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- aladrin, on 05/21/2008, -7/+57All your moonbase are belong to us.
- SeaweedWater, on 05/21/2008, -10/+49All your base already belong to us.
- kakapu4u, on 05/21/2008, -8/+45Same as here on Earth: the guy with the bigger gun.
- BigManOnCampus, on 05/21/2008, -0/+37I'm predicting corporate sponsorship and ownership.
Sea of Tranquility, brought to you by PepsiCo - KeepSwinging, on 05/21/2008, -2/+37The Mooninites?
- Harrison88, on 05/21/2008, -0/+26Piratebay.
/thread - reflex768, on 05/21/2008, -2/+24Damned good piece. Call me a cynic but I suspect that like the Homestead Act itself, that proposed treaty authority will end up a contorted mess which will be abused by corporate and state interests. If you want a piece of the moon, get there and sit on it, just like the land rush of the 1880s. It will be a seriously difficult and expensive matter to actually evict a "lunar sooner" once he's ensconced up there in his tunnels. "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" and so forth.
- IphtashuFitz, on 05/21/2008, -2/+18Do the same thing as Antarctica as far as I'm concerned.
- Ceaser57, on 05/21/2008, -0/+15Damn, I really wish I had thought of selling moon property to idiots first.
- inactive, on 05/21/2008, -3/+18Lol at legal aspects of the moon.
Like any "new land" the ones to claim it will be the ones who have the power to keep it.
Contracts tend to lose significance when there's absolutely no authority to enforce them.
And if you want to see something extremely stupid:
http://www.lunarinternational.com/?gclid=CLrWx53kt ... - linagee, on 05/21/2008, -0/+14Nobody can own it unless you're up there to defend it. So right now, nobody owns moonspace.
- synthpop, on 05/21/2008, -1/+15this just in - slam dunk evidence shows that Al-Queda has been building terrorists training camps on the moon for years.
to protect the Earth from evildoers we hereby launch "Operation Lunar Freedom" and claim the moon in the name of Amurka! - digghasnoethics, on 05/21/2008, -0/+10This is all unimportant and small scale.
I own the entire universe outside of earth's geostationary orbit. All I need to impose that claim is enough armament to shoot down any rocket that travels outside this near earth region without my permission. So far I've let science probes through, but its at my discretion.
BTW there is a invoice waiting for all the solar energy you've stolen... - Beson669, on 05/21/2008, -0/+10That's no moon...
It's a SPACE STATION - Screwy1138, on 05/21/2008, -0/+7Agreeing with some of the above.... laws and contracts are useless if unenforceable. Ownership of land, on Earth or elsewhere, goes to anyone who can enforce/defend their claim.
- Sibir, on 05/21/2008, -1/+8The moon should be owned by those who first bring it out of a state of nature, and then, only that portion which they have improved - same as any other property. Locke has this covered.
- starmanjones, on 05/21/2008, -1/+8i can usually find an opinion that sounds good even if it isn't good. this... almost defies solutions.
the problems seem to be the big company/countries staking out all the good spots... lava tubes, etc. places to live. i think staying alive is going to be more important than owning. what can be drawn up that facilitates that.
i don't think ownership or jurisdiction or laws from earth will matter much in a very short amount of time if ever. staying alive matters. for sometime the mining and resources are going to be more to stay alive than for profit. water may be a problem and it will have to be shared.
maybe starting out with the recognition that we don't have a clue what is needed but recognize the colonies will become sovereign in a way that we may not understand today.
the prime locations for colonies is limited and belong to no one.
if the u.s. government puts in a base and i want to build a base then i have a right and an obligation to build close enough that it makes everyone safer and extends the livable habitat.
in the case of something like lava tubes that are limited in supply... then i have a right to use them but i should arrive or send ahead 'stuff' that i need to make it habitat. sealed... electrical...
at some point basic water and other logistics will be established and a certain amount of habitat will be established... someone will want to move in and bring a few acres of forest. they will bring their forest and the colonists will find apartments for them in the safer lava tubes. that will be the point where rules from earth don't matter.
i think its a mistake to allow it to become defended territory. - jimmies, on 05/21/2008, -0/+7[King Soloman]Let's cut it in half!!!! [/King Soloman]
- bungoman, on 05/21/2008, -0/+6True, but I'd say it's a pretty important one. It'd be nice if for once we could have something like this sorted out in advance.
- blazes816, on 05/21/2008, -0/+6All your base already belong to U.S.
Fixed. - ladbroke, on 05/21/2008, -0/+6I was just going to go for something a bit more subtle, such as:
"Us. All of them." - supaklaw, on 05/21/2008, -1/+6Was expecting this a bit higher up the comment list...
- SteelChicken, on 05/21/2008, -0/+5"all power comes from the barrel of a gun." - Mao
- inactive, on 05/21/2008, -1/+6 that's how it works, but others live in a world of denial of this fact.
- nard3456, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4The moon will be claimed by the country that has the military power to defend it.
