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- Rhine23, on 10/12/2007, -9/+80Dugg for The Kinks, Pink Floyd, and the Numa Numa song all in one video.
- StephenChow, on 10/12/2007, -34/+4That guy needs to eat a green apple or something, I can't stand that click.
- gklitt, on 10/12/2007, -9/+32This made me cry. That's all I can say.
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -12/+17Hah. Puny human. Your mind is no match for even the weakest simulation of the total perspective vortex.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Perspective_Vortex - vizerei, on 10/12/2007, -19/+7This was posted on digg a few weeks ago. Diplicate story, please note it as such.
- lazlonger, on 10/12/2007, -31/+7This is REALLY boring for anyone who has been observing Hubble photos through the years.
It is so basic that only those who have just now become aware of Hubble should bother watching. Great concepts, just over dramatized, drawn out, and laborious to wade through. Shows how bad production and limited imagination can ruin a truly mind blowing concept. Go search for Nova episodes and you will find way better information. - mrgono3, on 10/12/2007, -18/+5@vizerei
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2. http://digg.com/videos_educational/The_Hubble_Deep_Field_The_Most_Important_Image_Ever_Taken - dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3I wish the director sprung for someone with a decent voice. I could hardly stand to hear him narrate. I don't know why, but his voice and entonation drove me nuts.
Edit: Nasally. That's it. Not to be too hard, though. The video was well-done. - bloqmon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10wow lazlonger, you couldnt be more nerdily condescending. get off your hubble high horse.
- praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -7/+2I agree, dclowd. Too much bass in the voice.
- squelart, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6And a british accent would help too! :-)
- ch33sehead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7And here's a Carl Sagan quote (in reference to this picture - http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA00452.jpg ):
We succeeded in taking that picture, and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam.
The earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity -- in all this vastness -- there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.
~Carl Sagan, May 11, 1996
- harvinator24, on 10/12/2007, -7/+34This video puts me in an ahh, just lost for words.
- tivo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1now think about the number of atoms that exist.
- tivo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1now ask yourself 'why?'
- gr4v3d1gg3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15I remember a pbs program describing galaxies gathering in galaxy like formations. I guess they have never seen anything like that yet though.
- crexor, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28this is one of those on the front page once a month stories, digg should just make a "top stories of all time" category, and lock it, and put these stories in there.
- sandyg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Crexor, I think that is a wonderful idea. It would be a shame if this video got lost in the day-to-day shuffle. It does inspire awe. Beautifully done.
- pooper, on 10/12/2007, -33/+3dupe old
- zephc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+54The universe is indeed VERY old, but its hardly a dupe (as far as we know)
- StephenChow, on 10/12/2007, -16/+2huh.... I wonder what he meant by that?
- Procure, on 10/12/2007, -0/+41I am just in awe of this. To just think about the numbers bamboozles me. 10,000 galaxies in a tiny patch of sky? And we are in one arm of one of them? I dont know what to say...Seriously speechless. Awesome description and illustration of size relationships in astronomy. Dugg.
- pjleonhardt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+33Speechless as well..
Here are highres images, since the vid wasn't very clear:
Deep Field:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/HubbleDeepField.800px.jpg
Ultra Deep Field:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/HUDF.jpg - trylleklovn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Yeah.. and then one of the youtube comments go..
"Nice THEORY."
- pjleonhardt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+33Speechless as well..
- zcreem, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29As Dave Bowman said, "My God, it's full of stars".
- Tanath, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Only in this case, it's full of galaxies... and each one is full of stars...
And each star is likely to have a number of planets. - fyngyrz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Sadly, the distance here is so great that the structures you see are now so much older that if there were planets with life, they've long since been burned to death by their suns going red giant, nova, or frozen by their suns flickering out, etc. The pictures are fabulous, but the light is.... old. Old in the same way that you feel impressed by the sizes and distances implied; old beyond imagining.
The good news is the same thing applies to our local neighbors, and the light we see coming here is new enough so that we can expect that what we see is a reasonable approximation of what is still there.
