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- bluetrevian, on 10/12/2007, -4/+93Hooray! Now I can download pron... I mean... Ubuntu releases even faster!
- Topher06, on 10/12/2007, -5/+50Hmm, and how long do you think that Vista will have a market share of 1%, considering that over 30 million PC's will be shipped in 2007 with Vista pre-installed. That is just from Dell alone.
Ha ha ha ROTFLAY - neoform, on 10/12/2007, -6/+31Hot *****, with that extra 10% i'll totally notice it and stuff.
- longboarder543, on 10/12/2007, -20/+41So torrents get a 10% boost, but in exchange we are susceptible again to god-knows how many fresh gaping security exploits. Sounds worth it to me.
- HoboMaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19They really expect virgins to speed things up? Are you kidding me? Virgins always want to "take things slow" and "not hurry things too much." Hardly what I would want for my networking.
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19No, the old stack does not adequately support newer technologies like IPv6 and internet security protocols that can be re-written right into the stack.
Going thru the code line by line is not the same as understanding the code function by function. And what they needed to do is rewrite those functions with a better focus on
secure and well managed code from the outset.
Wheels have been re-invented since the dawn of man, the basic shape (function) remains the same, but the materials, suspension, tread and traction, and how they
handle various road conditions have all changed as newer wheels have been developed. - NinjaBoy, on 10/12/2007, -11/+28Heh, beavis they said virgin
- arkitect, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Not if they want to enjoy the volume pricing discount they get from Microsoft. Vista is going to supercede XP whether people want it too or not.
- NinjaBoy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Im going to so install vista just to start sharing some vista ISO's.
- wurzelgummage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14If it forced people to share instead of leeching, it would be more useful.
- lorensingley, on 10/12/2007, -16/+29*ghasp*
longboarder543: Are you saying that Microsoft overlooks security holes in it's new software releases?! Blasphemy!
/scarcasm - neoform, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Any bets Dell's gonna have an option to stick with XP and a lot of people will.. ?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14he measured throughput not latency, so the jury is still out.
- HoboMaster, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15How does Microsoft getting their devs to stand on each other speed up my networking?
- ashchristopher, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13@Lane
You my friend, are a fool! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13that's called QOS, it can be disabled, reserving 10% is a GOOD thing.
- Duston, on 10/12/2007, -1/+910% of your 100 MB Network card isn't going to slow down your Torrents.
- socokoolaid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8That concept worked so well with P2P's....people downloaded tons of pr0n from me...and I got zip back.... :-\
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Any idea on how this compares to Linux?
- socokoolaid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Not to mention....Updates on top of patches on top of updates...... Some times you just gotta start all over.
- longboarder543, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@ JeffH
If you'd grow up and learn about these things, you'd realise that this is a real concern with a new, completely rewritten stack. I hope that the stack is secure, but I just don't see how that can be the case. Look at MS's history. C'mon. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7How do you steal BSD code when they give it to you to use. Please enlighten us.
- VSKBadCRC, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Now I can pirate the next iteration of Windows release even faster.
- radu79, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It depends on what they actually did.
For example, using the *BSD equivalent of Device Polling can drastically reduce the CPU usage associated with the heavy networking. For example see http://eternal-lands.blogspot.com/2006/10/device-polling-on-freebsd_03.html (yes, my blog).
While the original Windows network stack was based on the BSD one, that was ages ago, when that stack was not as optimized as it is today. - zacmccormick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Using that logic, where does that leave Unix and its 100 million derivatives, I suppose they are all 30 year old technology? They are all under constant development and evolution, which renders your comment nigh on useless.
- socokoolaid, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Ole Steve Gibson mentioned that earlier beta's of Vista brought back the Ping of Death. Some things, you'd think, Microsoft just wouldn't even let it's self get caught with in a beta.
- TheMoken, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11A 10% faster torrent because Vista improved their stack. Maybe over other inferior networking stacks (XP, etc.), but any of the newer BSDs will always run rings around MS.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5No obviously it cannot improve your maximum speed. Bit Torrent is complex -- it's a heavy load on your TCP/IP stack. Your computer has to deal with many packets coming from different IP addresses at the same time while also dealing with normal network traffic on top of that. Improvements to the packet scheduler, ARP cache and firewall filtering rules could easily account for a 10% improvement in torrent speed.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Many don't know but, Microsoft has developed a high performance pipeline mechanism to speed transfer downloads, at least to a 8% more than the traditional berkeley sockets mechanism. This scheme of Microsoft puts a polling, or selecting mechanism with a Proactor Pattern using multithreading to put your CPU to do just downloads 80% more than today. Many Linux developers don't know nothing about the proactor pattern in Bit Torrent, or not even they know how to implement it in C, but I tell you that Microsoft's engineers have improved this, so you will see a difference in Windows Vista compared to Bit Torrent Clients written in Linux.