- Matt2k, on 05/21/2008, -2/+6> the Moon Treaty, in 1979. It explicitly barred private property rights on the moon. It also provided that any development, extraction and management of resources would take place under the supervision of an international authority that would divert a share of the profits, if any, to developing countries.
And its thinking like that which will lead to Moon colonies, once established and self sufficient, moving towards an independent government trading with corporations based on earth. - inactive, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4cocaine is a hell of a drug...
- Harbinger67, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4So maybe you'd be a good person to ask who wrote "Da moon rulz", on my car, with a key.
- TsuruchiBrian, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4In fact, we don't even need fancy laser guns or anything, as regular small arms work just fine in space. In fact they work better with less gravity.
- reuscel, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4Your schtick is getting really ***** old.
- bungoman, on 05/21/2008, -3/+7Colonizing the moon and reaping the benefits of the tremendous advances in technology that will come with that makes a lot more sense than just trying to fix our problems here on Earth first. Technology provides and will continue to provide solutions of many of our problems (from the mundane to the global) and if we can learn a lesson from our attempts at just getting to the moon it's that colonizing it will require new things we probably haven't even thought of yet that will benefit all of mankind.
- reedts, on 05/21/2008, -0/+4Somebody set up us the bomb.
- Orion682, on 05/21/2008, -1/+5January, Universal Century 0079.
The space colonies of Side 3, declaring themselves the Duchy of Zeon, launched a war of independence against the Federated Union of Earth. At the same time, the Zeon Forces undertook Operation British: An attempt to drop a space colony onto Earth; the target Jabrow Base, Headquarters of the Earth Federal Forces in South America. However after the colony entered Earths atmosphere it was destroyed over the Arabian Peninsula. The largest piece hurdled toward Earth, and struck Sydney, Australia, instantly transforming the city into a huge gulf.
The Duchy of Zeon, based on space colonies didn't have the raw materials needed to fight an extended war in Space. With the failure of Operation British, a war was now inevitable. So they embarked on a plan to land on the Earth to secure the materials they needed. With eminent speed, they seized 2/3 of Earths surface. Even Australia, which bore the worst scar of the Operation British disaster, has fallen subject to Zeon attack for it's abundance in natural resources. The Earth Fedral forces in Australia already battered could do nothing to repel the Zeon onslaught.
Now the Federal Forces will be fighting for the safety and common good of the people of Earth. Led by one of the greatest diplomats, pilots, and leaders there has ever been: Isaea Roenall. "Suite up boys...the time is upon us..." - Eezyville, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3Its not to late. You can sell Mars property, Jupiter, Saturn, Europa, and Titan. Then there's the asteroid belt, good for minerals, and the Kuiper belt, where the comets and thus water comes from. But I call dibbs on the Kuiper belt because I want all the comets! Not only do they provide water but also rocket fuel.
- justintsmith, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3No. All your moonbase are belong to us.
- pkonink, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3I love technology, but I am not so obtuse to think it will "save" humanity. How long have we been around? At least several hundred thousand years in our current stage of development.
Yet how long have we needed "saving?" A couple thousand years? In terms of impending eco-catastrophe how long - a couple hundred years? Perhaps to save ourselves we need to start looking inside ourselves to find out how we lived for so long in harmony with our habitat rather than outside for blame and salvation. - smackieattk, on 05/21/2008, -0/+3You're just plain kooky. BURIED!
- Canadian0207, on 05/21/2008, -1/+4beat me to it
- SerifTheRobot, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Dracula.
- vanguardanon, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2I always assumed it was just like any other piece of land in human history. If you win the war you keep the land.
- uncoveror, on 05/21/2008, -2/+4Bush already wants to claim the moon so red China can't control all the green cheese.
http://www.uncoveror.com/moon.htm - mr.gates, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2I think they should do it like they did during the western expansion in the United States, if you fence it off and settle it for more then eight years its yours. But make them put up barb wire fences.... because that would just be awesome.
- spwpi10, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2Locke's theory has plenty of problems associated with it. Just because we use an economic system essentially based off of his ideas doesn't make him right. I personally think our economic system is flawed and promotes class seperations and poverty.
- WTFppl, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2"Everyone"...Well, not the clear people!
- juanchopanza, on 05/21/2008, -1/+3Why not save Terra and screw up some other land mass?
- Gndoab, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2that reminds me of that gay british comedian...
"We took over the world through the cunning use of flags!..."but we live here"...yes, but do you have a flag?" - Masefield, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2It should belong to no one until it blows out of orbit. Now, there's a series that has potential for a sequel or remake.
- steviesteveo, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2QFT, this -needs- to be sorted out internationally in advance or when it is economically feasible we're going to meet someone sitting up there with a rifle on the porch ready to defend the land he's claimed.
Also, have a little wonder for thought exercises, this one is pretty interesting. - MadOgre, on 05/21/2008, -0/+2It should belong to Sealand.
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