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- robmcm, on 11/13/2007, -8/+117So it's firefox but they have hidden the navigation bar? Clever.........
- thornnd, on 10/31/2007, -8/+106This is not a competitor to Silverlight.
- dinostabOMG, on 10/30/2007, -10/+75I guess I don't really get why this would be valuable. If I want access to the facebook on my desktop, why don't I just make a Firefox shortcut?
- GMorgan, on 10/30/2007, -6/+66One is an open platform so fits in with the whole point of the web. The others are closed formats which can only be reimplemented after jumping through legal hoops. Clearly the first is of more value to everyone except Adobe and MS.
- richIsBored, on 10/28/2007, -3/+47If you digg this, press F11.
- idiotwithastick, on 10/28/2007, -3/+43Those are the worst screenshots I have ever seen.
- emehrkay, on 10/30/2007, -4/+37He is clearly scared of this project as it will aim to replace AIR.
I love Flash for what it does, but I hate the fact that it is proprietary in nature and I feel the same way about AIR, Silverlight, etc. And I am certain that I am not the only person who feels this way. - grumpyrain, on 10/28/2007, -2/+29whoever buried you has no understanding about what silverlight is.
- richardiscool, on 10/30/2007, -0/+23This competes with Silverlight how?
- fkr3, on 10/30/2007, -19/+41I don't see why it's valuable because it's essentially AIR, except Adobe have a decade's experience and a year's headstart with AIR.
The most interesting part is that Mike Chambers (Macromedia / Adobe guy of some note) himself is commenting, and his post about it:
http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2007/10/25/mozill ...
"So, I guess the thing I found odd was Mozilla appears to be building something very similar to Adobe AIR (which is fine and cool), but somehow it is inherently good when Mozilla does it, and inherently evil when Adobe does it." - hexydes, on 10/28/2007, -3/+23Dear Mike,
Please tell Adobe to create an x64 version of Flash Player for Linux so that I can view Flash content properly, without 32-bit workarounds. At that point, I will cease referring to you as "evil" (for now).
Kind regards,
Everyone using Ubuntu 64-bit - greebowarrior, on 10/26/2007, -0/+16there are mac and linux binaries too...
http://wiki.mozilla.org/WebRunner#Latest_version - tempusrob, on 10/28/2007, -0/+16You might be right about Facebook, but there are plenty of other uses. I'm developing an AIR application at work for our field service technicians. Right now they submit job logs via an internally website ... AIR allows it to be brought offline so they can complete the job log while they're still with the customer, even in situations where 'net access isn't available (or allowed, depending on the customer).
- Stonekeeper, on 10/27/2007, -2/+17I'm guessing people have missed what's really going on here. Imagine you're coding a web application. A lot of time is spent getting your app configured to work in all manner of browsers. Well, forget that, just bundle this to the end user. It makes it easy to _not_ have it compatible with IE.
- nakani, on 10/27/2007, -1/+15We're talking about legitimacy with developers, not just users, here ;)
- duniyadnd, on 10/26/2007, -0/+11The screenshots are fine, but the way they put them in the template sucks. You'll need to view the images separately to get a better idea.
- AlexFerny, on 10/27/2007, -1/+12the open source one
- fkr3, on 10/26/2007, -4/+15Ummm....... enjoy running Meebo offline.
lol. - linkinpark342, on 10/28/2007, -2/+13fkr3, this just makes it important for us to get it right the first time with the open platform...
- Bulk70, on 10/26/2007, -0/+10It is when its a prototype. They clearly have plans to relase it for the mac (they mention expose, and talk about Prism.app), and likley linux too.
- XIUgraag, on 10/28/2007, -0/+10Exactly, because you can even use Silverlight applications with Prism...
- NJank, on 10/30/2007, -7/+17"I don't see why it's valuable because it's essentially AIR..."
Yeah, competing technologies are always a waste of time. We hate choices in a competitive marketplace.
By the way, anyone want to take a minute to actually explain what these things do? If I don't know what AIR is, this whole conversation becomes meaningless. - hexydes, on 10/27/2007, -1/+10Dear NinjaBoy,
I'm not the one trying to create a ubiquitous platform for the Web. If they don't properly support their product on the platform I am using, I will simply stop using their content, and encourage everyone I know to do the same.
You think that doesn't work? Why don't you go ask Microsoft how Internet Explorer's market share has faired in the last year or two.
Kind regards,
People that understand what's going on - tempusrob, on 10/28/2007, -0/+8Yep, the technicians have laptops. And it could certainly be an executable but unfortunately I don't have enough experience with "real" programming to make that happen. Instead, I take the existing web stuff (which also means the UI is 99% done from the start) and tweak it to fit within the AIR framework.
- weeFred, on 10/27/2007, -1/+9Without open standards there would be no web or internet. There would just be lots of little networks all running their own closed standard protocols. It's open standards that allow everybody to connect their system to the same network. If a company like MS gets everybody to adopt their standard then they can do whatever they want with their standard e.g. force people to update/change, charge for use.
- sirdaz, on 10/26/2007, -1/+8Fool. It's not a plugin for a browser, its just another feature to the Firefox browser.
Prism is NOT a competitor to Air or Silverlight. It only allows shortcuts to websites, run inside a smaller, separate window.
The title is VERY misleading and I can see it damaging Prism before it even gets rolling, purely because the fools on Digg that don't understand this. - comrade693, on 10/28/2007, -2/+9Not quite. It's in a separate process, so if it or your browser crashes, it doesn't take the other with it.
