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- CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -26/+91Get a life.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -24/+84I strongly urge all Microsoft haters to hold their breath when Vista launches and wait for MS to crumble. Do iiiiiiiiiiiiit!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously though ... don't expect Vista to be anything other than a smashing success. Followed by more and more monolithic success stories. Microsoft does more things right than wrong. - drag, on 10/12/2007, -3/+63""It's up to the consumer if this upgrade is worth $200-400 dollars.""
No consumer is going to give a rats ass about Vista anymore then they did about Windows 2000 or Windows ME over Windows 98.
They'll buy Vista when they get a new computer, otherwise they will just keep running what they have. They may get excited about the flashy graphics or whatever, but that's about it.
Of course that's not everybody, but that's 95% of everybody. The only people realy caring about Vista are geeks and hardware vendors hoping to use it to spur lagging PC sales. Corporate types may care, but only realy because it's what they'll be getting with their Microsoft licensing contracts in another year or so and they have to be ready for it. - goat77, on 10/12/2007, -9/+56I just installed RC1 and it's the best experience I've had with an OS yet. It took only 20 minutes to install and all the drivers were there instantly. I love it.
- paroxsitic, on 10/12/2007, -18/+59Can't Macs run windows now a days? I think what you mean is 'Get OS X'
I don't mind vista. It's prettier than XP and it does have upgrades to XP. It's an upgrade. It's up to the consumer if this upgrade is worth $200-400 dollars. - Ignignokt01, on 10/12/2007, -15/+47I dugg this because it wasn't written by a mac fanboy, and it was a good article.
- Rikkochet, on 10/12/2007, -8/+38Dunno why guys are modding down r2d7 - he's right. Can you name many products that MS has put to market that haven't been way more successful than they (probably) deserved?
Even Windows ME, damn it to the blackest pits of hell, showed up on so many new PCs that it made them money (unless, if fortune smiles upon us, they took a loss hiring new devs to handle all the bugs and support problems).
I dunno if it's marketing or just vision as to what the consumer wants, but MS does seem to hit a home run far more often than not.
I take it back, I'm sure it's marketing. - Spiff05, on 10/12/2007, -15/+43Yeah, I like how "Security vulnerabilities come free with all versions" is just snuck in there. I love it when writers just make stuff up.
- hasanahmad, on 10/12/2007, -23/+50does your XP run Directx10? does your XP have an XML based desktop? Does your XP have windows media center built in? Does your XP have superfetch and ReadyBoost built in? Does your XP have instant tablet PC compatibility? Does your XP have native ipv6 stack? Does your XP have services for UNIX applications?
- Hellman109, on 10/12/2007, -6/+29"How can hackers, scattered across the globe, working for no pay, linked only by the net and shared values, apparently outperform the smartest software company on the planet?"
Is he completly ignorant that the most active programmers are actually paid by companies that use Linux?
Its not some joe in his parents basement, he works for a company earning good money, IBM pay a number of people to work full time on developing it.
Ignorance is bliss?
"open source, which in Redmond is still viewed as the spawn of the communist devil."
Wait a second, Microsoft are now releasing some things as open souce. Oops, you lose again.
The article is full of ignorance and bias, and actually doesnt take anything away from Vista except that it took longer then expected.
A company reshuffle in a company that large has taken a while actually and it really started to shine after it did this... so the author is saying that they did something good? Oh, he ignored the 'Microsoft now perform better' part... His Bias is showing. - hasanahmad, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27Because Digg is the new web 2.0 slashdot
- Qoogirl, on 10/12/2007, -9/+30I don't know if it's Apple zealots or not. But you know that something smells a bit biased and just downright silly when they say "Microsofties" in all seriousness. People, "Microsofties?"
I personally don't think anything will be the end for Microsoft's 'monolith' unless within the next 5 years they say, "OK, we're done making OSes and more." . - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26end of sony, end of apple, end of microsoft, end of nintendo
waiting on all of them, hasn't happened yet - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+29Why would you digg someone down for just commenting on his own experience.
- hasanahmad, on 10/12/2007, -8/+26Whats with the anti-microsoft, anti-vista tirade? its the only system which can run next generation PC videogames on Dx10 (not available on XP), its the only windows system with an XML oriented desktop which can be customised much more than XP, its performance through superfetching and other tech is greater than XP and is seemingly much more secure than XP. if you dont like it, why ridicule it. I cant believe how quickly Digg has become a ground for the web 2.0 version of Slashdot, that too after a year of ridiculing Slashdot for what it stood for, Digg has become a modern day blogosphere version of Slashdot
- Programous, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20ISO for RC1 is around 2.5 gigs, im not sure what you downloaded...
