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- Sanitarium, on 10/12/2007, -10/+247@quomen
That means using IE. Are you out of your mind? - borninda818, on 10/12/2007, -6/+152yeah but this is for them windows users...think of the first paragraph and the second paragraph as two different topics.
- stylerm, on 10/12/2007, -11/+128I agree with quomen. I would want my computer to come with as little preinstalled software as possible. Even though I would then download firefox myself.
It should be vote for dell to remove all the extra trial software they already install. - Cinin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+86Not sure, but skip the blog spam. Here is the real link.
http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/62245, - oskite, on 10/12/2007, -2/+85Registering required? Well hell with that.
- retral, on 10/12/2007, -11/+73Woo, more blogspam!
- IvanB, on 10/12/2007, -4/+61Well, if you didn't care, why did you submit your blog and not the link itself instead?
- kitwaites, on 10/12/2007, -6/+55@quomen
That's not the point. My Mum doesn't know what Firefox is or that it's any different to IE - I installed it, told her it was safer and faster and she's happy. The average user will be happy using IE unless they're given an informed choice because they don't know any better.
If I bought a car I'd expect it to have the best safety equipment - I wouldn't expect to have to go and find my own airbags etc and install them myself. It should be the same for browsers, although I think a screen offering a information and a choice of what to install would be better than installing Firefox by default - even if the dialogue had something like "Dell recommends Mozilla Firefox" at the top. - tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -24/+511) There's not much wrong with IE7 to be honest, is it really such a bad default choice?
2) Why Firefox? Why not Opera or one of the other browsers? Why not take this to its logical conclusion and install everything?
(It'd be funny to have firefox as the IE homepage though ;) ) - scotticus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26Install whatever the ***** you want... I'm going to do a clean install anyway.
- Hazardc, on 10/12/2007, -12/+30Ya just want i want, another piece of pre-installed software forced upon me
even though i love firefox and all, ill pass, and vote for them shipping me a PC with nothing except the OS.
///This comment was posted on a dell 700m running firefox 2.0.0.3 - Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20Your life is SO interesting......yet you clearly spend hours posting some of the most idiotic comments I've ever read on Digg.
- mymate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14as much as i love ff - i have a bad feeling that a user who has never heard of ff before will just think its another one of those crappy peices of software that come preinstalled on their system - ff is doing just fine growing as it is now - doesnt need to be preinstalled on dells - go on digg me down
- bieber, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Oh, man. I'm resisting the urge to block you just because of your ava...
- 35263526, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20Well, hell, why not Opera? Or Mosaic?
I love Firefox but 1) OEM machines should have as little pre-installed as possible, and 2) There are quite a few good browsers out there, each with their own merits, and forcing Firefox on users is just as bad as doing the same for IE. - spinthread, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17EH. I'd rather digg this up than register.
- D4r7h3v1l, on 10/12/2007, -10/+20It's.a.*****.internet.browser
/firefox user since .7beta - ukcz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/62245
- kahrn, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11First of all, I agree with including firefox but only under one condition - the user is given a prompt when they first boot, which they can choose which browser to set as the default browser.
That said, a few flaws persist. I am going to be dugg down for speaking the truth - something which none of you want to hear, and something which others have tried to explain in the past but have been censored by masses of firefox fanboys.
What are these flaws? Well, for one, the mozilla foundation does not have a clue what they are doing. Firefox was designed to be a lightweight, alternative to IE which would save on the large IE download, and would use less resources, all while _being able to_ provide more functionality through the use of extensions. While this has been happening so far, it is now failing. Firefox uses way more memory than Opera or IE or almost any other browser, _including_ the original Mozilla Suite - the application which you all moaned at for being bloaty originally.
With the release of firefox 3, the filesize will shoot up. I have heard (but cannot provide proof - maybe you can) that the filesize will exceed the filesize of IE. The very reason that the first firefox users switched to firefox is now being effectively contradicted.
another flaw, and the biggest hurdle in Firefox development is the failure to follow the original tasks that were proposed. What happened to the idea of a barebones browser which the user defined? That would run on almost any computer system - almost regardless of platform or hardware? Thats the whole point of extensions people - to keep bloat away from the base browser. So that you can run it from anything, like a pentium I class system with 32MB RAM all the way to the latest Pentium IIII class system.