I agree: The most important image ever taken. So far. :) - McShaken, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@ fyngyrz -
While it's true that this is a snapshot is of the distant past (since the light we see from this distance takes millions or billions of years to reach us), you make the assumption that no new stars/galaxies have been created... - streetstealth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"They should have sent... a poet..."
- fyngyrz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"you make the assumption that no new stars/galaxies have been created..."
No, I did not do that at all. I simply pointed out that what the picture shows, is no longer there. Certainly there is something there now that we can't see, even if that something is nothing but burnt out embers (which, for the record, I strongly doubt.) The image does not serve to demonstrate the details of what remains, however, other than in the very broad stroke that there was something there previously so there is probably something else there now.
The importance of the image is that it serves to demonstrate how large space is to our normally constipated sense of scale, and also that it serves to make (more) absurd the assertion that we are the only life anywhere. That doesn't change regardless of the fact that the image is a "was this way" as opposed to an "is this way."
- Tanath, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Only in this case, it's full of galaxies... and each one is full of stars...
- milomilomilo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25This is why i don't prescribe to religions or mystisism ( not to say others cant, because that is not my decision), because their is so much wonder and mystery in the universe without having to claim magic and saviors did it.
Really want to make clear though that though I'm an atheist I would imagine such a picture could easily lead to a belief in something bigger than all of us, shows how small we are and how big where we are is..... just wow.
Dugg. - omnithought, on 10/12/2007, -1/+50That's just amazing. That picture says more to me than any religious text.
- fyngyrz, on 10/12/2007, -13/+22To me, that picture diminishes religion from merely unlikely and somewhat silly hubris to outright absurdity.
Religionists don't think big enough. They never have.
- fyngyrz, on 10/12/2007, -13/+22To me, that picture diminishes religion from merely unlikely and somewhat silly hubris to outright absurdity.
- epheterson, on 10/12/2007, -21/+1Don't tell me we're doing this again. It was great the first two times.
http://digg.com/space/How_Hubble_Killed_God
http://digg.com/videos_educational/The_Hubble_Deep_Field_The_Most_Important_Image_Ever_Taken
Something can only be frontpage worthy once, in my opinion. - jabberwock1977, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4For anyone, like me, who has youtube firewalled (the b*stards!) - what is the photo of? I'd like to google and read about it elsewhere if possible. Thanks.
- zephc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13The Hubble Ultra Deep Field survey - here's a sample image: http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/56543main_hilight_large.jpg
Each blotch of light is a galaxy. The photo was taken in an area of the sky that has, from Earth, no apparent stars or anything in it. Hubble stared for 10 days to get the exposure. - milomilomilo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5its the hubble deepfield. essentially hubble photographed a very tiny part of space that looks empty and it shows 10,000 galaxies. google : hubble deepfield or hubble ultra deepfield
- jabberwock1977, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Thanks very much both - most appreciated.
- freff, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3You have youtube firewalled where you're at? That's straight fascism, man. I'm sorry for you.
- becknell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@freff
On government computers YouTube is firewalled unfortunately, and many companies do as well I imagine. I can go there from my personal computer but downtime on the job I have to resort to other means; lucky for me Google Video isn't blocked for some reason, nor some other popular video sites, nor digg...
It stinks because most videos posted are from YouTube. - Photoblog, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1you are a moron
- zephc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13The Hubble Ultra Deep Field survey - here's a sample image: http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/56543main_hilight_large.jpg
- zephc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13For those curious about how we could have a universe with a 78 billion LY radius but is only 13-15 billions years old, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe#Size_of_the_universe_and_observable_universe
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space." - Douglas Adams, HHGG
I - jollygreengiant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Yeah how many thousands of galaxies out there and people still think we're the only planet with life on it. Talk about being closed minded.
