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- machocheese34, on 12/02/2008, -4/+136yeah, that does sound a bit low.
- krystalo, on 12/02/2008, -5/+86You can trust Ars to sort out the fud from the fact. Good article!
- spencenaz, on 12/02/2008, -0/+7690% of all statistics can be made to say anything... 50% of the time.
- kylejn, on 12/02/2008, -0/+73I say "mooooo-torrent," but then again, I'm a cow.
- rezx, on 12/02/2008, -7/+71"By most estimates, P2P accounts for close to half of internet traffic today" -- really?
- skyshock1, on 12/02/2008, -1/+48+1 I don't know that torrent clients spewing UDP packets indiscriminately is the answer to ISP's traffic shaping because they're too cheap to lay down additional bandwidth. The real answer is for ISP's to follow the Asian markets and give us ***** 100 Megabit connections down AND up. We'll pay for it. Hell, there's one ISP out in Japan that's offering Gigabit full duplex connections:
"KDDI has announced that they will be launching a 1Gbps Internet
service to single-family home and condo users in October. The service
is supposedly synchronous, with 1Gbps in both directions, although the
article implies that speeds will vary with location. Cost will be
5,985 yen/month (about US$56.50) for the basic Internet and IP phone
service. This is intended to compete with NTT, who currently control
over 70% of the Japanese FTTH market."
$56 a month for gigabit internet and unlimited phone service. Our
infrastructure looked lame compared to Japanese/European/Korean
100Mbps service. This is ten times faster. We're now officially ten
times lamer.
The age-old argument is that America is different because the
population is so distributed. Yeah, fine, that's why rural Kansas
doesn't have this stuff. But how do you explain San Francisco, Silicon
Valley, New York, etc. all being stuck with 6Mbps cable modems? Even
fios, which is nice but certainly not available in every city, has
nothing on this.
American/Canadian ISP's? ***** get with it already. - Spudweizer, on 12/02/2008, -10/+51dugg for uTorrent
- inactive, on 12/02/2008, -1/+38U-torrent is how everyone I know says it. It could also be pronounced Micro-Torrent, since that is what the mu stands for.
- Carnage6669, on 12/02/2008, -2/+36i work for an ISP... and this should be interesting, because one of the main things that we monitor is Packets Per Second on our main Routers (to monitor available system resources)... I wonder if the big guys are doing the same? If so than it will become a slower client than normal, assuming that they limit the PPS from your IP...
- inactive, on 12/02/2008, -1/+34Most emails are under 1kb.
- KibibyteBrain, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2750%-90%?!?!? 25%-65%?!?!? Aren't those margins so wide, that they just have to be probably right? I could say "Between 50-90% of Americans like to eat pork" and I'd probably be right, with no data at all.
- dougle, on 12/02/2008, -2/+28If the ISPs actually had the capacity they claim and charge us for, this wouldn't be a bother, my connection would top out and choke but everyone else on the street wouldn't notice.
- Scotty87, on 12/02/2008, -2/+27Making something great, even better. Good article! I've been using uTorrent for years and have suggested it to many people. Light-weight and easy to use.
- rheaume, on 12/02/2008, -2/+25I read this with a mix of horror and intrigue
- inactive, on 12/02/2008, -0/+23rtorrent - C++
ctorrent - C
deluge - Python - DigitalisAkujin, on 12/02/2008, -0/+20You-Torrent but I would agree that Micro-torrent is probably what the author envisioned because that would explain his intention behind writing it in the first place: tiny memory, cpu, and HD stamp.
- skyshock1, on 12/02/2008, -1/+20@morningmatters
Right. And no one will ever need more than 640k of RAM either. - inactive, on 12/02/2008, -2/+21Hmm, I like that this UDP makes it either easier or harder on my ISP, this is definitely maybe a nice or terrible improvement, kind of.
- Shiftyeyedgoat, on 12/02/2008, -4/+23"So if ISPs can legitimately claim this traffic causes trouble, they'll start filtering it faster than the EFF can say "net neutrality." On the other hand, if uTP simply yields to TCP, ISPs may actually like this development. Then again, why would users adopt a new BitTorrent client that downloads slower than their old one? "
This is the crux of the article; hopefully they have one hell of an algorithm that is not only friendly to TCP traffic, but invisible to filters ISPs impose. But given those two stipulations, the downloads will likely be MUCH slower.
This decision seems suspect at best from µtorrent. - machocheese34, on 12/02/2008, -0/+16in that case it's way too low
- ChildeRoland420, on 12/02/2008, -0/+15Trust me, there's nothing light-weight about his mom.
- inactive, on 12/02/2008, -2/+16Do you pronounce it U-torrent or Mu-Torrent?