Oh, and if you're going to reply with "OMG I AM A RETARD AND I SUCK... NOBODY USES COMPUTERZ WITH THAT SPECZ ANYMOR" then please read through the ***** facts. The majority of the developing world and a large part of the western world still runs pentium II class systems because THEY DO THE JOB AND THEY DO IT WELL. Not only that, but we are not just limited to desktop/workstation here. Think small form factor, embedded, etc.. If the user can run Firefox on there new Dell system, but not on there work machine or alternative system, or whatever else they use on the side - then they'll probably end up falling back to Opera/IE/Whateverworks, because firefox will simply not be a viable option.
You first have to ask for - bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7oblig:
http://xkcd.net/c198.html - digitalarcanum, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Those who actually know what the hell firefox is will go ahead and download on their own anyhow.. there's really nothing wrong with IE7 except for the lack of extensions/themes... other than that, it's an acceptable browser. Also let's not forget that firefox is a memory whore. right now with two tabs open, doing nothing FF is using somewhere around the area of 88mb doing NOTHING. IE uses 10-20MB less. not to mention by default when it's minimized is memory footprint is nigh nonexistant.
I'm not saying firefox is bad, or anything but it's not for everyone.. Let's not forget that dell machines are, for the most part, budget machines. Most people don't get/install more memory than what's already installed in a system. - moogle516, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12FireFox is horrible compared to Opera, also why the hell does it take 10 seconds to save an image in firefox I've always had that problem everytime I use firefox *excepts to get buried*
- kahrn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I think I forgot to mention security. People do not switch to firefox based solely on security like many people would like to have you believe - Firefox is NOT the most secure browser, and NOBODY is stupid enough to switch to firefox based on the security aspect alone. If it was about solely about security then you'd be using something like Opera or Konquerer. If you don't believe me - read the facts before replying (because I don't wanna have to deal with Fanboys)
- kahrn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6whoops, wrong button.. continued...
Perhaps the largest problem with firefox is the community that surrounds it. When people started using firefox it was because it was a nice barebones like browser that could be expanded. This meant that we would be able to run the same browser on old systems, embedded/lowspec systems and all the latest systems, while saving resources where needed. As the community has grown, many of the people don't realize that. Infact, many of the people are god damn fanboys that don't give a ***** about improving firefox and only care about how many people use it. The community is a mess. Many of the original firefox supporters back before 1.0 have either stopped using firefox, or are still using it but pissed off.
Note that I use firefox myself, but it is getting harder and harder for me to stay with it everyday. The community and the developers need to go back to what made firefox great at the start, and work towards the original goals.
Please do not bother replying unless you have at least one brain cell, which counts out roughly 75% of digg's user base, as most of the original user base has run off to reddit because digg was invaded by dumb *****, so unless you have a decent point to make (which does not include "FIREFOX FTW I AM UBER-FANBOI") Thanks. - Ramble, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6At the moment it may be pretty safe but Opera and Firefox both run in user mode, while not as secure as protected mode it's a lot better than admin mode.
- nizzy1115, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I want less things installed factory!
Seriously, if i want to use firefox, i will download and install it myself. Same goes for AOL, google desktop, symantec, mcaffe, corol photo editing free trial, earth link, music match etc.
geez, at this rate, why dont you just ask for gaim (cough, i mean pigeon), and gimp also? you already got open office... - meez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@Sanitarium
"That means using IE. Are you out of your mind?"
telnet firefox.com 80
Ahh... good old telnet port 80. Beats using IE. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6This would be great, but even if it did happen, if I ever bought a Dell again I'd just format it the moment I got it because of the garbage they include, so even if it had Firefox installed already, I'd still wipe it clean and reinstall it myself, so it's really pointless to some people.
What's the point of having Firefox pre-installed if you're going to have a ton of garbage making your PC slow to start with? - junkyinny, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6i'm all for installing it and giving the user choice.. but. dont set it as default.. most sites still require ie .. cnn videos for 1..
- MrThi3f, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What about Windows Update? Don't you have to run IE to get the downloads (besides of course http://windowsupdate.62nds.com/ ,but how many average users know about that)
- bieber, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6No way this'll happen, I'm afraid. They're doing Ubuntu because it presents some tangible benefit for Dell; they can undercut competitors on price by offering cheaper machines. If they preinstall Firefox, however, it won't give them any competitive edge, and they'll have to deal with users who don't understand that X site isn't working because they're using a minority market-share browser.