- Desolite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20its because we are racist, planetist, and civilizationist.
the 2nd two words aren't actually words yet... we have yet to meet another planet w/ life & civilization that we can hate yet. but don't worry, when we find it, we'll hate em good. - dezmo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8heck yes, im ready to kill some aliens
- kinesis8, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@ dezmo
at the rate that our space travel is improving, something tells me that it will be THEM who will find us first... in which case their technology will probably kick our asses
- Desolite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20its because we are racist, planetist, and civilizationist.
- daxsymbiont, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2quite cheesy in part, "we miss you pluto"?, but nice and i agree with its points.
no one can seriously say it's certain there are no other civilizations.
btw, what's the song at around 5mins of it?- Steelfox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I actually really enjoyed that he did that. Good to know there are people who still miss Pluto aswell.
- daxsymbiont, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4pluto went nowhere. there's nothing to miss. some technical naming only changed.
- SgtPeppers, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4I'm really not into science or the universe, but i found this quite interesting.
Dugg- gargantuan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24Not into the universe? Am I missing something?
- fyngyrz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16"am I missing something?"
No, but the poster you replied to sure is. :)
- mkjones, on 10/12/2007, -16/+2This was posted monnnthhss ago :-(
- freff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14I missed it months ago, so I'm glad it was reposted. I don't know why everyone complains about old diggs getting reposted. If it's cool, and someone missed it, then it's a great digg, end of story.
- muvment256, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I've seen the deep field and ultra deep field pics before, but it always makes me wonder: will we meet other life forms before we die? How about before our species dies?
- Desolite, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3as long as its after bush leaves the white house, we'll be OK.
- Steelfox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I'm not sure about our lifetime, but i'm almost certain before our species dies. We're just too damn smart and we advance quickly.. Just look at how far we've come in the last 2,000 years. *****, look at the past 20 years.
- praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -1/+6Steelfox: We _think_ we're smart.
- Mullinator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2inbred: Many also think we are pretty stupid. Fact is that unless we find another intelligent race to compare ourselves too we really have no idea about ourselves.
- Travisrd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3it is, a great image.. the image was posted a long while back.. but this clip puts it in a bit more perspective
- ThankTheCheese, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5wait, am i missing something? what was with the guy dancing to his webcam at 1.30? at first i thought it was a joke, and the first part of the video was just to bait you, but then the documentary continues as normal... Was that video spliced in or actually part of the documentary?
- zephc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2He did it to illustrate the sorts of things about which most of us spend a lot of our time thinking.
- Philbert, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Yeah I almost turned the video off when that came up, thinking it was some kind of joke. Then when the Hubble stuff came back I realized he was just making a point. Very good video over all.
- nauzilus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What zephc said. Just before it cuts to that, he says something along the lines of "we all have more important things to worry about" ;)
- daxsymbiont, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1what's the tune at about 5mins into the video.
- stragee, on 10/12/2007, -24/+3You all are missing one very important point. This has already been posted. So it's getting buried for being a dupe :P http://www.digg.com/videos_educational/The_Hubble_Deep_Field_The_Most_Important_Image_Ever_Taken
- nauzilus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21God damn it your POST is a dupe, people have already said that in this very thread.
Don't you find it rather hypocritical you're bitching about people reposting the same things as before when you don't even read the fricken thread? Besides as others have said not everyone sees everything posted on digg. Get over it! Oh wait...
- nauzilus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21God damn it your POST is a dupe, people have already said that in this very thread.
- freff, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3It's funny how some of the more interesting diggs hit the front page in the middle of the night (EST). I wake up, check the news, browse digg, and find a pretty interesting link like this one that I don't really have time to comment on other than to say, "Cool".
Why does digg.com hate Americans? - diggdong, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Man your battle stations!
- allien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23I'm glad I stayed up tonight to see this video. Yesterday a bum passed me and said: "Smile. It's not all that bad." I get so caught up in my little world of problems sometimes that I don't consider the people or things around me, let alone consider other life on many, many other planets. It's ridiculous how stressed out I have been over finals this week. I don't even realize that I walk around looking miserable. Anyway, I just thought I'd share how that video made me feel. I guess it made me feel at ease.
