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- ninjacob, on 10/12/2007, -9/+82I don't give a 1/10th of a ***** about the opinion of an ***** who hits someone's car while parking.
- flag564, on 10/12/2007, -8/+67Shhhhhh. When the mac does it, it's because uncle Steve cares about us and wants us to have more time to do other things on the computer.
When MS does it = Dumbing Down for Joe User. - jcounterman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41Isn't that one of the pros of a Mac?
- f00xx0riz3r, on 10/12/2007, -3/+40I love this;
Apple does it - it's usability and "ease of use".
Microsoft does it - it's "dumbing down" and "succumbing to stupid people".
Some people should get a fcking reality check before they're allowed to write online. - emorphien, on 10/12/2007, -7/+39Holy ***** no kidding. Way to start your article: "Hi, I'm an idiot who has no respect for other people's property, now listen to me... please"
- halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28@jcounterman
Yes, a Mac does do that.
The article was written by a techno elitist whose upset that his imagined digital prowess is about to lose it's status as an anatomical compensator.
It's like all the DOS gurus who were upset that Microsoft "dumbed down" their OS with a GUI, and then gave it a name like "Windows."
A digital snob is upset that one of the few things he knows about computers is on the verge of becoming obsolete. (Assuming Vista performs as advertised, which is entirely possible.)
@flag564
Please, don't assume all non-Windows users have that mentality. Chris Caines is an asshat, that's all there is to this story. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20"I'm an excellent parallel parker" and "gently bounced off the bumper of the car behind" don't belong in the same sentence. Are we talking about the same person here?
- marksy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21exactly... this guy is a horrible writer. Can't accept a mistake? Snide bastard.
And who the ***** relates cars to OS's? - Portwineboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Was there a point to the inane ramble about his visit to the pub and parking? If it takes five paragraphs to explain your analogy...find a new analogy.
- BobMysterioso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14actually, if you have to explain it, after telling it, its not good in the first place.
- BlackLineFish, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14It might not be fair to say that people are stupid - however, a lot of users sure are. I like what Apple did when they made OSX based on a UNIX kernel, but with a GUI that looked like good ol' Mac on top. Satisfies users and super users alike.
I have never owned a Mac.
Some day the operating system will have enough artificial intelligence built in that it can figure out how clueless its user is. If they keep doing dopey stuff like accidentally disabling the firewall, then the OS can dumb itself down. The OS could even throw a few scenarios past the user that tests response in different situations. For example, if you throw a flag up 3 times in a row that a file has a virus, does the user disable the virus detection, or delete/quarantine the file.
Of course, the AI could determine a lot by its user based on usage of words like: cuz, coz, HOTT, b4, OMG, etc...
--gh
(wants my computer to think I am smart.) - BOFH139, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19Welcome to the Windows RG (Really Good Edition)
http://www.deanliou.com/WinRG/ - airship, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8But most people are stupid. Really, really stupid. It makes sense for a computer to come up in a default 'stupid' mode, then let smart people hack it into 'smart' mode.
- omatsei, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13@j0ew00ds: Yeah, in one case, there's physical evidence that you don't give a ***** about other people's property.
- ninjacob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Actually, I have traveled a lot. I've even been to Finland and Russia.
If you hit someone's bumper, you're not a good driver. PERIOD. You should know where your car begins and ends. - chrono13, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Disclaimer: I've used Vista, and I really dislike it, but for very different reasons than this moron.
"Sure, there's a slight difference here in the fact that most car manufacturers don't release cars with faults in them which might actively allow a thief to bypass your locking mechanism and steal your car; however, you can't deny that it was easier to nick a car even as recently as 5 years ago than it is now."
His argument is almost as if Windows security should be rolled back to 3.11
"whilst their computer busts its ass keeping them alive."
So, the computer should DEFAULT:ALLOW everything?
I check Secunia, Security Focus, CERT advisories, and other such info daily. Because it is relevant to my job, and I find it interesting. What I haven't read lately is anything related to cars. I don't care, it isn't interesting, and I know enough about my car to do minor work on it, keep it running and use it very well. I wouldn't expect any average computer user to want to, or be required to learn any more about their computer than is required to use it proficiently and to their satisfaction.
