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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21Why would I vote for Drupal when Joomla beats it on any measurement you care to mention.
Bigger community
More flexible
Nicer templates
Greater support
Infinite modules... even complete shops
Far superior admin in look and use
Drupal seems OK but very very basic
Vote Joomla... it's freaking awesome! - tshrub, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15Wow.. using Digg to try and ramp up votes for Drupal is pretty lame IMO. Let the product stand on its own, and see where it goes.
If you really wanted to draw attention, then you should of posted about the competition in general, then gearing it mainly towards a single CMS.
http://www.packtpub.com/award - rfinn, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16I voted for Joomla. Turn on Search Engine Friendly URLs. :)
- AcidBath, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11You didn't like Drupal because of an external module? That is like un-installing linux because you didn't like the calculator app.
- wildleaf, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Joomla is OKAY if you don't ever want to extend it. Have you ever tried to add a module to Joomla? Drupal is far more intuitive for coders. Look at IBM's choice to use Drupal ( [http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/ibm/library/i-osource1/index.html?ca=drs-] ) as well as great sites such as The Onion ( [http://www.theonion.com/] ) that decided to use it. Why? Because for people that know how to code, Drupal is better. Period.
Just because there are more themes available doesn't mean it is easier to theme Joomla. It is actually quite a bit more difficult. Drupal is far easier to extend if you are able to. If you want something that is simple and provided exactly the way it is and are unable to create your own modules/themes, then fine - Joomla is a better choice for you. If you are an actual web developer - Use Drupal. - e03179, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Popular and/or amazing drupal-based websites:
www.zimmertwins.com (insane design)
www.theonion.com
www.mtv.co.uk
www.philwickham.com (awesome Flash)
www.twit.tv (Leo!)
www.usmagazine.com (US Weekly)
www.projectopus.com
www.spreadfirefox.com
www.mlgpro.com (just launched) - ariven, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Alisic: "It doesn't have WYSIWYG text formatting. The clients I make sites for have no knowledge of (x)html, so why should Drupal be the backbone for their site then? Weak."
They have a module for that Alisic, http://drupal.org/project/tinymce lets you use the TinyMCE WYSIWYG editor in drupal.. works great. - vvaduva, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I agree - this is not to put down Drupal or anyone else since I haven't used the product. Nonetheless I downloaded both Drupal and Plone because of this thread and I am comparing the two - especially in the open source market, projects should be able to stand on their merits not on digg votes.
- romulasry, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Drupal is a heck of a lot better documented now.
Dug and voted... ;) - WellnessCorps, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9I voted for Drupal and fully support it as the best Content Management System (CMS).
I'm hoping others will vote for Drupal and help it win the $5,000 first place prize.
Regards,
Walt - javaroast, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Or try FCKEditor with Drupal. Works great
http://drupal.org/project/fckeditor - zacamjo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Drupal rocks. I could pontificate on the other popular CMS' but there's no need. Drupal just plain ROCKS.
- kriskrug, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7voted.
- rszrama, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7dugg and voted. Let's go go go.
- spyres, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Plone has stupidly high resource requirements and runs like a pig. I'm a big booster of python powered solutions, but ugh.
- virtualmachine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ BenSlade : Digg is based on pligg
- Matt2k, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Marked article as spam
- phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Obviously you haven't used the latest version the Drupal 4.7 series is the water my friend.
As for blowing, well blow hard. - ihaterobots, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4*sigh* zkarcher re-iterates what i've experienced hundreds of times and heard from fellow custom app developers - to get a really powerful and well-tailored app for your client, roll your own.
i know everyone wants to complain about that, and they argue about cost of development time, etc. and there is certainly merit to that point. but really, writing a CMS isn't that tough. again, as zkarcher states above, a skilled coder can whip out something that does the exact job required, using rails or even good ol' php.
and yes, glorified blogging systems like Movable Type fall into the same category. a developer worth his/her salt can make something that does EXACTLY what they want in roughly the same time it takes to configure a pre-fab package and shoe-horn it to the required task. - clouseau, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Well, a Google search on Drupal extensible returns twice as many hits as Joomla extensible. Methinks you know not Drupal.