- Desolite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15you need a hug.
- superdigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13That sounds great. It really makes me wish I had more inspirational bums in my life.
There's really no way to make that sound sincere, but it is!
- NanoStuff, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4If our world is this bad, imagine how much suffering there is in the whole universe. Trillions of Quadrillions of suffering children.
- SportBilly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Assuming they're not all cockroaches of course.
- RTCA, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I dugg you just for the cockroach reference to Donnie Darko and Heroes.
- gregcotten, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1The narrator needs to get laid. Oh, and I love the music too.
- mrgono3, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5Dupe
http://digg.com/videos_educational/The_Hubble_Deep_Field_The_Most_Important_Image_Ever_Taken- mrgono3, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3I know im just gonna get dugg down but whatever.
- hukedonfonix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2So why post at all?
- SportBilly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Is that really the only reason its so important? Excuse me if I'm showing my ignorance but I thought it was basically a snap shot of just after the big bang? With time and distance being related it is basically seeing into the past. He makes a very obvious point in the video if you ask me.
- nepawoods, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Two amazing facts that they didn't mention: 1) The image is of an area of the sky equivalent in size to about the size of a dime held 75 feet away. 2) It's not particularly different than any other similar size area of the sky.
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1996/01/- drscience, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, those are good points. I discuss them in detail on my website, this link goes to YT but there is a page all about this video where I tried to cover things that I couldn't fit in the video itself.
- Aeror, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2He has a creepy voice :(
- alzabo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Are there any explanations of specific elements in the image? There's something about 2/3 down the x-axis and half way up the y-axis that looks different from the other galaxies.
- JBCougar, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1The most important image ever taken is a dupe. Nice.
- 7righthandedmen, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1soooooooo many duplicates like this
- djspanky, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3Even though this will probably get buried....
It's interesting to think how insignificant we really are in the Universe, but God still cares about every single one of us. Humbling thought....- zcreem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3He must be very very busy then.
- angulion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Or maybe there isn't, nor ever was a god?
- diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4we are part of god, god is everything. god is not something entirely seperate from yourself.
- keami, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@ djspanky
Are you saying "god" created the universe for us? How completely arrogant. It is much more incredible to consider that the universe is here all on its very own, and be in awe of the brilliance and majesty of that, without a "god". It is much more motivating to consider that the universe came about without meaning or purpose, and that we must create meaning for ourselves. Unless you want to be a sheep and are too scared of thinking for yourself.
What is so crazy about believing the universe came from nothing? It is much less crazy then believing that some god created it. Where did that "god" come from then? It is overly complicated to think, that "god" originated out of nothing, and then created the universe out of nothing. The simplest explanation is best. Ever hear of Occam's Razor? Human beings have the incredible ability to empathize with inanimate objects. Sure, we all have the desire to believe we are not alone and that the universe cares for us in some way. But that is just not the case.
On another note how can anyone believe the universe is only 6000 years old after seeing the Hubble Deep Field is beyond me.
Idiot sheep with their intelligent design BS. It is ridiculous to believe the universe is less than 6000 years old. On the other hand, if you believe that creation in 7 days is a metaphor, that Adam and Eve's fall from eden was a metaphor. Then Jesus died for a metaphor (original sin), making all of Christianity look really silly.
You might as well be a Scientologist. - SportBilly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@ djspanky
You talk as if we are something outside of the universe. We are all made of stardust...FACT. Give me some facts about how God created us will you? - keami, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@ diecastbeatdown
"we are part of god, god is everything. god is not something entirely separate from yourself."
Wow. That is a big load of fluffy new age nonsense. Does that help you feel better about yourself, or better the world? Terrorists believe the same ***** as this, and use god to justify their actions. How is there any good in that? People are people. We don't need god or religion anymore, not in today's world.
So where are these "god" particles that exist in everything? According to creation _mythology_, god breathed life into us, giving us a soul. Where is this "soul"? How would you even begin to prove that a soul exists in each of us. Give me some concrete evidence and I'll listen to you. Really.
