo60, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9We only think our universe is going to keep accelerating, it may turn out that it will collapse and then bounce back again. Or maybe our universe's laws are set that it will continue to expand and this will be the last universe.
- redpixie, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11Just because more people believe in a myth, it does not make it a reality.
- VirtualCtor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9The current scientific theory is that time is a property of this universe that was created when the universe was created. Time has no meaning outside the universe or before the universe was created. It makes no sense to say that anything existed before time began.
- bIuebonics, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7i'm amazed you boiled it down to two propositions. you really need to get to the library and read. you might expand your knowledge and learn something.
- veskris, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7I hear Dyson makes them.
- thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Because that would be someone giving both Scientists and Creationists the middle finger. But based on Entropy, it seems to me that it can't have ALWAYS existed as the universe is a closed system.
- Sohosoutherner, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Meh, the way I always saw it was you have Earth, then a solar system outside it, and a galaxy outside it, and a universe outside that. I've kinda assumed that, following the pattern, there'd be something outside of the universe. The history channel's currently running a show called "The Universe", and one of the things they talked about was the theory of a Big Crunch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch). Perhaps if our universe really does end up condensing, another will just spawn from ours. This is why I find this kinda astrophysics stuff so fascinating. There's possibilities out the wazoo, and you could spend your life exploring them, if you wanted. Stuff dreams are made of.
- blackacre, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6"The only thing as ridiculous as saying that something can come from nothing is saying that it can't."--Heard that in metaphysics class, not sure who originally said it. Neither seems particularly easy to grasp.
- BlackOp, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6http://tinyurl.com/yo6yrn
- defektiv, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8actually i'm saying neither needs to be absolute truth. the assumption that only one IS leads to the division among people who might be able to help each other do great things if we all put our personal views aside and give EVERY theory and idea the opportunity to see itself through to the end.
i personally don't see any reason that some people can't believe in one thing and others another. it's when we start to develop this idea that we personally have the only 'valid' viewpoint that other people start to feel their own views are being challenged. then it just becomes a circus of folks trying to prove the other wrong instead of trying to find out what works.
i spent my childhood being told the end was near, but later also saw evidence in the same place the people telling me this 'truth' came from that there was no way possible to know that was true. yes, i believe God created man. that's my faith and faith by definition can and will never be proven or it's not faith anymore. but i also get excited when i hear about the universe and how it grows and breathes as well as the theories about how it started. and i don't discount a single one as invalid.
all i know for sure is that we're a spec in this universe and i can't see why God would create this huge universe if he just wanted us to stick around here and cram ideology down everyones throat and go to war and kill each other. there's some things we just weren't meant to understand. i say let the faithful have their faith, let the scientists have their beliefs and everyone work together to get into space.
i'm dying to see what's out there myself. - DigitAl56K, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7FTA: "Using this new math..."
Oh dear... ;) - bIuebonics, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6the universe isn't *based* on anything. science is our attempt to explain the universe.
- punterfpc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6You know what bothers me? The very definition of a (the) UNIverse is that it contains all thing. It is ONE (hence, uni...) thing - one place. I mean, how could a universe be inside something that could contain another universe? Maybe I'm being picky with the wording here, but... honestly, it has to end somewhere or it has to end nowhere. I like to think of it as ending nowhere because otherwise it would have to end somewhere - which would mean that that somewhere is, perhaps, the universe. I personally feel that THE universe never began, and it never ends... it just cycles like every single other thing that we know of! I know it's hard for us humans to think of something that just always existed, but, it's really the only way, I think. Because there can't be a "before the universe" because there must have been something there to contain what would be the universe (yes, a universe, because it would be the thing containing all other things). Think about it that way, if you like.
- ShaneMcDeath, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6But how did anything happen in the first place? Its seems weird that there is anything at all. *head explodes*
- spargett, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10No one needs to know your reasons for digging articles.
- BlackOp, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8In a quantum vacuum, stuff does come from nothing.
- jeff303, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Actually, a closed system would only make sense if there was NO beginning. A "creation" or big bang or whatever else would have created the initial matter in the universe. Thus the universe would not be a closed system in the thermodynamic sense (there would have been a matter exchange with the "outside" whatever we believe that to be).
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