- zkarcher, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7I can't vouch for Drupal. I had a project last year where the client wanted their online content to mirror published editions of their newspaper. With the "Editions" plug-in, articles couldn't be assigned to particular Editions, so I had to mod/extend the code. But the code was nearly impenetrable -- mostly undocumented and uncommented.
Perhaps Drupal has improved since then, but here's how the project ended: I tried switching to Rails, and was able to recreate 5 days of work in Drupal in 5 hours, _from scratch_. I haven't looked back. Sorry, Drupal... - clouseau, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Uh, Drupal has had automatic table creation for modules since 4.7. An installer has been available for the CivicSpace distribution of Drupal for a long time, and an installer is already in the next version of Drupal.
- phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You are a stranger to the truth, the Drupal 4.7 series is excellent and easy and I use a module for inline cross platform web editing - perfect WYSIWYG coupled with the seamless AJAX image and file uploading, it fits all my customers needs and learning curves.
Better not to lead your clients astray with eye candy that will not serve them well down the line. - FrankieB078, on 10/12/2007, -10/+12Marked as innacurate because it is not my favorite CMS.
- staydead, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I use Lifreay for work as well, though it isn't for the faint of heart if you really want to start extending it. Very poor documentation .
I also set up a Joomla! site and while I liked the software at first, the more I used it the less I liked it; eventually we gave up on getting the site to look like the template the designer made since half the CSS was either hard coded or used in such a way that it made it impossible to do what we wanted to do.
I am going to try Drupal next, so far I like what I see.
Each of these products has its own strengths and weaknesses, which is why a simple vote isn't that great; you have to find the product that best fits your needs. - FBMGriever, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Joomla got my vote. Ive used both Drupal and Joomla and Joomla's content manager is much better IMO.
- phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Drupal 4.7 is both excellent and a breeze to install, working well right away with many brilliant themes, modules making it very easily customisable.
As it is unquestionably the best CMS for development and customisation. Don't be fooled by eye candy Drupal has real AJAX. With Drupal you are not locked into something gnarly to code for and your web application can easily expand, customised to your needs without a tangle of code for bugs to hide in like some other CMS's out there.
Drupal is very beatiful like a ZEN garden of PHP code if your want to learn really excellent methods for coding with well implemented design patterns powerfully and very easily extendable using drupals hook system.
I always come away from Drupal work with the feeling that I have been working in a really nice well lit enviroment. The expertise and aesthetics of the developers makes it really worth a look.
Cleaner code, less bugs, runs real efficient and tested in large scale real world enviroments. It is far and away the best CMS out there. - phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I use a javascript web editor module for Drupal so my clients get Dreamweaver functionality in the Web browser on any platform for their page updates.
Out of the box Drupal is brilliant and easy to use this myth you are perpetuating of a gnarly developer only interface is from earlier version - the interface design is IMHO clean, intuitive and easy.
Oh and Drupal is secure, very secure - this is important for all users. - tke248, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6I voted for drupal thats what I run on my site that i switch from postnuke
- linuxpenguin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1WordPress isn't a CMS. It's a blogging tool.
- liquilife, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Personally I use Expression Engine, best CMS ever. It costs $100 but you can do absolutely anything with it including managing multiple domains under one install. Puts Drupal and Joomla to shame. Anyways that being said..
Joomla is good for those who lack in web design skill. I'll give Joomla credit for that. The community creates modules that you plug right into your site giving you close to what you want. The templating system is horrible though. Most simple changes are a HUGE pain in the ass and take way longer then it ought to.
Drupal is truly awesome and is a far more powerful system in the end when it comes to flexibility and site design. It is intended for those who have some level of web design skill to help manage a data base driven site, not offer a complete out of the box, ready to launch website. It takes an investment of time to learn how Drupal works but once you feel comfortable in the system the sky is the limit. My vote will go towards Drupal because of this. - sillygwailo, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9I voted for Drupal as well. Disclosure: the only other CMS on the list that I tried was Joomla! which ... has an exclamation mark in its name? Joomla! has a prettier admin interface than Drupal, but uglier URLs. And yes, I am a URL snob!