I do not believe we are part of "god", we are each individuals with our own individuality and sentience. Even if we are part of god, or god is part of us...it would explain a thing or to: god is one of the most violent and malicious fictional characters to ever be written about. - mrhaines, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4@keami
I dont think djspanky is saying the universe was created for us. I think he was saying that the Universe was created by god for god and we are a small part of that.
Secondly, your statement "must create meaning for ourselves is utterly illogical". If the universe is devoid of inherent meaning then any meaning you attribute to it is merely a figment of your imagination and in the end meaningless. Meaning can only exist if it is inherent to the universe we live in.
Your next statement I agree with in a sense...
"What is so crazy about believing the universe came from nothing? It is much less crazy then believing that some god created it. Where did that "god" come from then? It is overly complicated to think, that "god" originated out of nothing, and then created the universe out of nothing."
However, you miss one point and that is this: the universe must have a beginning, the nature of God says that he does not (you say god originated, but anyone who believes in god says he does not have an origin). That is a matter of faith, but believing that the universe just suddenly appeared out of nowhere (big bang) without some force behind that event is just as much a faith act as believing in a higher power.
If you believe that there is no caring force in our universe try looking at the perfection of our solar system to protect us from that big amazing universe.
1) The sixe of the gas giants and the path of their orbits creates a gravitational field large enough to effectively protect us from large objects that could destroy the earth.
2) The orbit of the earth, the tilt on its axis, the wobble of its rotation all allow for the climatic and seasonal variation that has allowed life to exist on earth.
3) The atmosphere...effecftively lets anything leave the planet earth while creating a barrier that keeps harmful objects out or burns them up as they enter.
4) Oort cloud outside of our solar system continuously supplies our solar system with new elements so that we never run out.
I could go on...but from my perspective, we have been taken care of pretty good. What we do with the provisions God has given us is another story...
Finally, your idea that intelligent design says the world is 6000 years old is false. Some uneducated Christians believe this, but intelligent design merely says that there is a creative force behind the universe. You don't have to believe that the creation story is a metaphor to hold that the earth is not 6000 years old. And the bible never says the earth was created 6000 years ago but merely that God created it in 6 "periods of time" (which we have perhaps incorrectly translated as "days", and does not say that adam and eve were the only humans created. In fact Adam and Eve's child Cain travelled to a far away land and married a woman there which implies the creation of other humans elsewhere.
We all see the universe differently, some see intelligence behind it, others see random events. This is a matter of persepective, and not a conflict between science and religion as both positions require faith. The truth if the matter is, one perspective allows one to live life as he or she chooses without the recognition of any inherent meaning while the other recognizes an inherent meaning and chooses to live their life the best they can to reflect that meaning. This is at the heart of the two opposing worldviews and the choice that one has to make about how they want to love their life. An existence where one is responsible to someone or an existence where one only serves oneself. - mrhaines, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4(stupid digg and it's comment system)
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"must create meaning for ourselves is utterly illogical". If the universe is devoid of inherent meaning then any meaning you attribute to it is merely a figment of your imagination and in the end meaningless. Meaning can only exist if it is inherent to the universe we live in.
Your next statement I agree with in a sense...
"What is so crazy about believing the universe came from nothing? It is much less crazy then believing that some god created it. Where did that "god" come from then? It is overly complicated to think, that "god" originated out of nothing, and then created the universe out of nothing."
However, you miss one point and that is this: the universe must have a beginning, the nature of God says that he does not (you say god originated, but anyone who believes in god says he does not have an origin). That is a matter of faith, but believing that the universe just suddenly appeared out of nowhere (big bang) without some force behind that event is just as much a faith act as believing in a higher power.
If you believe that there is no caring force in our universe try looking at the perfection of our solar system to protect us from that big amazing universe.
1) The sixe of the gas giants and the path of their orbits creates a gravitational field large enough to effectively protect us from large objects that could destroy the earth.
2) The orbit of the earth, the tilt on its axis, the wobble of its rotation all allow for the climatic and seasonal variation that has allowed life to exist on earth.