As it is, Firefox is built of off the mozilla platform, which is what Prisim is built off of, but then we are just arguing about semantics... - GMorgan, on 10/26/2007, -1/+8Open platforms have nothing to do with implementations. They are to do with what rights a person has to reimplement the platform. Mozilla could only ever make a Windows implementation and provided I could obtain and reimplement the spec with no legal repercussions (maybe paying a fee for the standards doc) then it is an open platform.
If they really want to push this, put it before the ISO. That would set the cat among the pigeons. - Ssullivan, on 10/28/2007, -4/+11Macs *ARE* "PC's" you moron... is the Mac not a "Personal Computer?"
- hungarianhc, on 10/28/2007, -0/+7Right and now you can put the "Application Name" in your start menu... uh. you mean a hyperlink?
- dinostabOMG, on 10/28/2007, -1/+8NinjaBoy - if you paid for Flash Player, I have a bridge you might be interested in...
- outOfIdeas, on 10/27/2007, -0/+7The Digg effect-
Headline: "Mozilla launches competitor to AIR and Silverlight"
Article: "Unlike Adobe AIR and Microsoft Silverlight..." - MWeather, on 10/28/2007, -1/+8We need AIR and this as much as we need OCaml and F#.
- natecope, on 10/28/2007, -0/+6jeez. Learn to make decent screenshots... At least make them clickable if they're unreadable in their article size. >
- troydoogle7, on 10/26/2007, -0/+6The current generation of web apps are designed around the web browser, this technology is just waiting for the killer app and will be the basis of a new breed of web apps which need access to local storage.
Its a very interesting time to be in., however the problem is which horse should you back??? - GeckoSlayer, on 10/26/2007, -7/+13... And I thought shortcuts were useful, look at this! Wait.. what?! Firefox application shortcuts?!
- ejdmoo, on 10/26/2007, -3/+8Mod parent up.
This is just a new spin on a little thing called "bookmarks," plus some added stuff about how future technologies (canvas3d, etc) will make Mozilla better at harnessing client-side processing power. - GreenAlien, on 10/27/2007, -0/+5Exactly. Most of the people in this thread seem to be reacting to what the submitter rambled on about in the digg title rather than the article itself. Guys, Mozilla havent claimed they've created a new platform so quit putting words in their mouth. This is just a handy extension that some may find handy. They never claimed it was anything more. Read the freaken article and stop being so dramatic about it.
From the article:
"Prism isn’t a new platform, it’s simply the web platform integrated into the desktop experience." - multitude, on 10/28/2007, -1/+6Oh, this makes more sense. Thanks Stonekeeper.
- dkbg, on 10/26/2007, -0/+5Google Gears is simply a browser add-on which enables offline use of web applications inside a web browser which supports the add-on. Prism/Webrunner allows you to use a web application as if it were a normal desktop application by creating a separate instance of the runtime (Firefox/XULRunner) which has nothing to do with your browser and which only shows the web app. Firefox 3 will have offline storage built in without the need for Google Gears and thus Prism will too, but this is only one aspect of what Prism does.
- dinostabOMG, on 10/28/2007, -1/+6Okay, I could see that being good... but is there a reason you couldn't have implemented this application as an executable that phones home? Is it meant to be run from the customer's computers or do the technicians have laptops with them or something? I'm not trying to be contrary, just trying to understand.
- Ancestor, on 10/26/2007, -0/+5What they mean is that they are promoting open standards like CSS, HTML, and JS as a platform for web applications. Therefore, Prism indirectly competes with AIR and Silverlight - it empowers the platform of open standards.
- emehrkay, on 10/27/2007, -0/+5Not at all, I love capitalism. I love how one is able to take open standards and create and sell and profit from it. Flash it great, but not open, AIR (from what I hear) is great too, has some openess to it, but still isnt.
I guess my point is that open community driven standards > closed corporation driven ones.
Dont get me wrong, some of the best advances to those open standards come from these corps - xmlhttprequest, media plugins, etc. But as you see, they take off once they are in the open world. - 2000, on 10/26/2007, -0/+5Don't be so shortsighted!
When they get Google Gears (http://gears.google.com/) running with this, you can always have your docs/mail/etc. whether or not you are online... edit offline (using Prism (XUL)+ Google Gears (DB)) and when you get online... send mail, upload docs, etc. The key is seamless integration (Google Docs!) whether you are online or offline and always having your data (Gmail!) with you regardless of online status.
Prism + Gears = the missing link between offline and online apps.
This is the beginning of some revolutionary technology! - cbovis, on 10/28/2007, -5/+9Buried for inaccuracies, this isn't a competitor to AIR or silverlight.
- zeeneo, on 10/26/2007, -0/+4I've been dreaming of Meebo running with this :)
What will happen when these web apps are 'geared' up for offline access?
Maybe we'll all be running a local httpd gateway soon? - nakani, on 10/26/2007, -1/+5Adobe is too dense to realize that anything but full compatibility on the web completely ruins their product's credibility, especially with developers (yeah, you want them on your side)
- dinostabOMG, on 10/26/2007, -0/+4Ah, okay, understood. Cool.
- dkbg, on 10/26/2007, -0/+4Yeah, that's nothing like this at all...plus that technique is Windows-only.
- GMorgan, on 10/27/2007, -1/+5Check with the guy who invented the web. It's meant to be an open standard. That's why I can implement any of the W3C standards tomorrow.
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