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Favorably, but you might have to specify which distro and setup you are comparing against. "
No, you just need to specify the version of Linux you want to compare it against (2.6.x, 2.4.x, 2.2.x, etc). The IP stack is located in the kernel (it's basically just a generalized wrapper around the device driver's native contexts). The end result being that the Linux TCP/IP stack is incredibly low latency, as essentially it's all running in hardware (for most cards anyways; some cards have partial software MAC implementations, which are going to be slower).
My guess is that the Vista stack basically takes this same approach with Windows, simply removing the layers of indirection between the network driver and the kernel contexts. The good news is that it's definitely faster. The bad news is that network stacks like that of Linux, *BSDs, etc. have had 10 years or more of hardening, which will make the significantly less vulnerable to attack than the new Vista stack, which (at a theoretical maximum) has only had six years (or more likely, much less than six years) of maturity. The fact that it's closed also doesn't help matters very much. - foreplay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I watched a video on http://channel9.msdn.com the other day by the fellas who basically keep hotmail up and running. They made claims that on their super fast pipe between data centers they where coming up with massive problems with the current stack. It was having problems with the amount of data they were sending and was topping out at 10 megs a second if i can rememeber corretly. To fix the problem they switched to this new stack which was when vista was still in its alpha stage.
I still cant see vista's new stack affecting torrent download speeds much. The article is seriously lacking an details which makes it worthless.
http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=136904 - KissTheRing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Is it possible that Vista users with this speed boost could as a result improve torrent speeds for XP, Linux and OS X users?
- CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8He confused Vista with Mac OS.
- socokoolaid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4He said updates....maybe he wasn't realy referring to the Qos thing....
The XP automatic updates are pretty demmanding. Automatic updates are the first thing I shut off on any application I install. I'll control updates and bandwidth thank you.... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3xp support was supposed to end this december..
now they have reschedualed it to 24 months after vista comes out
their market share will grow rapidly. - apeatling, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Sure, after it slows your computer down by 20%.
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Favorably, but you might have to specify which distro and setup you are comparing against.
- dzee, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6It's not surprising or fantastic that microsoft have optimised on a decade old system.
- ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4XP does NOT "reserve" 10% of your bandwidth for anything. Stop getting all your information from anti-MS trolls.
XP will use UP TO 10% of your bandwidth to download updates when your computer is IDLE.
It has absolutely no affect on you downloading your latest anime porn wallpapers. Relax. - infinite9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4As a network programmer, I seriously doubt you can get a 10% performance increase just by optimizing the stack. They would have to have sleeps in the code or something else stupid, like a packet for each byte or something. The bottlenecks are in the pipe from your isp, not the code executing on your machine. And considering that microsoft originally stole their tcp/ip stack from bsd, I find this really hard to believe.
- adb22791, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4And everybody said Vista was going to overload DNS servers everywhere with all its ipv4 and ipv6 requests... see how wrong you all were!
- dzee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2In comparison to those other open sourced platforms, being so broad and open about achieving a 10% increase in torrenting without being so open about the security flaws, testing and issues raised is exactly why I feel unsure about vista and I'm not surprised or fascinated because It's frustrating that MS cannot utilize BSD or the free web as Google does for research and development (labs, wikipedia, Linux) in this day and age they then hold the cards close to their chest.
I agree my comment was pointless. - *Ica*, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Could this be one of the reasons FTP servers dont run in Vista? I've tried 3 different programs and they just dont work. I've tried with the Vista firewall off too.
- socokoolaid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Next the MPAA will be suing Microsoft....for enabling piraters :-P
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista#Networking
Some more information about what is being to improve performance. - angulion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2But will it still have the 10 simultainious TCP connection limit that XP-SP2 added.. That's a killer.
- Soulhuntre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Don't download stuff you don't have a license to (pirate) and you're fine.
- fuckthepolice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1rewritten? oh dear! 1000% easier to hack!! hehehe
- psilanthropist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1wierd how i get around 90% faster downloads (torrents that is) on my windows xp box (with utorrent) than on my ubuntu dapper box (with utorrent+wine or ktorrent).
so once i get vista this will prolly go a long way in helping me suck TPB dry. -
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