3) The atmosphere...effecftively lets anything leave the planet earth while creating a barrier that keeps harmful objects out or burns them up as they enter.
4) Oort cloud outside of our solar system continuously supplies our solar system with new elements so that we never run out.
I could go on...but from my perspective, we have been taken care of pretty good. What we do with the provisions God has given us is another story...
Finally, your idea that intelligent design says the world is 6000 years old is false. Some uneducated Christians believe this, but intelligent design merely says that there is a creative force behind the universe. You don't have to believe that the creation story is a metaphor to hold that the earth is not 6000 years old. And the bible never says the earth was created 6000 years ago but merely that God created it in 6 "periods of time" (which we have perhaps incorrectly translated as "days", and does not say that adam and eve were the only humans created. In fact Adam and Eve's child Cain travelled to a far away land and married a woman there which implies the creation of other humans elsewhere.
We all see the universe differently, some see intelligence behind it, others see random events. This is a matter of persepective, and not a conflict between science and religion as both positions require faith. The truth if the matter is, one perspective allows one to live life as he or she chooses without the recognition of any inherent meaning while the other recognizes an inherent meaning and chooses to live their life the best they can to reflect that meaning. This is at the heart of the two opposing worldviews and the choice that one has to make about how they want to love their life. An existence where one is responsible to someone or an existence where one only serves oneself. - keami, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@ mrhaines
Uhm. you posted twice. oh well.
"If you believe that there is no caring force in our universe try looking at the perfection of our solar system to protect us from that big amazing universe.
1) The sixe of the gas giants and the path of their orbits creates a gravitational field large enough to effectively protect us from large objects that could destroy the earth.
2) The orbit of the earth, the tilt on its axis, the wobble of its rotation all allow for the climatic and seasonal variation that has allowed life to exist on earth.
3) The atmosphere...effecftively lets anything leave the planet earth while creating a barrier that keeps harmful objects out or burns them up as they enter.
4) Oort cloud outside of our solar system continuously supplies our solar system with new elements so that we never run out."
There is no caring force in the universe. You are talking to the wrong person. I am not some person who has lost faith and is simply looking to prove to themselves that there is no god. I truly believe that there is no god, with almost complete certainty, and I never had "faith". That is the difference between you and me. You have this "faith" (which as of yet, no one has provided a very good definition), and believe in god with _complete_ certainty. No matter what I say, you will not be shaken. That's being a good little sheep. On the other hand, I can be stirred, if I see concrete evidence that there is a god, I will most definitely change my mind. That is being rational and scientific.
As for your above comment. About the universe being caring. Well, I'd like to believe that the universe/god cares for us. But that is just about as ridiculous as believing that my house cares for me by not falling down!
Out of the billions upon billions of galaxies and solar systems, lets say in each solar system there is less than a 0.1% chance a planet within that given solar system has life on it. That makes for billions of planets in a universe with phenomenal probability that life exists. We are just one of the countlessly random lucky ones. Our solar system happens to have the perfect conditions to sustain life. If just one molecule during the big bang had been out of place or missing, we would not exist. Everything is deterministic. We are stuff of which stars are made of. Isn't that enough for you?
We have existed for less time than a single blip on the time-line of the entire universe. We're not that special. Over time our earth has been bombarded with meteorites many times that have wiped out nearly all life on our tiny little planet. It's not that long 'till it happens again, really.
And as for what you said here:
"This is at the heart of the two opposing worldviews and the choice that one has to make about how they want to love their life. An existence where one is responsible to someone or an existence where one only serves oneself."
You don't need god to be responsible to someone other than yourself. You don't need god to serve other other than oneself. You don't need god to have morals, or to find meaning in your life. Every hear of humanitarianism? You don't need god to believe that all human beings deserve respect and dignity and should be treated as such. I'm an atheist and do many hours of community service throughout the year, and I am going into a field that concerns those who are less fortunate than others (the developmentally disabled).