- jeffgtr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I've installed both Joomla and Drupal, both were very easy to install. I still haven't made up my mind but in researching Drupal seems to have cleaner code. Joomla on the other hand has much better documentation and a larger community of developers building modules and extensions. That may change soon though, I read that IBM has got behind Drupal big time.
- sd12013, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4MOST average people/clients don't code. They want simplicity and WYSIWYG. For that reason you gotta go with Joomla over Drupal. Can't say anything about Xoops or Plone to compare their interfaces to Joomla since I've never seen them in action.
Funny that this started off as push for Drupal but most diggers are saying Joomla is better. - kasted, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3how do i vote for wordpress?
- linuxpenguin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Anyone else notice that most of the people who said they like Joomla! got dug down?
Personally I don't prefer either one, Joomla!'s just what I'm used to and I've had a good experience with it so far. It's real easy once you get the theme out of the way (and FYI there's a tool you can use to build a theme from HTML/XML that can make things nice and easy if you don't know what to do, which is nice). - phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You are incorrect, it has both category heirachies and tagging folksonomies out of the box - and offers many other types of organisation as well - both static and dynamic.
The ajax tag suggest is lovely.
Really try Drupal 4.7, the development is getting pretty exponential but remains well thought out. - wilwells, on 10/12/2007, -9/+9Another vote for Joomla!
- nanomaton, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Same problem here.. I used it for a project last year and found the documentation absolutely horrible, both for Drupal itself AND any of the modules I had to use. That said, I haven't used any of the other options so I won't be voting.
- mntalkase, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7Drupal is a waste of time IMO.
Drupal's content management and publishing can not compare to Mambo and Joombla. The whole point of a solid CMS is to streamline content management for those who can't be bothered by the html or URL formatting. Drupal, while it's back-end code is clean, it doesn't organize your entries (news, stories, blog posts) as meaningful as Joombla or Mambo might.
Dugg down, Voted for Joombla. - syawillim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Drupal is by far more appealing as a developer, but if you are happy to use someone elses theme and have your site look th esame as everyone elses go with Joomla.
If you are willing to make the effort you will find Drupal to be much more rewarding. - MrBungl3, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Never tried Drupal.. maybe i should. I'm currently using Mambo, which i find great.
- tronian, on 03/09/2008, -0/+0I love using drupal.
http://www.00info.info/ - liquilife, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@HitLines: I took a peek at Django and it looks very nice. It seems to use a similair model to EE. I may just have to download it and give it a whirl. Thanks for the headsup!
- phreakout, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2It seems there is universal agreement that drupal is the CMS that developers choose.
Other CMS seem to believe their interface is better or more eye candy out of the box (untrue IMHO Drupal 4.7 is very easy/ ajaxy WYSIWYG out of the box).
Would you rather have a CMS that has a attracts top zen like developers or know nothing candy kids. Which will give you the best return over time? Which will improve fastest? Which will provide the best security?
Anyway as it all Open Source the best framework can easily implement such design improvements as are deemed worthy - so we all learn from each other and in the end are healthier from competition. - OropheR, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I do not know about Joomla, but Drupal is fine with me, and i do not know anything about mysql and php. Drupal handbook is good and after one week of effort, I installed Drupal. Now if i had to do it again, i would do it in 10 minutes (still dont know anything about php..etc.)
Its true there is a lot to read before getting started, but once started the drupal community is here to help you. See this: thats me installing Drupal...lol
http://drupal.org/node/82392
So far i am happy with Drupal also my site is dead simple, no exra themes or modules installed, but at the same time, I am happy with learning. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+10I'll vote whatever I please thankyouverymuch. My vote went to Jooma!/Mambo.
http://www.packtpub.com/article/final_five_joomla - spurton, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Everytime I see that name it reminds me of http://www.rupaul.com/, I think he is one of the lead developers.
- FrankieB078, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I buried this article based solely on Nucleus. I swear by it!
- pupppet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Drupal is fine for Blog postings, but not great as a true CMS. I don't even think it allows for sorting your content into a hierarchy, and if it does, the process sure isn't transparent.
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