- cjdunn, on 10/12/2007, -28/+44Best quote: "Microsoft also released details of US pricing for the new operating system. The 'Home Basic' version will cost $199. 'Home Premium' comes at $239. 'Vista Business' is priced at $299. And 'Vista Ultimate' weighs in at a whopping $399. Security vulnerabilities come free with all versions." Nice.
I've installed RC1 at work. It really is just a shiny coat of paint over XP. It follows the tradition from Win2K and XP to bury settings and controls deeper and deeper into UI where it's more difficult to find them. - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -11/+25@cjdunn:
> ..bury settings and controls deeper and deeper into UI where it's more difficult to find them.
They are A LOT EASIER to find, have you even used ANY Vista build ? When you decide to try it before bashing it, right click on the desktop and hit personalise and tell me how they've buried settings. Oh, and that's just 1 example.
> It really is just a shiny coat of paint over XP
No, you're COMPLETELY WRONG. They've basically redone EVERYTHING, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista
@agret:
> No but Microsoft could've just released it for XP like they did with the transition from DX8 -> DX9
No, they can't you freaking uninformed lemming. DX10 uses the new driver model (WDDM) in Vista along with other new things (Like apis and so on) which are Vista only and require a MASSIVE REWRITE OF XP for them to work in XP.
> Yeah XP has fetching, don't know what the hell ReadyBoost is though
Wow, so you admit you're arguing about things you have no idea about ? You're realllyyy smart.
> Do I care? My ISP don't even offer ipv6?
So it doesn't ? Okay, move along.
> Yep, cygwin
That's from MS and built-in ? Oh wait, that's no to both.
Good job morons, really. - Anpheus, on 10/12/2007, -24/+37I thought the point of Linux was to make sure that the config options are as obscure and difficult to use as possible?
- SSCrow, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16It may just be me, But I think bashing Microsoft is a little outdated.
Why do people have to take Operating Systems so personally?
For Instance, I use XP. I enjoy it.
I know a few people that use OSX, they like it. I don't take an issue to that.
I know individuals that use Linux for their servers. It works great. I don't hate the server.
Why is it that people have to boast and point fingers?
Its Pathetic, Its just a matter of individual preference. - michaelothomas, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19@cjdunn
You're just flat out wrong. Things got moved a little in Vista, but (after doing a long usability study for a class I'm taking) I have to say that the OS is almost universally more usable than its predecessor. - goat77, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Expand this statement to a small essay and submit it to digg. I and thousands of other logical people will digg it.
- goat77, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19Actually, the ISO for the 32bit RC1 is 2.5gb, and the 64bit version is 3.6gb. You lose...
- shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -27/+37i'm just hoping some brave people will decide to give linux a try....
- DrPiranha, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18Why is this ***** even on the front page?
- goat77, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Maybe I should restate that: "Vista does have virtualization built right in and I'm using it right now". Is that better?
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -10/+19Simply put, Macs and Linux don't have the infrastructure to support a vast exodus away from Microsoft. If there's going to be a change, it'll be a slow withdrawl -- not like the PS3 fiasco where the company fouls up in many gigantic blunders and everyone begins hating their products. Alternate OSes will have to become more popular, and then colleges will start regularly teaching how to program for the alternate OSes, and then companies will have to hire new programmers and new IT managers, and then they'll have to move over to the new OS, and then they'll still have to make sure that all of their hardware and software is compatible with the new OS, which will require an enormous amount of recoding and new purchases. For instance, when's the last time you saw a serial port on a Mac?
Whether or not you like it, we're stuck with Microsoft. Shifting to an entirely new OS is like shifting to a brand new government. It's not going to happen overnight simply because the government is bad -- if that was the case, China would be a democracy by now. It takes a lot of time, and even when the people are ready to switch, the knowledge of how to deal with the switch must be given time to develop, first. - manfrin, on 10/12/2007, -15/+23Ahh the Observer. A beacon of truth amon- wait, no, it's a tabloid.
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"If you are tricked by buzzwords"
"XML" a buzzword? Maybe to a computer illiterate, but we're on Digg now where many use this word completely without treating it as a buzzword, but a technology from the nineties. It's almost as bad as calling HTML a buzzword. - goat77, on 10/12/2007, -3/+111.Install RC1.
2.Look in task manager.
3.Right click on any process
4.OMG LOOK VIRTUALIZATION OPTIONS!!!1 - redxii, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Especially using the term "Microsofties". Real professional!
- CurtHowland, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Prophets of Duke Nukem Forever.