Apparently, you do need god on some level to provide justification for mass genocide (the crusades), for flying airplanes into buildings, and suicide bombings. Anything that can twist up people's minds that much should not be looked at as an entirely good thing.
Religion is outdated. And I feel it is doing much more harm than good these days. We don't need it anymore. It is a crutch. It is only something that happens as a part of normal social evolution as a method of keep communities together. It was and still is used by people for personal gain and malicious purposes. (Scientology is a "bona fide" religion, but they are really just a cult, how are their "Thetans" or "Xenu" any different from your god and devils and angels?).
Religious texts are just a lot of stories. Most of them aren't the relevant anymore, and pretty violent. You can take them as metaphors if you will. Or you can pick and choose your morals from whatever holy text you adhere to and justify any action you undertake, no matter how evil (as in fundamentalists, like those who killed muslims and jews during the crusades, and present day terrorists who wish to kill anyone not muslim). That is a lot more scary to me than an atheist or humanist who follows their own heart.
The Bible allows you to justify intolerance and hate of homosexuals, it allows you to own slaves, and sell your own children into slavery. It says it football is an abomination (as you aren't supposed to touch the skin of a dead pig), it says shellfish are an abomination. Oh and don't forget shaving the hair on your temples, and working on the weekend is an abomination too.
see this link:
http://users.adelphia.net/~jimswanson/DrLaura.htm
- CandidateZero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I demand a 3D rotatable picture of the entire universe!
- hukedonfonix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Google...Universe?
- zcreem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1and a 256 bit processor.
- streetstealth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4http://www.shatters.net/celestia/
Done. - Tanath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Note quite "done." It's a work in progress. ;)
- mynameisjody, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I mean, I knew, but I didn't know.
- diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Afterwards check out some of these Nebula shots. Amazing..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-QcTOjLaKc- bleutuna, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Amazing. And a wonderful musical choice. Thanks for sharing that. It had a bigger impact on me than the main post.
- wmink, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i feel tiny.....
This is truly amazing to me. I wanna know whats goin on out there. And they (whoever "they" may be) probably wanna know too....right? - digimat, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2how bout the most boringest video you'll ever watch.
- redrighthand, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Sorry Tony but your forte' is not voice-over work **yawn**
- truegodofwar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Why does the numa numa kid interrupt the documentary with his big dumb ass?
- bluecube, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"we are part of god, god is everything. god is not something entirely seperate from yourself." so simple, yet looked over as being so absurd. how right you are.
- SportBilly, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2When people talk about God they mean the creator of the universe, don't complicate things. What you describe is what I would call the universe and we are all part of the universe. Every atom in us came from a dead star, we cannot separate ourselves from the universe. Call it God if thats what turns you on.
- keami, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@ SportBilly
Thanks for that comment, very well said. These god-obsessed sheep are really frustrating.
- JackHallows, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Oh look. Another day, another dupe.
I thought this may have been something NEW for a change. Seeing as how this is supposed to be a NEWs site and all... - keami, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5How anyone can believe the universe is only 6000 years old after seeing the Hubble Deep Field is beyond me.
Idiot sheep with their intelligent design BS. It is ridiculous to believe the universe is less than 6000 years old. On the other hand, if you believe that creation in 7 days is a metaphor, that Adam and Eve's fall from eden was a metaphor. Then Jesus died for a metaphor (original sin), making all of Christianity look really silly.
You might as well be a Scientologist.- mehness, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'm not sure why 'intelligent' people consistently use such flawed arguments to attack Christianity.
If God created an adult Adam, why would He not create an 'adult' universe? It makes much more sense than the other way around. Just let it be. God is never going to be proven or disproven by science. - keami, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@ mehness
What do you mean by "adult" universe? As in "he" created the universe as we see it today? Doesn't it explicitly state somewhere in the bible that god does not lie or deceive? What of all the fossils and skeletal remains of dinosaurs, and all our scientific methods of dating these fossils, elements and even stars? That seems like deception to me. (And it is really silly to believe fossils came about during the so-called "flood", as they are much older than when this flood is said to have happened. Also, there is no evidence such a massive flood ever occurred).
