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- britkev1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+99Casinos are great at taking your money but when they screw up, they sure don't want to pay it out!
- bryxal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+53The real problem i see is that the reverse doesn't hold true. lets say your a problem gambler. your suffering for a psycological condition... a glitch shall we say. if your glitch made you spend all your money in a machine do you think the casino will give it back because of a glitch? you can't have it both ways...
- shoover, on 10/12/2007, -0/+46The best line was: "This type of malfunction is very rare and it's unfortunate that the machine was being played and it malfunctioned like it did,"
Well how rare - like winning the jackpot rare? So ANY jackpot is a 'rare malfunction'? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+43doesnt sound like a malfunction to me, sounds like they didnt want to pay out the jackpot.
"But the Manitoba Lotteries Corp. says that in some cases, a machine's software can make serious errors."
why were they being used?
Normally a software error is a crash, not a jackpot.. have you ever had a game crash and increase your score?maybe a way to game the system but i find a jackpot crash hard to believe. - Kaioshin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+45"But Olynik said the slot machines have a sticker on them advising players that a "malfunction" voids all winnings." ~TFA
And they can get away with THAT!? - RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+38The house always wins. Even when they lose.
- oGMo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+31No, the moral is that if you gamble, make sure you're a casino. ;)
- darkyoshi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+33The moral of the story is that you shouldn't gamble.
- TortfeasorG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28Yeah, I wonder how many times those machines "malfunction" to cause the player to lose. Also, I always wear a sticker that says "Bad luck voids all losses"
- MikeCampo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24That last guy mentioned must be depressed as hell! What a kick in the balls.
- oOLiquidNightOo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24gah, i can only imagine that would feel/look something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=pFMXfGvDRts
- RadiatedAnt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25That Sucks, My heart would sink if that would ever happend to me. :S
- CRasH180, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24It is not the two guys fault that the slot-machine messed up. The casino should pay out and pull the machine(s) until the casino can review the software and correct the problem with the slot machines.
We will see what happens. But, I would be pissed if someone re-called my winnings for something that is not my fault. - KevinJ, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23They should request the source code and analyze it professionally
- snoble, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21There's even a better way to think of not having it both ways. It is fair to say that most gamblers gamble based on the size of the winnings. So it is reasonable that anyone who played this slot machine while it was defective (or any defective slot machine owned run by the same organization) is owed back most or all of their losses. If they are not willing to pay out the promised winnings then they should not be able to profit off the advertisement of them. Of course I don't know how you figure out when the machine had a glitch or who was using it at the time.
- BurninatorX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Next thing you know winning at the poker table would be void because of a "Dealer Mistake"
- nogami, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20So their software glitched. Too damn bad. Pay the guy and hire a better programmer next time.
- lunchbox170, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24it is there fault that it malfunctioned they should still pay the winnings.
- Jeffrey903, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Even if it is a glitch, they should still have to pay. The Casino's have to trust and make sure that the software they use is stable, secure, and free from glitches in any circumstance.
- gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16"In 2005, a man from Virginia won more than $11 million US at a slot machine on a reserve in Oklahoma, but was told it was a software error, says the Canadian Press.
He settled for a $1,199 US payout."
Idiot. - MikeyMoose, on 01/30/2009, -1/+15That casino is going to have to eat the payout. They are responsible for the error - either not checking the code or not warning patrons - either way - they loose. Reminds me of the math prof in Montreal (someone find a link?) who noticed that a casino video poker machine would always start from the same seed for its random number generator. It turns out that the unit didn't have its RTC installed - so it started from the same seed (0) when it was powered up every morning! The Guy hit 2 $400,000 jackpots after recording the machine's results over months. The casino initially refused to pay, but a court decision ruled that the casino was negligent in ensuring that the machine was fully operable.
- candiru, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18get away with the sticker? or with enforcing that policy?
people should know better than to play at a casino with those "policies"; caveat emptor. - ratpH1nk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16hopefully the casino will lose far more than 209,000 in bad press. It is their screw up one way or the other. They should pay up and take it out with the slot company.
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Or at least dont gamble in a disreputable place
- brainScan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14agreed... that guy was an idiot for taking the $1199 payout instead of fighting for the $11 million. You'd still come away feeling like a loser and like you were ripped off. The only way that I'd take the $1199 was if I was allowed to promptly shove it up their a$$es, $1 at a time.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I've had a similar thing happen (but with nowhere near that ammount). The gaming place it occurred in gave me a free dinner and some vouchers to make up for it, but the next day there was someone playing that same machine. The one I was assurred would be removed from the gaming room.
