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- jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This really isn't hard to do, it's just ***** stupid to do.
Everything that happens during a shutdown that takes any time at all can be done constantly while you're working, though you'll be paging the harddrive really hard. So, it'll be slowing down your comp while you're doing stuff, but when you go to shutdown, there will be nothing to do, and it'll be instantaneous.
As for startup, I'm guessing they mean after the bootloader loads ntldr, and not from poweron. Again, like MS said, they'll just load explorer.exe with some mainline dependencies, and gives you your desktop in a second or two. Problem is, for the next 15 or 20 explorer is basically going to be extremely sluggish or frozen while it loads everything else it needs. - Jason.Tapp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Did anyone notice the error in that paragraph.
"...You'll also shut down and restart your computer less often by using the New Sleep state, a simple one-click on and off experience which not only reduces power consumption, but also delivers and protects user dat."
Way to go Microsoft. - theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3^ Whoa. Turn off the Caps lock there, buddy. Optimisations to the actuall Operating system you are running would decrease the load-time. Open your mind and shut your mouth.
>>Boot time is important to MS for one reason: crashes.
Oh c'mon. Totally unfair. I've not had my heavily overloaded XP boxes crash once this year. Why make fun of them for '98 stuff? It's going to be 8 years on by then!
Boot time is important because it's convienient to be able to use your computer to grab some quick info when you're not expecting it.
IE, Check your mail, grab a phone number, print a doc
Total time now: 30(start)+10(shutdown)+20(task)=1 Min.
Total time Vista: 3(start)+3(shutdown)+20(task)=26 Sec. - steveng, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Let's have a little faith in Microsoft, I'm sure it will boot and shut down in a few seconds when Vista comes out in 2029
- Aphelion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2XP's goal was 5 seconds, wasn't it? and when i first installed xp with nothing else on my hard drive it was around 5 seconds, but now that i have other files, it's slowed way down. maybe vista will do the same thing
- ultra_lime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What about using solid state memory to load all the boot information and just move it to main memory quicker.
- 5blocksfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@grieks "Geez who shuts down anymore"
When you start getting energy bills that hurt, you will. - Arkaic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2" Windows Vista processes login scripts and startup programs and services in the background so you can start working right away."
So, what if something you want to work with depends on a mapped drive in the login script, or some other process which hasn't finished yet??
Sounds like more marketing hype, just as they did with prefetch in XP. - haylcron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Since Vista is going to have several new shut down options (remember reading something about it in an article about how people don't understand sleep or hibernate and that Vistas won't actually ever shutdown the entire pc unless forced to), my money is that it's a 2-3 second boot from a new "shut down (ie sleep)" mode. This is probably much like the Macintosh (flame on) sleep where you wake it and the whole system comes back to life in about 2 seconds. So to be more exact: my bet is that sleep becomes shutdown in terms of terminology, start-up is really just wake up, and a 2-3 boot is possible. Yay for technicalities and renaming features!
- Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It'll take 5-10 second for it to alert the authorities to anything on your computer it doesn't like.
DRM = Democracy Removal Management - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And these are the results of taking all the good features out of it.
- wingo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1thats what a windows 3.11 loads on a new system...
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1According to the below article, superfetching should INCREASE the boot-time.
http://digg.com/software/_SuperFetch_to_accelerate_application_boot_time_in_Vista - ithmar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'll believe it when i see it
- greatdevourer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Treed - That's because BeOS was designed to be fast, because it didn't have any older systems to support. I can imagine Vista possibly doing this, but only if they take the BeOS route and start from scratch with no support for anything else
- treed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1BeOS 5 used to boot in about 2-3 seconds on my dad's P2-400. And that's to a usable state too.
- Bigbro69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My grandad's Windows ME (Haw haw) boots up in about 8 seconds, ready to go. =D
- PottsyNZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow that rewrite must of been damn good.
It says the computer starts/shuts down in seconds...whether its meaning the OS does everything needed to do in that time..the jury is still out on that one - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Its sooo funny that the worshipers of all things bluescreen around here think this is such a big deal.
Personally, its been so long since I actually booted my Linux box I don't even freaking remember how long it took. and I have installed and upgraded a huge number of things since then.
