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- richgustavson, on 09/09/2008, -7/+200Maybe they just like saving a ton of money on their car insurance.
- Robzzz, on 09/09/2008, -2/+121Very informative article, came at a good time as there has been a recent torrent of google fanboys "omg fx3 doesn't use WebKit, fail", "Gecko is old and redundant, use WebKit", seriously there has been such stupid comments in the threads about fx3.1, though they probably never heard about WebKit before Chrome came out....
I love Firefox for the great depth and range of extensions and how highly customizable it is, if that is due in some part to Gecko then I hope they stick with it and continue to improve it. - webresources, on 09/09/2008, -7/+96WebKit has great features & a vision. Specially with the SVG. But for me, Gecko works more stable.
- Zippo, on 09/09/2008, -2/+88Hey, it could be worse... Firefox could be using Trident.
- JasonCox, on 09/09/2008, -2/+66Popularity? Just because Google picked up WebKit for Chrome doesn't mean it's magically become popular. Gecko still commands a huge market share compared to tiny sliver held by WebKit.
- kuehlschrank, on 09/09/2008, -0/+59Extremely hard if you want to maintain extension compatibility. As the article says, Gecko is more than a rendering engine. It provides a whole user interface description framework.
- ButterLoyalist, on 09/09/2008, -6/+58AdBlock plus rocks! I couldn't imagine living without it, especially with the Element Hiding Helper. No more annoying ads and no more text ads / Google adwords for me!
This is why I will always be using Firefox!
Long live Firefox! - shanedj, on 09/09/2008, -5/+46Check your ubuntu, Firefox 3 runs amazingly for me! Still waiting for Chrome to shine yet tho.
- Fabbyfubz, on 09/09/2008, -6/+47I just saved a bunch of money on my web browser by switching to Gecko
- FredFredrickson, on 09/09/2008, -0/+35Oh sure - because using two browsers at once to do specific tasks is what everyone wants to do.
- ninetimes, on 09/09/2008, -0/+31What some people tend to forget is that a software monoculture is a bad idea. It's bad for security and it's bad for innovation. We don't need everyone to be using the same software, but rather we want most of our software to support the same standards.
So long as both Webkit and Gecko are adopting new standards and rendering standard HTML/CSS properly, there is no reason not to have both. We all get to choose what we want to use, and we can all visit the same websites. Everyone using the same browser, on the other hand, is *bad*. It means there's no competition and any given security bug will affect *all* browsers everywhere. - Robzzz, on 09/09/2008, -2/+31There is a Firefox extension "View in Google Chrome", which adds a rightclick option and toolbar button to view the current page in Chrome... quite handy as I like to use Chrome for Gmail, Calender, etc.
http://www.labnol.org/internet/open-firefox-websit ... - jeevesatvic, on 09/09/2008, -1/+29For those not in the US:
http://www.geico.com/ - arjie, on 09/09/2008, -2/+29Noctem: Chrome is a webkit based Firefox? Are you out of your mind?
- Zenham, on 09/09/2008, -3/+26"...some technology enthusiasts are beginning to wonder if the days are numbered for Mozilla's Gecko rendering engine."
Some? Really? Which ones? I've never heard that myself.
I'm guessing it was a couple of Mac fans on the Ars technica editorial board. Subjective journalism requires points of reference and fact in order to be taken seriously, Ars. Otherwise, as some have said, you're nothing but useless speculation. - ArthurSucks, on 09/09/2008, -1/+24Gecko and WebKit ain't got nothing on my Lynx Browser!
- Otto, on 09/09/2008, -1/+20The fact that I have to run an external piece of software as a freakin' proxy to block ads pretty much kills Chrome for me. What is this, 1998?
No thanks. A browser that does not block ads or even allow for ad blocking plugins is a failure. - netneutrality, on 09/09/2008, -0/+18If you read the second page they answer that question: it would be very hard, and not worth it.
- Andy.D, on 09/09/2008, -2/+19What would be sweet would be the ability to chose between which renderer is used on specific sites.
- renegadeafk, on 09/09/2008, -1/+16Jesus did you even RTFA? Gecko is MUCH more than a rendering engine in firefox, it also draws the UI and does pretty much everything. To replace gecko in firefox you would have to dump all extension compatibility and basically redesign firefox completely which would be an utter waste of time because gecko is a good engine that is worse than webkit in some areas and better in others and it is constantly being improved.
You just proved the original comment correct. Fail. - whiledo, on 03/25/2009, -3/+17Furthermore, Chrome is under the BSD license. That actually has FEWER restrictions than GPL or MPL. It's actually closer to public domain than almost any other major license.
The more I read your (n0odles) post, the more I'm convinced you're trolling. - souravondigg, on 09/09/2008, -1/+15Google *owns* Adsense. So we can definitely expect a 'MoreAds Plus' for Chrome.
- dalittle, on 09/09/2008, -1/+14This reminds me of KDE and Gnome flame wars. Nothing wrong with both being out there, both serve a purpose and work well. I chalk this article up to a webkit fanboy.