- sporkman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10RIIIIGHT, because window's 95% of the market is going to be ruined... hahaha. what will people move to? Linux, no way, it's too complicated for the average user, Mac, ahahah, like everyone will buy a mac, especially since not every store carries them, people buy from Best Buy, Compusa, Dell, Gateway, until every brand makes computers than run Mac OS, they is no way Apple can compete.
the consumer gets what companies want them to buy. and companies want consumers to buy windows based PCs. - ronaldst, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Prophets of Doom+
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -19/+26@hasanahmad
Does your Vista do anything XP couldn't?
Does it make you more productive?
I've used it and the answer to both of those questions is no. As a matter of fact it is less productive. To convince us that we need their new search features, they've buried the file structure somewhere so that I can't find it. No Back/Forward/Up buttons for browsing my documents. Now I have search for my engineering paper. This is especially bad for me considering I don't tend to remember the name of things very well (why bother? its so much easier if)-- I remember where I stored it.
Yes, I get Vista for free through school. But will I be using it beyond gaming? No. - Turki, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Fun Fact!: You can deliver your message without swearing, trolling, or spamming. It's the new invention called *drum roll* REASONING!!!!111oneoneeleven!!
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16Macs are not as business-friendly, nor do they have the vast amount of programming help that Windows has. If a company had to make their own proprietary software for, say, manufacturing, it'd be hell to find someone with the kind of experience to do that on a Mac.
- goat77, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I think speak for everyone when I say "Shut the ***** up".
- Turki, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Virtualization is a buzzword. Don't expect too much of it, as it may be more of a burden.
- aeproberts, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"Security vulnerabilities come free with all versions."
Hilarious and probably true. I am going to reserve judgement until it is actually released and I can play with it for a while. I expect more of the same for Microsoft. An inferior product that will still control 85% or more of the market. Lets not get too excited about a fall from grace quite yet. - ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8You know, I recall people saying the exact same thing about XP...
I don't think it'll matter. Microsoft will make a buck off XP, whether is Direct X10 for the gamers or other newer features that they simply won't give to XP, or what not. In the end many of the new computers will come with Vista and the debut price of these new computers is the same as when XP debuted anyway. As noted before, even Windows ME sold.
Although its a nice article, its really just wishful thinking. Much like Microsoft can do little to overtake Apple in the MP3 Player business, Apple and other operating systems will likely have little to take over Microsoft in the Consumer OS business. History in business shows that the entire market must change before anyone else has a chance to become industry leader. Sony Walkman's fell to the Apple Ipod, and Microsoft OS will eventually fall, but not yet, the OS business simply hasn't fundamentally changed. - goat77, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Excuse me, but what was your opinion exactly? "Death to windows"? And you supported it how? By spamming simplistic and idiotic fanboy comments?
- bitkari, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9The Observer is not a tabloid. It's the Sunday publication of The Guardian, which is certainly broadsheet in editorial content.
And if you're being picky, the size of both publications is "Berliner". - Hellman109, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Vista doesnt have seperate media for each version.
You get ONE disk no matter what version you purchased, you choose what version you purchased part way through and put in your CD Key.
One advantage is that if you want to go from a 'home' version to a 'pro' version its just a matter of buying it and throwing in the DVD.
Oh, and one disk is a GODSEND for me working in IT. Its such a pain to find an XP Pro OEM CD when needed. Oh wait thats my XP Pro FPP CD, damn that wont work. - ArchAngel21x, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8This sounds more like a wet dream picked from a blogger of a Linux fanatic than professional journalism.
- Splitt3rxx, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12mac fanboy BS, reported as innacurate.
- ajifans, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7On what basis is it a tabloid?
Are you even familiar with the UK newspapers?
If the Observer on Sunday is a tabloid then that means that pretty much every paper in the UK is a tabloid with maybe the exception of the Financial Times. - r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11"Yeah, I like how "Security vulnerabilities come free with all versions" is just snuck in there. I love it when writers just make stuff up."
What do you know that we don't?
Are you saying there will be absolutely NO vulnerabilities? Give us a break. There will be plenty, especially if the "re-written from scratch network stack" is anything to go by. - Programous, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Miss-information like this makes me feel bad for humanity.
- Brahma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4There was a very interesting article once posted by Joel on Joelonsoftware. He had likened Microsoft to his grandmother (unfortunately i am not able to find the link to the original article). Over the years his grandmother had accumulated lots of habits before going out (take the keys, switch off the stove, close the windows, feed the fish etc.). It had come to such a stage that she would take ages to come out of the house. Similarly Microsoft is stuck with backwards compatibility. Forget about OS; even a minor upgrade takes so long.
Sooner or later they have to come out of this. Apple took this bold decision a long time ago. It's time Microsoft follows suit if they want to build a real good OS. -
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