So, I say *meh*. - mouthster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Im a laptop user and I never shut it down, just close the lid and put it to sleep... but it's a Powerbook.
- pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"You'll also shut down and restart your computer less often by using the New Sleep state, a simple one-click on and off experience which not only reduces power consumption, but also delivers and protects user dat."
sp? - ajbarnes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1TVs only take 2-3 seconds to start up? Most older CRTs take at least 5-6 seconds to warm up.
- sonofalink, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It takes my computer at work about 20 seconds to get to the desktop.
Now if you decide to click on the Start menu as soon as the desktop appears though, it takes about 3 minutes to appear (because it hasn't loaded yet.)
"Boot time" to me is the time between me hitting power and me being able to USE my computer, not see the desktop. Of course, I'm not a marketing guy... - gamerzworld, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have the current build (5219) Its a little faster than XP but I wouldn`t say its 2-3 secc.
- exobot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The proof, as they say, will be in the pudding.
- triv, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Basically, you will get to the desktop in 2-3 seconds, and then still wait 2 minutes for everything to finish starting up anyways.
Really they just changed what you are looking at while waiting for everything your computer to finish loading... yay Microsoft. - jono181, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1With the hardware you need that is required to run the damn OS, this is not surprising.
- mercury81, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0that'll be nice, if they can pull it off.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0smell that? it's *****
- Tobey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hmm, sounds like they're just putting the machine into hibernation and saying that it's off. There's no way a machine could cold boot into Windows in 3 seconds. It takes at least 10 seconds for your motherboard to display information about itself and run its tests. And it's even longer if you have a raid card. My card wastes 6 seconds of my life showing me how I've got my drives configured.
- bobetr, on 11/27/2008, -0/+0Maybe 15-20 seconds...not 2-3.
- sonofalink, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0j_bellone:
Uh... yeah, Linux can. Have you been under a rock for the past 5 years?
Anyway, I run a Mac and my computer boots quite a bit faster than my supposedly faster PC... thats probably due to having to start up all the anti-virus BS thats required on an operating system that forces you to run as root in order to do anything usable. :P - LeegleechN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Windows starts up for me in about 10 seconds after loading ntldr (that's to having a usable and non-sluggish desktop). This is obviously hype, but I think we might see at least a small imoprovement through shuffling current startup tasks to run later with low priority and stuff like that.
- Misos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hype. Not dugg.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yeah.. as others point out it would be pretty damn hard to get a cold boot time of 3 seconds. Chances are they're using a hibernation mode or something. Hell, right now thats about the time it takes my old Celeron 433 to do it. (Hibernation mode)
"I'm no MS-fanboy but they can't win.-bobbyelliot"
Everyone likes to beatup the "big" guy. It happened to IBM... (As for me, I'm not liking this DRM ***** coming in Vista..) - exobot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Double post, oh noe.
Jason.Tapp - yes, same, silly MS and their typos :P. - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Finally they came to their senses, something linux had since the beginning. I bet nobody runns as limited user in XP on their home machine, if this is enforced in vista it would be a good thing."
I use XP as a limited user daily. Learn how to use the runas command, it works great. No viruses, no spyware, it's fantastical. - Vst_kills, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think they meant it crashes 2-3 seconds after starup
- t0ny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0and in other news vista needs 53 2.0Ghz cpus.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i dont know about anyone else, but as soon as i can see my mac dock aand that fly in on the desktop, i can use it straight away, true for anyone else???
- alloneword, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0should read:
Resume from sleep in 2-3 seconds, it wont boot in that time. takes about that amount of time for the bios to get through to the Loading screen.
OR
They aren't launching internet explorer at boot time :) - AntiInsight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It does not. I think it takes about the same as xp for vista to boot up and shutdown. if not a little longer. I know from experience. haha!
- Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I concur with most... I'll believe it when I see it.
- IraqManiac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0heh they wish
- hayden.evans, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0BULL *****!
- dna42fan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"i dont know about anyone else, but as soon as i can see my mac dock and that fly in on the desktop, i can use it straight away, true for anyone else???"
same here - Jammerdelray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0awesome....cannot wait fo sho!!!
- kmilden, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Get a faster computer with a lot of ram. - Not dugg.
- punkrock4life, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i bet this changes before vista ships... lame.
- Reliant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'll believe it if I see it
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