- rchargel, on 09/09/2008, -0/+13I'm sorry but your comment makes no sense. How WHO just became popular? Was that a statement or a question? I'm not a grammar Nazi, but you really should try to use complete thoughts, if not complete sentences.
- Zippo, on 09/09/2008, -7/+19Y'know... since Gecko, Webkit, and Firefox are all open source... how hard would it be for someone to make a webkit-based Firefox?
- theviceroy, on 09/09/2008, -0/+11and there's a similar Firefox extension for viewing pages in IE.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/35 - GhandicapXRS, on 09/09/2008, -2/+13It is rather finicky. I installed Ubuntu on two boxes.
One is brand new and with decent performance specs. FF3 would't load *****.
The next box I installed on, a Pentitum 3 633mhz, 256mb ram, old as ***** 12gb HD and even ***** motherboard... and FF3 is super fast - jokerfest, on 09/09/2008, -4/+15"omg fx3 doesn't use WebKit, fail" - LOL
- drinian, on 09/09/2008, -0/+11"We follow WebKit as closely as anyone in the world, and we cast as critical an eye towards our technology stack as anyone in the world," he told us. "But a brain transplant is neither practical nor likely to be useful."
That's why. - thebrokenlight, on 09/09/2008, -0/+11The article addresses the drawbacks of switching rendering engines - specifically, that it is much more complicated than one would assume. The extensions framework would have to be entirely rewritten for WebKit, and without XUL the UI of Firefox, Thunderbird, Songbird, and other apps would need to be completely redone. Hacking WebKit to work with Firefox would not just be difficult, but detrimental to WebKit itself.
I can't explain it as well as Mike Shaver, so definitely read page 2 of the article.
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/mozilla-com ... - Jektal, on 09/09/2008, -2/+12I'd like to see that pass an acid test
- mrbojangles9211, on 09/09/2008, -1/+10I would have Firefox's babies.
- kuehlschrank, on 09/09/2008, -1/+10If you're feeling lucky: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-i ...
- GothAlice, on 09/09/2008, -2/+11Competition is a very, very good thing. I, for one, highly appreciate the variety of engines: Trident (IE), Gecko (FF), WebKit (K/Safari/GC), and Presto (Opera). All work well, or, at least, with the -latest- versions, work well. (Here's looking at you, Trident.)
- maus56, on 09/09/2008, -0/+8Somewhere a caveman is weeping.
- dalittle, on 09/09/2008, -1/+9Does that work with the apple updater that keeps trying to load safari on my computer even though I tell it no over and over?
- mickstephenson, on 09/09/2008, -0/+8You don't have much choice atm, Midori and Epiphany-webkit aren't usable atm, and I can't see midori ever becoming usable, and Epiphany certainly wont be ready until the end of the year or later, and I certainly won't be using chrome when it comes out firefox isn't gtk enough for my liking which is why I use epiphany-gecko, so chrome will likely make me want to throw up.
- Alaskan57, on 09/09/2008, -1/+8You're apparently not a web developer... coding for all those browsers sucks... (Here's looking at you, Trident!)
- beepsy, on 09/09/2008, -0/+7That almost works, unless you need to support IE6. At that point good luck.
- Authustian, on 09/09/2008, -0/+7It's what I want to do, but i'm a bit crazy.
- mrmacky, on 09/09/2008, -0/+7Because if you don't have competitions, and therefore no incentive, we'll just be stuck with another IE fiasco.
IE was only great until competing engines proved how non compliant it was. - kraetos, on 09/09/2008, -3/+10Because it would be far too costly to switch to WebKit.
- trogdor282, on 09/09/2008, -1/+8Firefox 3.1 alpha 2 (new js engine) is HOLY CRAP FAST on my ubuntu.
- drgmdp, on 09/09/2008, -0/+6you sound as if you've ever written code.
well, not really. - longbow486, on 09/09/2008, -0/+6what would be nice is if they added chrome into IEtab
- lfrankow, on 09/09/2008, -15/+20Firefox for social media, Chrome for Gmail and calendar. No need to make one browser to rule them all.
- rchargel, on 09/09/2008, -2/+7Ubuntu does something very weird in terms of internet performance. I noticed that my download speeds on Ubuntu 7.10 and 8.04 were extremely slow. It also took me forever to connect to my servers over ssh (where I wasn't having this problem using PuTTY on Win XP). I found this thread, and it might help you.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=251509 - iritegood, on 09/09/2008, -1/+6A real web developer would just make their code standards-compliant. Fixing browser-specific bugs is much less important. If you are having that many problems with different browsers, you're probably doing something wrong.
- init100, on 09/09/2008, -0/+5"Obviously it uses some things from Mozilla and Gecko"
IIRC, even Internet Explorer identifies itself as Mozilla. And what part of "like Gecko" did you not understand? - Shloppy, on 09/09/2008, -1/+6Or I could just let Adblock do it for me with no extra work on my part.
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