By this guy's idiotic argument, Linux is worse because it assumes you don't want to do anything administrative at all, and the moment you go to do anything potentially dangerous, it stops you - even insisting on confirming you are the admin of the computer.
This moron thinks that everyone should roll back to the good ol' days of DOS and further back, when reading a book was a requirement before you could do anything with the computer. Back to the good days of saving all your various configs to floppy so you could swap them without having to reconfigure them each time. The glorious days when a new piece of hardware was a two to six hour setup to get working correctly.
I miss those days. I really do. Computer geeks were real geeks, and the guru's didn't have Google - you had to know what you were doing without a search engine; hell, without the Internet at all.
But I am glad we live in an age... an information age, where information, it's use, access and creation is not limited to only a few, but is available to almost everyone, of every class, caliber and lack of tech savvy. - xutopia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Some people really overreact.
Taking the car analogy to the next level... remember those cars you had to move to the front of the car and spin this lever fast enough to start your engine? Most of us don't or if we do we've seen them in black and white movies.
Some idiot probably complained when that lever was removed and bitched and moaned about it for ages. Truth is a different system automated that process so you wouldn't have to do it.
Today we removed a bunch of things away from the car which used to be there. We don't have a stick to pump gas to the engine anymore, simply keeping a pedal pressed does that for us.
The beauty and elegance in removing the superfluous from a machine is a necessary evolution of our tools.
Windows, Apple and Linux run on computers.... computers are good at doing stuff we tell it to do and the more the program does for us the less we have to do and the more we can concentrate on the stuff machines aren't good at.
If Windows is 'dumbing down' the interface and the OS great! It's time we started using computers instead of spending all our time playing with it's internal.
> I'm typing this on Linux. - davidburns, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Holy cow, another article on the internet where someone talks about how they don't like Microsoft and Windows Vista. Boy, I've never seen one of those before!
- h2d2, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Microsoft is making it's OS easier for the dumb people? You mean the way Apple does it and touts it's as a "feature" in "ease of use". Funny...
if (Windows.usage.difficulty > MacOS.usage.difficulty) {
blameForBeingHard(Windows);
}
else blameForBeingDumbedDown(Windows); - wileyAU, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@night141
Not to defend his actions, but in a manual transmission with the clutch down you can bounce off things. Its still a ***** thing to do, since even at extremely low speed you can swap paint. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This is the dumbest story ever.
Seriously, it's a BAD thing to make an OS easier to use? I'm a certifiable computer junkie, but I'd still rather use a simpler OS. Ya know, people actually use computers to get work done, not fiddle around with file settings all day.
Besides he wines about "bumpers" in the OS, yet praises them in a car. Am I the only one who doesn't see what this guy is talking about? "My Pictures", "Pictures", who gives a crap? - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5My god, that's a lot of words for little to say.
What is he complaining about? All I saw was the removal of the useless "My" prefix to some folders, and I can only consider that a good thing, as it was superfluous.
I guess it's about the UAC prompts too, but these can both be turned off by people like him that think they "know better" or avoided a bit better if you follow a home directory centric model like in *nix systems. Vista is only alerting you on changes in these cases:
1. The changes are local-machine wide and may affect other users.
2. ... and the UAC prompts are activated.
I also can't believe people are still pulling car analogies... Windows isn't a car.
There should be something akin to Godwin's Law about those. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5How can you bounce off the bumper behind you? Does your car magically throw itself into forward whenever you 'gently bounce off the bumper behind you'?
- dwemer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Has this guy actually used vista? Vista is probably the most configurable desktop OS microsoft has ever put out. You can turn off every security feature if you know how.
Vista is dumb because it uses the word MY too much? If he actually used it he would notice that "My Computer" has been renamed to a more root like "Computer". Chris Caines is an idiot. - GliTCH82, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9More like...
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Me.Close - Scatropolis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"And who the ***** relates cars to OS's?"
I remember a while back installing redhat and having it ask me if I'd buy a car without looking under the hood. - markr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I agree - making computers easier to use and more foolproof is a great idea, and applaud Microsoft for doing so.
But I think that people's problems with this is that sometimes the advanced functionality can be made more difficult - for example - in DOS, I could rename all .txt files .doc files very easily - but this isn't so easy in windows explorer. The default file search behaviour in Windows XP is "dumbed down" - but I have to switch this off and do an advanced search. When I want to go into the windows folder, Windows hides the files in case I break it...