- Monkeyman2210, on 12/02/2008, -0/+14I sense you just did ' nobody will need a computer at home'
- AllHereTruth, on 12/02/2008, -0/+14@morningmatters
Have you ever tried Torrent downloading, 10 tabs open, youtube, gaming all at once...i would assume not
The AVERAGE 16-25 needs more bandwidth for normal interweb use. - LexMortis, on 12/02/2008, -4/+18I'm writing a paper on the weaknesses of BT. A quote from my paper: "Ipoque (2007) reports in a preview of their 2007 P2P survey that BitTorrent is generating between 50-75% of all P2P traffic. P2P traffic is responsible for 50%-90% of all Internet traffic which means that BitTorrent traffic is generating somewhere between 25% and 65% of all Internet traffic.".
- TVarmy, on 12/02/2008, -1/+14I know it's dumb of me, but I wish it had the pieces tab like on the Windows version. It tells me virtually nothing about the torrent that's of any use to me, but I like to open the tab and see the pieces slowly fill in, and I tell myself that at least the torrent is moving.
- inactive, on 12/02/2008, -4/+17Shhhh NEVER admit anything on Windows is better than it is on Mac.
Got it? - cvesper, on 12/02/2008, -0/+1260% of the time, it works EVERYTIME
- andar, on 12/02/2008, -0/+11Deluge - http://deluge-torrent.org
- DarkShroud, on 12/02/2008, -0/+11No you're just a dumb ass.
- rald84, on 12/02/2008, -1/+12i think they're only taking into account the porn on P2P
- mrgulabull, on 12/02/2008, -0/+11"It's like sex with a condom :)"
takes twice as long to reach the end result - rheaume, on 12/02/2008, -5/+16So you can download Mist?
- Munk3y, on 12/02/2008, -1/+11Uhm... YES!
- jvincent08, on 12/02/2008, -0/+10I don't know why you're getting dugg down. rTorrent is CLI only, often used on seedboxes and other servers. Deluge and KTorrent are both nice GUI apps.
- Deadpixel1221, on 12/02/2008, -0/+10Found it:http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=49813
How to enable and disable it:
Preferences > Advanced, set bt.transp_disposition to:
255 - both TCP and uTP (default)
10 - uTP only
5 - TCP only
Warning:
What was in 1.8.1:
uTP, but connection attempts were not initiated by default, and there was no control over TCP as described above. You can enable it, but likely you will see the uTP connections not transfering much data, because they are pushed out of the way by TCP.
I think I'll wait for the next stable release... - Acura666, on 12/02/2008, -3/+13Like your MOM :)
- inactive, on 12/02/2008, -0/+9uh... yea... and almost daily..
- ProKid, on 12/02/2008, -6/+15I'll give it a try. uTorrent is a great client I love it, if they can make it faster then it already is I'll def get it.
- skyshock1, on 12/02/2008, -0/+9@ morningmatters
Do you know WHY those numbers are capped the way they are? Network engineers at those respective companies cap it due to people's ***** ISPs. Software is written for crap dial-up pipes. Give everyone a 1 Gb pipe down and up and see what happens. - Xzanith, on 12/02/2008, -0/+9Torrent clients have their own data checking system. So they don't need TCP's control as well.
http://torrentfreak.com/will-utorrent-really-kill- ... - koko775, on 12/02/2008, -3/+12It doesn't seem all that suspect. All it seems to me to be doing is eliminating the overhead of TCP's generalized connection throttling and error correction, which given the deluge of packets bittorrent sends out, makes sense. I quote from Wikipedia the differences between TCP and UDP:
* Ordered data transfer
* Retransmission of lost packets
* Discarding duplicate packets
* Error-free data transfer
* Flow control
* Congestion control
Bittorrent basically takes care of all but #5 (and it might even take care of that, too). Switching to UDP makes sense, and would lighten Bittorrent's overhead for ISPs greatly, enabling either faster speeds, or making quality of service for TCP much, much easier to maintain. - Vegiemaster, on 12/02/2008, -0/+8Except BitTorrent already checks the integrity of the chunks that come in.
- inactive, on 12/02/2008, -3/+11LOL all these claims of the internet dying is just funny
- phantom_mullet, on 12/02/2008, -0/+7The article says it is available, but not enabled, in 1.8.1.
- moulin1, on 12/02/2008, -0/+7Claims of users exceeding network capacity are laughable. The speed of the internet is determined by profit. Not capacity. Most user connections are throttled to slow users down unless they pay more. What is the difference between a "business DSL" line and a "home ADSL" line? They both run on the same copper wire. They both have the same potential bandwidth. The difference is a throttle to slow the home user down, not anything to speed the business user up.
- darkism, on 12/02/2008, -1/+8@alanr19: I'm the biggest Macfag around and I'll be the first to volunteer that torrent software on the Mac is severely lacking. As far as configurability goes, I'd rather use the oldest Windows uTorrent than the newest Transmission.
- jonathangerlach, on 12/02/2008, -0/+6@FDisk
Have you been living in a cave? Bittorrent checksums all the file "chunks". If a "chunk" is corrupted it will just be re-requested. - Defiant001, on 12/02/2008, -1/+7I want FiOS, or an optical connection at all
- Jealous Canadian - anath47, on 12/02/2008, -2/+8Mu-torrent. Unless I'm telling someone to google it.
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