- episodic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13That'd make me snap
- AXNJAXN, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Why would you need two source codes to find a glitch?
- nyconx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"Weinstein says messages on the machine indicated that matching all five numbers would pay out the equivalent of more than four million nickels."
"My clients saw what the payout was. As they were playing, they saw what five numbers would have gotten someone. It's not disputed that it was on the screen."
Actually Flashboca the machine did promise higher winnings. - shoover, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9or... maybe you could RTFA...
It was nickel slots - and ANY slot machine can pay out more than double, that's just the most common payout. - eridius, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@flashboca: your argument makes no sense. The machine listed no limit at all. It doesn't have to say how high it can go, it has to say how high it *can't*. Without any posted limit, the assumption is there is no limit.
- jakenovak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10A few years ago, this same thing happened to a woman in a casino who played a machine that was in "demo" mode. She won $10,000, but naturally the casino didn't award her the money. However, the machine manufacturers gave it to her after seeing it on the news.
- smtelegadis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Funny thing is when I tell the Pit Boss that my loosing was a "Malfunction" they didn't give me my money back. Huh, go figure?
- Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10im waiting for someone to blame it on microsoft
- KevinJ, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9huh?^^
- KiSA, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9what about the guy at the bottom? 11mil and he settled for $1,100. That is 0.01% what he won.
must have been an impossible to win case I guess. Are indian reservations 'above the law' in some cases? I don't see how they could get away with that kind of garbage - Hydraulix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Now he has to spend all of his winnings on a lawyer. What a sad world we live in.
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Any sort of gambling is a sucker's game: you're deluding yourself if you think you have "control" at a table game.
- snoble, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I can't tell if you are trying to be sarcastic. Because that is exactly what does happen. Dealer error means everyone receives their bet back. Of course in this case the casino doesn't get their rake so they are somewhat motivated to make sure that the dealer does not screw up.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9candiru...ALL casinos have that policy. That is why the US (and probably everywhere) has a compltely independent gaming commission that has absolutely no reason to favor casinos to investigate situation like that.
- Coded1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Is'nt that also why they are insured? If they are your machines then the owner is responsible for the winnings and losses because that is what they are designed to do, win and lose. It did its job and took some money and gave some up. According TFA "The machine said the win was worth a jackpot of $209,716.40"
So what they are saying the machine was right in saying they won but the payout amount is wrong. But how can you say when the machine is 'lying" or not? If you take responsibility for taking some guys money using the machine then you must stand behind it when it takes money out of your own pocket. Those are the risks as well and the reason they take insurance.
I guess you could say "what are the odds of that?" - diargasm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8So can people who lost money on the machine sue them for a "glitch" that kept making them lose?
- kismac, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7they don't care cause its our tax money that funds their operation... so in the end we are only screwing ourselves. the irony is delicious.
- mcottier, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"In 2005, a man from Virginia won more than $11 million US at a slot machine on a reserve in Oklahoma, but was told it was a software error, says the Canadian Press.
He settled for a $1,199 US payout."
What a moron! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I was watching something like this on tv a couple of days ago. Apparently, there is an independent agency that determines if it was a real jackpot or not. They have no affialition with the casinos whatsoever. Also, they go to multiple casinos a day.
Also, 209,000 seems like a lot to win on nickel slots. - Ray301, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Actually, i'm surprised this wasn't mentioned in the article... in most casinos the computerized game machines are all inspected by a third party agency (for example, tstglobal.com) that specializes in certifying game machines. They examine the program codes to insure glitches like this doesn't happen. I would imagine in a case like this, the company that inspected and certified the machines will be the one liable for an error like this... though i'm sure the casino's position is to not give out any money it doesn't have to, even if they can sue the certification company later on for the loss.
- harley999, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6So... what happens when I screw up and bet too much??
- igraham09, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8play black jack...
black jack is the ONLY game in the casino where your odds of winning are the same as the house's odds of winning (if you're smart about it). it makes it a somewhat competitive type of game instead of a "give-all-your-money-to-the-house" type of game. - olddirtycr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Uhh wow, i'd like to find out the name of this casino branch and i will never go there.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Their best defense is to say that the slots run on Microsoft WIndows
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