It's a little bit like AOL, which is a dumbed down version of the Internet. Good idea in theory, but sometimes it's not implemented properly... - GliTCH82, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I don't even think this loser can handle Vista, maybe he should go back to Windows 3.1 with Microsoft Bob
- VeganG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Just how dumb can people be?"
As someone who does tech support every day, I'll say.... VERY. - JurneyAhed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5WTF? This has been happening since the end of DOS (ie Win95) - Each OS has been designed to be easier for the end-user. What's wrong with that?
- Kanna, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5At least he can construct proper sentences with correct spelling.
- r121, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8That's how it is already. Computers come with Windows, but then you can remove Windows and install something else.
- pabster, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Vista > OS X.
Now mod me down hard, all you Apple fanatics.
At least Vista has an actual software base. - IgogI, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why is this on the front page?!?!
- pedaws, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The article author's picture looks like Marshall Mather's chubbier brother, Peanut Eminem.
- fantasticjon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think it is rude. Your car should not come in contact with other cars. that's a little rule of thumb I like to use when I drive.
A lot of bumpers have proximity sensors or video cameras built into them now a days. I can't wait until that guy bumps the wrong car while the owner is nearby and has to pony up $1000 to replace some sensors. - GiggleStick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I don't know about the UK, but in the US, a lot of cars have painted bumpers that even a small bump can scratch. I guess in the UK you want a big chrome bumper with rubber grommets. Is there a law about this in either place? I know that in NY State, they won't even fill out an accident report unless it is (in the officers estimation) over a certain dollar value of damage.
- lustre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3And has progressed to the point where he notices when the caps lock is inadvertently left on.
- SportBilly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"In all non-North-American major cities in the world we bump other cars all the time while parking"
Ever parked in NYC? Bumpers are for fun! - Humptydank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3
That's because he's English. They walk around acting they invented the damn language. - vuzman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I don't understand why he says that the removal of the "My" prefix is a dumbing down. I would say it's the other way round. I alway found it extremely annoying to have that prefix, especially in the "My Documents" folder, where non-MS software often copied the idea and I would have 30 folders all beginning with "My". Especially since i use the keyboard a lot for navigating. I usually rename most of the things I can get away with.
If it's on my computer, it's mine, ok? No need to specify that on everything. - ThankTheCheese, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2did he actually have a point? The article seems just to end without any kind of final statement.
- Nitrogen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Twice have I bumped the vehicle behind me when backing in. Both times I felt like ***** for doing it. Like many above said, it comes down to a respect thing. Maybe you're cool with people bumping your car, but a whole lot of people wouldn't be. Just like a lot of times people don't want you sitting on your hood, leaning against it, and the like (practically everything has a zipper or a button to scrape against that nice new paint job). So, you shouldn't ever assume everyone else is just okay with it.
Secondly, different car heights could contribute a lot to the damage incurred. If a Volvo tries to "bump" a Lamborghini, you just put a 6-inch scrape in the hood of a $150,000 car. I'd be furious if I was the Lambo owner. Or since I have a towing package on my truck, with or without a hitch (especially with), it's got more chance to damage. - JeffDM, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I think you'd be surprised if you actually looked.
Much of that software base is duplicated, a half-dozen apps that do the same thing. The Mac platform still has two or three apps that do any given task. The main exception is games, that market is a lot more driven to need a specific title, and the gamer market is a small fraction of the computer market anyway, it doesn't matter to most computer users. - c11ris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That's some sweet math, 2,000,000,000/500,000 = 2,000,000? I got 4,000.
- sailor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Many users are pretty dumb, that is why windows is there...
for the smart folks , there is linux, mac, bsd...etc - emorphien, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6It certainly is more common outside this country, and even within cities in this country (particularly where old people are involved) but I still disagree with it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm digging this story just for the statement by the submitter, nice to hear the truth once in awhile.
- timeshifter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No digg. He went on and on and I think he had a point. Not sure what it was. What a windbag!
- srusso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Agreed! This was really stupid! I spent time reading more about the analogy he thought was so great then what he really wanted to write about! NO DIGG!! I want to be able to fill a dugg hole! This should never make it to the top!!
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