If you believe that there actually was an "adam", of course you believe that an "adult" universe was created by god. All you did was state your belief, and since I don't believe there was ever an "adam", and that it is a metaphor, (just as the belief that the universe originated from ant poop according to some African tribe is also a metaphor); what you said doesn't help your position at all.
Which means your argument completely falls apart, as it has been scientifically proven many times over that the universe was not created in 7 days. This, in turn goes with the point I was trying to make in my earlier post. If you take these things literally, why not take the entire bible literally and condemn all who disagree with you to death. The Bible justifies racism, sexism, genocide, murder, rape, the ownership of slaves (and selling your daughter as a sex slave) and even abortions. God is one of the most violent and malicious fictional character ever written about.
It is pretty scary to think that a religious person can pick and choose what parts of the Bible they believe are "right" and "moral" and ignore the rest; such as those who are pro-life or against homosexuals because the bible says so. In this way, you can use the bible to justify almost any action you take!
I don't think most Christians have even read the bible. If you follow the old testament word for word and use it as your moral compass, you would be a criminal by today's standards. If you followed the new testament in the same respect, you would be considered out of your mind. (see here for bible quotes condoning murder: http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm). According to the bible, you would have to kill every person you know who does not believe what you believe, which effectively is condoning genocide. Hitler was a fundamentalist christian.
And science is not trying to prove or disprove god, that is the job of philosophers. Science is just trying to stop people from believing illogical things we have no absolute concrete evidence for. Especially religious people who want their mythologies considered on the same level as science: like this who wish to hide the remains of our evolutionary-ancestors from the public: (http://www.livescience.com/othernews/061203_richard_leakey.html)
- mehness, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'm not sure why 'intelligent' people consistently use such flawed arguments to attack Christianity.
- motherwell, on 10/12/2007, -9/+0Pink Floyd if my favorite band from that era, but it is such a cliche to use their music with something like this. People need to try to stretch just a little bit for some originality. Not to mention you don't own the copyright to Pink Floyd's music and they will definitely protect their property when they need to.
- stevensj2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9It's almost heartbreaking to consider those were your thoughts after seeing this.
- egingras, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow. Numa numa was not expected.
- mdmadph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2no, it wasn't. not now, not back then, nor will it ever be. :P
- kirkness, on 10/12/2007, -0/+378 billion... putting a number on it kinda makes it seem smaller to me. I always liked to think of it as infinite. great post tho.
- firebhaal, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0It's not 78 billion now :). There is a new number of 92.94 billion light years, with explanation that the universe quite possibly infinite, but the VISIBLE universal can only be this large due to the limitations of the speed of light.
- ksbrent2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually what you are looking at is not 78 billion years ago, he is actually giving false information. Due to redshift the most distant objects in the Hubble Deep Field are not actually visible in the images; they can only be taken at longer wavelengths by ground-based telescope. 78 billion years is one of the current scientific guesses on the actual size of the universe, not the actual "observable universe."
- drscience, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Thanks again for all the comments, as many have already pointed out, this has been posted to Digg before.
I'd like to mention that this video is currently being updated to include new information. I've recently come across a paper in Physical Review Letters (2004) where the authors, using WMAP data, have put the size of the universe at roughtly 46.5 billion LY instead of 78 as I mention in the video. The wikipedia entry for the size of the universe has been updated to reflect this as well.
I'm currently updating the hubble deep field page on deepastronomy.com to include this information. I just read the paper last week and haven't had time to re-edit the video or my webpage.
It looks like Numa Numa guys is out too since more people seemed to hate the fact that he was in there than liked it.
As for my narration, as I have repeatedly apologoized for, I had a cheap mic and didn't listen to the video with earphones on before posting that particular video to YT. I've since cleaned it up, look on my channel for that version. - revenant, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2truly amazing.. I got shivers and tears at the same time.. just wow.. that woke me up inside.. wow!
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