It's a nice thought, but doesn't serve corporate interests... - recyclablewaste, on 07/15/2008, -1/+5I thought we were fighting for clean Dell PC's just a few weeks ago. Now we're asking for software that's obtainable in less than 10 patient clicks, what is the matter with you people?!
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4> "It should be vote for dell to remove all the extra trial software they already install."
Uhh... I agree that all that ***** sucks, but that's one of the major ways they keep their prices low. If you vote those off, I don't want to hear any crying about price increases... - stockjones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If I do that why shouldnt I vote to put Opera on there as well. I like Firefox and all, but sometimes the Firefox fanboyism is a bit much.
- DryvBy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Are you kidding me? Why can't you good for nothings do it yourself?
- next, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Would it really be that strange?
Honestly, the majority of malware, spyware, and what not that Windows users put up with is a result of inexperienced users being placed in front of Internet Explorer. Those users are the ones calling Dell's tech support asking why their computer is wonderfully slow.
Firefox would help users cut back on the malware, which in turn, would reduce the number of calls Dell's tech support receives. I have no idea if there would be a noticeable impact or not, but it's worth a shot. - moogle516, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12stop sucking microsofts's dick
- 35263526, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's your download history. I'm not saying this isn't an issue; I really wish the Firefox devs'd fix it (since it kind of makes having a download history pointless if you have to clear it in order to download things), but the longer your Download Manager history is, the longer the frozen pause after starting a download. Clicking clean-up on a daily business is a workaround, at least in my experience.
- ch28kid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I am both a Firefox and Opera user. I wish both of them were install so consumer have more choices instead of just IE itself. Opera is doing pretty well IMO considering how successful their Wii browser become.
- OutOfMyBase16, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@fkr3 - the problem is that people don't know there's a choice.
and you forget that Firefox has extensions. Which are probably better than an already amazing browser.
shut your mouth already. - yourmom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3im in ur comp surfin ur tubez
- iSlayer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It takes less than a minute to install firefox on a machine. People these days are so lazy!
- thesixthdesign, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Microsoft owns Internet Explorer. What's so hard about downloading it from the internet? It's only going to cause controversy. Seriously.
- ChuqAU, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is CNN's problem, not Dell or Mozilla.
- snowyskies, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2In a way, I can see it being good. But I think I'd prefer it as a default favorite in IE to start. And also link to Opera, which is much better in memory usage. My Firefox install keeps spiking up to 300 MB of RAM, so I've mostly switched to opera unless something is acting funky, then I see if it's still funky in Firefox, and if all else fails, like for job applications, I go back to IE7.
Opera has a torrent client built in, has the nifty speed dial function when you start new tabs, and only uses 50~80 MB, where 50 is average.
So why not go with Opera instead?
/fangirling
If Dell were to install Firefox though, they should also throw in Sunbird. Or Lightning (Thunderbird+Sunbird). Then people won't need to buy Office 2007 Home and then shell out yet another 100ish for Outlook. - JohnTheJohnMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@quomen
it's not hard to download it but the point is to make it more easily accessible to someone who wouldn't normally use Firefox. the point is to spread awareness of the program and up the amount of people who use it. - aura, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Firefox skinned to look like IE.
They'll never know. - hollywoodone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ turnlikeawheel
The point is people don't know how much better Firefox is and that is why they have such a small percent of internet users. If it came on there dell machines they would feel safe in using it, realize how much better it is. And then they would shy away from the big blue e. - EruLabs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why not, if they're gonna go as far as to install bloatware and 3rd party apps (be them as awesome as FireFox), then why not make the *perfect* XP?
Build 2600.xpsp_sp2 with FF2, OOo2, Gaim2, Clamwin.9, Windows defender (active scan/protection OFF, weekly scan on), SpyBot S&D (teacup on, weekly scan on), and a cron layer with a weekly defrag setup. and a program to analyze and shut off services not used (not printer spooler if no printer, no wireless zero if no wifi, no fast user switching if single user, no lan DHCP if desktop, etc) as well as tweaking the Memory Management reg tab for that particular computer using CPU-z. Edit: Oh yeah, and UltraMon if it detects 2 monitors. Oh yeah, and can I get the newest nvidia drivers with coolbits installed? I think ill take Outlook express, IE, and Accessories (MSN, messenger, etc) uninstalled please.
Then my job would be done! (oh my gosh the secret is out) - swavalier711, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2pifko87
it is the most essential communication device in the world. It is the crux of importance.
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